More quantum nonsense. An algorithmic machine such as the brain is a classical system.
Yes, its called being honest. Unlike yourself I am not deluded in my assessment of my science ability and knowledge.Nice of you to leave some leeway for yourself by saying that you only understand “some” physics.
Funny how that "academically incorrect school of thought" is responsible for all the technological advancements of science. How much science research is done by Bible schools or Islamic madrases? None. The most ardent schools of theology have produced the least amount of science. The entire islamic world's contributions to science, year on year in terms of published papers in reputable journals, is less than the output of Harvard. A single university out produces an entire theocratic position. If all of science has its source in the old testament why aren't the most ardent believers producing any science? And why does an increased understanding of science tend to decrease a group's faith? Why does faith in the bible decrease as people learn more science? If your position were valid the opposite would occur, education in science would affirm people's belief in the bible.No I didn’t fail to understand Quantum Mechanics or Thermodynamics, my reasoning’s are what’s called outside of your “academically incorrect school of thought”. Maybe in your little circle of closed off associates they may seem correct, but fail miserably in the full scale and true scheme of things.
Renaming it to suit your agenda doesn't make your agenda more valid.So lets forget the term Quantum Mechanics, lets call it “Consciousness Mechanics“.
To those of us who care whether or not our beliefs are true its a flawed, immoral, self contradictory work of fiction which is contradicted by reality and reflects the world view of a bunch of iron age frauds, hacks and mentally unwell bigots.I marvel at the Bible, it is a quantum manifold of sorts, and to me a flawless masterpiece.
Are you just copying and pasting stuff? You seem to be on auto-pilot, as you spew out things I've already retorted, you ignore the fact I know quantum mechanics and so can see through your BS and you have nothing to justify your position other than bible quotes and dubious interpretations.Yes, you might want to know that in today’s physics there is another branch of quantum physics called “Quantum Tunneling” and this is just not unknowable theory, but fact. Most scientist know that electronics work because of a quantum tunneling effect. In Quantum Tunneling, it is possible for an object the size of an electron to go through any obstacle - and thus if we realize that all things are constructed of atoms, this then becomes possible.
You have had to use hindsight to interpret a passage to mean something science has discovered without the help of religion. That isn't 'openly exposing' the principles of science, its you using hindsight to make the bible say whatever you want. That passage about camels and the eye of a needle has been interpreted to mean 1000 different things to 1000 different people at 1000 different times. And muslims do the same with the Koran, claiming Mohamed knew about relativistic time dilation and worm holes due to some convoluted interpretation of some passage in the Koran. You can do it with any lengthy book. Thus it is not support for your position.Jesus clearly exemplified the teachings of Torah to openly expose and teach the principles between science, religion and G-d.
The fact the total energy of the universe is constant doesn't mean you can't have open systems within it.No, what I’ve done here is OVERTHINK the system, thus realizing that in its totality of energy it is a CLOSED LOOPED system. The real dummy here is YOU!
Yes, its futile because you completely deny reality.Of course you can go on talking in “academic terms” if you like, but it is futile.
Yes, yes, there's a government conspiracy against you.This is where you fail because you cannot think outside the box. Your parameter of thoughts are quarantined by your piers (school of thought). All its done is dumb you down and hinder you, exactly where the government wants you!
I see you don't know what a manifold is or how the count the dimensions of it.I’ve already told you (in previous posts here) that this equation can be found in Genesis 1:1. Aside from it equating to Pi, it also has a six dimensional manifold to it, which is none other than the “Star of David“.
You've already demonstrated you don't know anything about these things, why you continue to just make things up is baffling. Surely you know you're not fooling anyone?IQuantum mechanics is the brainchild of algorithms (mainly fractal in nature). And algorithms are mathematical and contingent to all things that exists in nature.
Circular reasoning. Until you demonstrate a god exists and made the universe you can't claim that all medicines come from god. If god doesn't exist then they don't. And even if the universe was made by a deity that doesn't mean its the deity of the bible. You can substitute in any holy book's name in your argument and its just as valid (ie not at all) and thus your argument holds no weight.Alphanumeric, whether or not you want to say that medicines came from either the Bible or Nature, it still equates to G-d incorporating it into nature. Drugs are a part of G-d’s good creation, provided as a part of His plans and purposes to be useful and beneficial to humanity.
Given I've told you the bible is not an argument I'll take it from the fact that's all you can say that you admit you don't have any real argument, you can only parrot the bible and not think for yourself.....wall of bible quotes....
Anita Meyer said:Where has any of this (modern technology) truly ever gotten anybody?
You can take your PhD and stick it where the Sun don’t shine!
Anita Meyer said:The Bible is in a way the only pier review that truly does exists! You see with science it is a series of judgments, revised without ceasing. It is constantly changing! However as I’ve clearly shown that the Bible is timeless and has never ever been falsified EVER! Things in it still remain true to this day, unlike the whims of modern science.
This single sentence sums up Anita's "argument" and shows her position exactly.Liar said:However as I’ve clearly shown that the Bible is timeless and has never ever been falsified EVER!
Funny how you say "Science is in the bible" but as soon as someone points out science which contradicts the bible suddenly its 'secular reasoning' and you don't care.Firstly, I could care less what you have to say since its all secular reasoning.
Yes, its called intellectual honesty.You see with science it is a series of judgments, revised without ceasing.
Your denial of reality is both astounding and horrifying.However as I’ve clearly shown that the Bible is timeless and has never ever been falsified EVER!
None of the scientific discoveries you list are due to people using the bible. You are only able to reinterpret things after the fact.ut as I've explained in earlier posts these types of things are also rooted from the Bible
A complete non-sequitor. So Morse believed in God, that doesn't mean a god exists or that he's responsible for technology or human innovation or the bible is true. The telegraph was invented through work and thought by people and the consequences are due to people. What messages people send to other people, be they in reference to a god or not, has no bearing on the existence of a god. If he'd telegraphed "what has Vishnu wrought?" would that make Hinduism more valid? Of course not.For example, when Samuel Morse discovered the telegraph with a tap tap tap relaying the legendary message - “what has G-d wrought?” The reply clearly didn’t anticipate the social upheaval the electronic media would create from it. From the Telegraph came the telephone, radio, than the phonograph, television, photocopier, answering machine, computer, VCR, compact disc, cellular phone, FAX, internet, Mp3 player, digital technology, GPS and Satellite.
Complete reinterpretation with hindsight. Those passages didn't inspire people to build the technology you mention, it didn't give people insight into the workings of the universe. And they've been interpreted to mean many other things, as has every passage in the bible.However, in the biblical book of Job we find that G-d is amazingly describing messages transmitted by electricity much to the similarity of Bells invention of the telephone. Job 38:35 - Do you send the lightning bolts on their way? Do they report to you, “Here we are”? And in Jeremiah it tells us that G-d speaks through thunder, lightning and wind. Jeremiah 10:13 - When He thunders, the waters in the heavens roar, He makes clouds rise from the ends of the earth. He sends lightning with the rain and brings out the wind from His storehouses. Alexander Bell also invented a device greater than the telephone that enabled sound to be transmitted on a beam of light through the use of a selenium crystal and a mirror that vibrated in response to sound. This invention is built upon the modern principle today that use lasers and fiber optics for communications.
You're just copying and pasting now. You say things like "what mathematicians call “Iteration” " as if you're just talking to a random person, when I've told you repeatedly I've got formal education in this stuff.dditionally, crystal formation from NATURE is linked directly to the mathematics of fractals geometry, to not only measure things in the natural world, but to also apply them to man made structures for maximum efficiency. Let me further explain… Fractals are everywhere in nature. And it is here again that we witness a unit of expansion that is consistent with known growth patterns. They not only reveal themselves in crystals, but in our lungs, kidneys, blood vessels, rhythms of the heart, weather systems - from the drainage pattern of rivers to the movements of clouds, the fertilization of an egg, the shape of a fern, a seacoast, a mountain range, or a branching tree. Fractal geometry can even be used to measure the large structure size of the Universe. Whether one looks at these shapes from far away or up close, one sees the same pattern (I don’t know which has a grander view, the telescope or the microscope - someone once said). Consider a tree trunk splitting into boughs, then branches, then limbs and twigs, and stems of increasingly smaller size. As it turns out, every smaller twig and stem, has the same shape as the whole. Each life-form possesses the ability to reproduce itself from a portion of itself. The Bible reveals this truth to us in the record of the third day of creation when G-d created life. Genesis 1:11-12 - And G-d said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and G-d saw that it was good.
Amazingly, this very same statistical and functional pattern of fractal geometry goes into the technology of cell phone antennas (consisting of polygons and triangles) and encompassing computers, and computer graphics. These fractal patterns consists of endless repetition (self similarity and shape to the minutest size) what mathematicians call “Iteration” (repetition). Without fractals (smaller and smaller self similarity) especially for today’s modern technology involving all the intricate and infinitesimal telecommunications needs we are facing would not work. Thus while observing the increasing functional importance of our technology, we begin to see within nature the identical need and commonality for fractals to exists - hence this is perhaps why nature (designed by G-d) uses them in the first place.
Provide evidence anyone has ever lived to 900 years old. Quoting the bible is circular reasoning and thus not evidence. If you do so, even after I've specifically said why its not evidence, I'll take that to mean you concede you have no evidence.Not only did all such technology stem from the Bible, but people existed just fine without these things (modern scientific technology) years and years ago (actually thousands of years ago) they even lived to be 900 years old.
Obviously you're just scraping the bottom of the barrel when you just post a wall of quotes, as it means you can't provide reasoned discussion..... wall of bible quotes.....
So go and live on your own in the wilderness. No one will miss you. You'll certainly do the gene pool a favour.The world is a rat race where the struggle of individuals to survive (and make progress) in the competitive environment of modern life has become dehumanizing and an ultimately futile activity. It is pure and simple foolishness.
So god didn't want us to use all the technology which you claim he revealed in the bible? That's a little contradictory, isn't it? If god didn't want us to live as we are why did he give us free will? Besides, surely he knows the future so he knew when he made us we'd end up like this so if he didn't want that why didn't he make us differently?The simple truth is that G-d never intended us to live like this in the first place. He put us in a “garden to be farmers” and to dwell with Him!
Didn't you just list a slew of technologies which came from the telegraph? The telegraph which the bible supposedly predicted? If technology is bad for us why is it a good thing the bible supposedly reveals it?Where has any of this (modern technology) truly ever gotten anybody?
What's the matter, not willing to answer a simple 'yes or no' question like 'Do you eat?' ? Are you so unwilling to admit even the smallest mistake that you can't say "Yes I eat", as you know it'll mean you admit you are not a closed system and thus your argument against evolution on the grounds of thermodynamics falls apart?You can take your PhD and stick it where the Sun don’t shine!
“ Originally Posted by Anita Meyer
Firstly, I could care less what you have to say since its all secular reasoning. ”
Originally Posted by alphanumeric
Funny how you say "Science is in the bible" but as soon as someone points out science which contradicts the bible suddenly its 'secular reasoning' and you don't care.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member..._dp_auth_rev?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReviewPure Parody and Scintilating Sattire!!!, August 18, 2010
This review is from: The Primordial Language Confirmation of the Divine Creator (Paperback)
I've spoken to "Anita Meyer" on numerous occasions, and she isnt what she appears, an neither is this book.
on the surface it appears to be the same old religious extremist fundie creationist dross that has been doing the rounds and been thouroughly debunked for the last 50 years or so, but that isnt the point of the book.
"Anita" is in fact a highly respected biologist at a top US university with a devilish ense of humour.
Yes folks, this book is a deliberate joke - and the joke is on the fundies for a change ...... at least any fundies who are dumb enough to part with any of their hard earned cash for it.
But its still well worth a read - people with functioning brains will be guaranteed a few belly laughs, and insane fundies will be left with a warm feeling of a mind unchallenged albeit with a slightly emptier wallet.
Recommended!!!”
Good deal! Well written, but are you taking credit for the spelling, too?
Aww…Yes, big improvement…almost sexy!:mufc:synthesizer-patel said:my spelling is just fine - its my typing that sucks
by way of evidence towards my claim, you'll notice that the following post pre-dates the amazon review and says more or less the same thing:
http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=702
ps nice avatar matey
Yeah! :worship: Now maybe Alpha can get his asѕ back up in the science categories, eh?James R said:Moderator note: Anita Meyer has been banned permanently from sciforums.
Moderator note: Anita Meyer has been banned permanently from sciforums.
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Reasons given by the moderator in question:
- Trolling: when her crackpot hypotheses are refuted she just waits a while and brings them back.
- Spamming: she has been hyping her own book.
- Pain in the ass: We don't need people here who somebody has to keep an eye on.
Funny how you say "Science is in the bible" but as soon as someone points out science which contradicts the bible suddenly its 'secular reasoning' and you don't care.
None of the scientific discoveries you list are due to people using the bible. You are only able to reinterpret things after the fact.
Your argument is completely refuted when its noted that other religions play exactly the same game. Since not all religions can be true at once it demonstrates that such a game supports none of them.
.So basically, science is valid when it supports the Bible and when it doesn't it sucks.