countezero
Registered Senior Member
You obviously have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Muslim Woman Jailed Over Head Scarf
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You obviously have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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You get to say whatever crap you want about Islam and Muslims, you can make claims and provide zero sources, its cleary okay on this forum - why can we not do the same with Americans?
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superstring01
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Um... what facts have you provided beyond exaggerated nonsense you see on TV?
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countezero
Registered Senior Member
I've made no claims about Islam and Muslims in this thread. My argument has been entirely about the legality of the situation and how she behaved. Beyond that, I've done little other than challenge some of your boorish and uniformed generalizations.
Gave it a shot, but came up empty - the specific incident I had in mind (there have been others) was a charter vs parochial schooling debate in Rochester, MN, for the local and newly growing Muslim community there, a couple of years ago.challenger said:
Most of the Muslim cabbies are Somali, in my town. The Muslim cab stuff involves mostly Somalis, because that's who's driving the cabs.ghost said:
It has happened in other places, according to the everyone involved in this one. I don't know how many, nor do I care. As far as why, who knows? They're Muslims, so making sense is not really involved. Cabs transport drunks and blind people pretty much routinely, in the non-Muslim world.ghost said:
In just my local area experience, offhand without research: Rushdie. dog cabs. foot basins at taxpayer expense, . evolution school controversy. coed school controversy. masked bank customer lawsuit. FGM controversy (sending daughters overseas for the mutilation). That's seven, and we haven't left my county or gone beyond my own direct experience yet. And there aren't that many Muslims here, really.ghost said:
edit in: forgot the one under discussion - alcohol transport. Eight.
edit in: domestic abuse controversies specifically involving religion. Nine. Still in my local town, with few Musllims.
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Ophiolite
Valued Senior Member
You haven't been here, have you?
That's exactly what I'm worried about.
in regards to the economy - yes, I agree.
Muslims that have integrated, of which I know many, are fine. It's the very smelly woman walking around in a tend, with sun glasses pinned to the front and gloves on a hot summer day that pisses off everyone. On one likes to see that. But, meh, for now it's legal. I hope we have a vote because much like other indecently laws I'll support with my vote a zero face covering policy.
countezero
Registered Senior Member
You haven't been here, have you?
I lived in Britain for more than a year, and traveled extensively throughout.
There are still deep-seated prejudices between the four people, though this rarely flares into violence. But I had English friends, for example, who could not understand why I would want to visit Scotland.
And you can boil it down even further: Consider how little time Scousers and Mancunians have for each other and how a few pints and the odd football match are enough to set them against each other with fists.
This is not to say Britain is a land of bigots, though I did live there during the Oldham riots, it's just to point out that human beings are typically very antagonistic toward people that aren't from their neck of the woods. Remember, the point I was answering was one of general American "hate" for other people that another member made, and my counter argument is that taken on a general scale, there are plenty of people who "hate" or at the very least dislike each other. In fact, most of the world behaves this way.
How do you know?
What right do you have to tell women or anyone how to dress? You have no right whatsoever. People will dress as they want, regardless of what others say. If some people (particularly Islamophobes) are opposed to this most basic freedom, so what? They have no power to do anything. And the more they rant about it the more they demonstrate they are the real threats to social harmony and integration.
countezero
Registered Senior Member
None of us has any right to tell someone how to dress. But lawmakers and judges do. In this case, the judge imposed a rule that this woman decided to flaunt. She paid the price. End of story.
Furthermore, if you think the headscarf is largely about religion, you're mistaken. Most Muslims do not wear them. It's a political statement.
Furthermore, if you think the headscarf is largely about religion, you're mistaken. Most Muslims do not wear them. It's a political statement.
Bells
Staff member
Did she?
So why was she released that same day? Why do you think that is?
Oh, and as for the judge and the officer(s) who attempted for force her to remove her hijab and subsequently arrested and jailed her when she rightly refused?
Oh, as for the media who reported she was abusive and fought against the police officers?..
But here's the kicker:
How delightfully interesting..
countezero
Registered Senior Member
She was asked to remove the headscarf and did not. Typically, not doing what a police officer or judge says in a court of law is a crime. That's just the way it is.
I thought she was held for several days.
Interesting? It's obvious the judge and the police are caving to political correctness and the pain the media spotlight is inflicting on them. The fact they are undergoing "sensitivity training" is a laugh being undertaken to avoid the inevitable lawsuit, which will come anyway.
distantcube
Registered Member
"The Douglasville Police Department said Monday its officers will undergo "sensitivity and cultural diversity training" after a Muslim woman who refused to remove her head scarf at a courthouse was jailed."
That makes me feel physically nauseous. What sort of nutcases are in charge on the U.S.A?
That makes me feel physically nauseous. What sort of nutcases are in charge on the U.S.A?
distantcube
Registered Member
Why does a judge tell a man to take his hat off, or a young punk to remove his sunglasses? More to the point, why should these people not be afforded the same 'sensitivity' that is shown to the religious? Why are my secular reasons for wearing headgear less valid than religious ones?
you kidding me a punk wearing sunglasses is your comparison.
Do those sunglasses have significant meaning as that hat does to that woman?
distantcube
Registered Member
Maybe those sunglasses do have a significant meaning to the individual, how would you know? More importantly, by what right do you claim his secular reasons for wearing those sunglasses are less valid than a Muslim woman's religious reasons for wearing a Hijab.
By the way, may I point out that she was requested to remove her headscarf at a security checkpoint:
http://bubblemixx.com/wordpress/2008/12/18/hijab/
I re-iterate. She refused demands by a baliff to remove her headscarf at a *security checkpoint*. Again, in case anyone missed it, *a security checkpoint*. I'm stunned that this hasn't be emphasised yet.
So contrary to what some posters are implying on this thread, this isn't a case of the judge looking at the woman in the audience and going "Can you please remove your rag please, towel-head?" What occurred was protocol enforced by security officers. Instead of following the procedure, the silly bitch swore at the baliff, and was arrested.
Serves her right.
Lets keep things in perspective, shall we?
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0583906420080605
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0583906420080605
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or suppose i go to court dressed in my underwear and the judge says i cant come in like that.
ok, and by the way f*** you i cry out no problem eh?
Headscarfs dont bother me but it is interesting that in Turkey they are banned on Universities but we never hear about this.
ok, and by the way f*** you i cry out no problem eh?
Headscarfs dont bother me but it is interesting that in Turkey they are banned on Universities but we never hear about this.
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Bells
Staff member
Stunning indeed..
But it wasn't for a security check. It was because of a 'no headwear' rule the judge had.. but what the security officer did not seem to understand or know is that she actually was allowed to wear it in the court because it is deemed to be a religious garment..
I re-iterate in case you missed it the first time:
Emphasis added because, well, I felt like it.
Actually no. The innocent woman you just referred to as a "silly bitch" had done nothing wrong and as the police investigation found, had reacted verbally and passively. It was the security officer who had failed in his/her duty by failing to actually know what the protocol was and as a result, failed to follow procedure..
Rollins would have made that accommodation for the case of Valentine's nephew, but the officer "did not affirmatively provide information on that policy," according to the news release.
"It is also unclear how familiar this officer was with the alternative procedure," the news release said.
"It is also unclear how familiar this officer was with the alternative procedure," the news release said.
Lastly, the scarf worn by the woman is called a 'hijab'. And referring to Muslims or Arabs as "ragheads" is racist and offensive. But it is interesting to see how you lean..