Muslim Festival of Animal Sacrifice

[S.A.M.]

Just out of curiosity, other than this Jewish story, is there any other evidence for Allah asking Muslims to kill and animal (or human) as a sacrifice?

I'm also curious if pre-Islamic Arabs sacrificed animals to the Gods?



As I understand it, most of the "sacrifices" were in actuality BBQ were everyone in the tribe came around and had a plate of meat from the best of the best cattle. The whole God thing was really just to get someone to pony up a free slab of good meat.

I'm not even certain how the Muslim festival became instituted

Accordng to the verses in the Qur'an its not even clear that any sacrifice of the son as in killing, was intended. The only dialogue is with reference to the son putting the forehead down, as we do in prayer, following the fathers announcement of his dream. When they pray [as I read it] they are told that they have believed a dream. This announcement [that it was only a dream] is their reward and they celebrate it by killing a lamb as they do [dabiha] for all celebrations.

It seems more like a don't act on your dreams story than a kill a lamb to replace your son story.

 

[scifes]

but we ate them. I don't think this girl plans on eating the cat. And the turkeys weren't killed in a religious ceremony.

the animals slaughtered in the islamic religious ceremoney are eaten, it's part of celebrating the Eid, just like the turkeys.
both are festivity holidays.

baftan is just being an idiotic ass.

 

[baftan]

baftan is just being an idiotic ass.

in terms of what?

 

[Orleander]

Nepalese officials have been ordered to bring goats to the country's capital Kathmandu so that they can be sacrificed.

The city has a severe shortage of the animals, which are traditionally slaughtered to appease the Hindu goddess of power, Durga, during the festival of Dashain.

A radio campaign has been launched to persuade farmers to sell their goats.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8264054.stm

 

[scifes]

in terms of what?

in terms of your attitude, you've been attacking religion vehemently ever since you entered this forum (which is ok cuz that's what we do here), but acting all innocent when starting a thread in a "oh i happened to come across this and wondered about it, i know it might seem like an attack on religion but that's NOT my goal", and then disappoint us with your inquiry about the most illogical connection proposed between two most irrelative incidents and want us to play along??...

it doesn't matter if you're pro-atheism or pro-religion, as much as it's important to be honest.

 

[baftan]

it doesn't matter if you're pro-atheism or pro-religion, as much as it's important to be honest.

What do you mean by that? Should I start my threads with "in the name of atheism", would it make my threads "honest" according to your criteria?

Just look at your point: You are dealing with my secret identity or intention. What is asked or demanded behind the thread is secondary in your mind. Why do you care so much about my personal idea about Islam, or religions? Why don't you take thread as it is?

oh i happened to come across this and wondered about it, i know it might seem like an attack on religion but that's NOT my goal

OK, but I have never said that "attacking religion is not my goal". Obviously, if I started a thread, which openly criticize a religious idea or practice, that means I am attacking religion. Simple as that, I believe I repeated my intention many times, so I couldn't and didn't say that. If you can find any of my sentence in which I claimed that "attacking religion is not my goal", please bring it over, I will change it, correct it, and I will apologize: I will say this "sorry, I was warned by scifes that I gave an impression on "not attacking religion"; but actually I do, and I apologize for misunderstanding".

By the way, I don't call myself as an "atheist"; you are calling me with this name, and obviously I don't have to accept sticking your labels on my identity. If you wish to call me an "atheist", it's your own box of understanding, you can keep doing this, I simply don't give a shit. Yet, I will be more convinced that you have nothing to say about the topic; and for some reason you prefer to masturbate with my "true identity".
I am an ape, that's how I see myself. Passed. Now, do you have anything to say about the issue of "hypocrisy"? Let me answer this one for you: No. So keep wanking...

 

[S.A.M.]

in terms of your attitude, you've been attacking religion vehemently ever since you entered this forum (which is ok cuz that's what we do here), but acting all innocent when starting a thread in a "oh i happened to come across this and wondered about it, i know it might seem like an attack on religion but that's NOT my goal", and then disappoint us with your inquiry about the most illogical connection proposed between two most irrelative incidents and want us to play along??...

it doesn't matter if you're pro-atheism or pro-religion, as much as it's important to be honest.

I don't think he's particularly concealed the fact that he is anti religion and especially anti-Muslim. I think its upto you to decide if you want to engage him once you know that

 

[krazedkat]

Not slaughter, simply sacrifice. There is quite a difference. Traditionally I sacrifice lamb, it's gifting to god. We aren't satanists. Slaughtering a CAT is different than a lamb or goat -.-...

 

[mike47]

You mean like the ban on ritual halal or kosher slaughter in European countries? Isn't that a given?

I doubt many Americans would look kindly upon native Americans following their customs either even though they ritually consume Jesus on a regular basis.

In Europe people still slaughter animals according to halal and kosher rules .
I never heard that there is or was a ban .
I like lamb so I like to be invited to any celebration with lots of lamb there....
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[damazka]

wahaaha this thread ia hilarious!
y'all keepbickering and fighting about muslim this and turkeys that.

The fact is that there are ceremonys involving animal slaghter in all religions, but since baftan is only accusing the muslims lets keep it within islam.

The Big Fest (al EID) a big deal in the muslim community.
Baftan made it clear he/she does not want to talk about whether this ceremony in itself (the slaughtering of animals) is wrong or right, but the way it is presented.

Also he or she does not want to discuss the way the animal is slaughtered (since we here in the western world have far worse ways of treating animals) so thats not the issue.

The only issue that I understood here was morally objective was the "hypocrasy" of the displaying the animal innards and then the not caring if the animal was eaten or not.... ehm excuse me if Im wrong but in the Islam there is no such thing.

First of all the animals must be halal, which starts from the birth of the animal till its death. The animal must have lived a peacefull life (you know being able to freely wander the meadows and eat the perfect green leaves and live a natural life or whatever) and then you must take a ram no younger then a year old and kill it in a private room. Kill it by means of slashing its throat. when I say private room, I mean to say that there should be no other rams present to see their beloved ramfriend be murdered.

Second of all the meat of the "blessed" ram must be divided in 3. The first one is for your direct familymembers (who live in your house) the second part must be given to neighbours/familymembers and the third is for the less wealthy people who cannot afford to buy a ram themselves...... so baftan what part exaclty did you find appauling???

This is how I was taught to practis Al Eid...if you do not believe what ive said...just search on the internet for the common practises of the festivity. Ill make it easier for you Eid_al-Adha#Traditions_and_practices (i know its not an official website but hey its the thought that counts right? btw you need to add wiki . com)

anymore lame accusations???

 

[Baron Max]

wahaaha this thread ia hilarious!

With only 10 posts to your credit, you haven't been here very long. So let me give you some friendly advice ....all threads here are "hilarious" in one way or another. If you're here only to point that out, you're going to be very busy.

As to the thread and your complaint .....if some people don't like the Muslim sacrifice, then that's their perogative. And people generally don't need logic or reasoning or rationality to like or dislike something ....and if you don't like that, then that's just tough shit.

Baron Max

 

[-ND-]

There is an interesting news going on in Turkey, about a 15 year old girl who slaughtered a cat in the name of Satanism, and she published the pictures of the process on internet. Links can not be shown here, due to their graphic content.

However, coincidentally, the Muslim festival of Eid al-Adha has just started in the very same country; probably in many other Muslim countries too. And traditionally, this festival brings scenes of slaughtered animals with their internal organs scattered all over the streets; children practically grow up with it.

My question has nothing to do with "Yeah, you don't know but children of the Muslim countries are already grow up with human bloodshed" discussion. Mainly, because this is not a problem unique for Muslim children; there are many kids all around the world who have been experiencing war and violence for many different reasons. Furthermore, my focal point is on the ritual. The subject girl slaughtered the cat in the name of Satan and made a slideshow out of her action. People of Muslim countries are doing the same thing in the name of Allah every year, and in much greater scale.

Yet, some of them like the ones in Turkey, can easily blame a girl who did exactly the same thing (slaughter for your belief and display it) in the name of some other belief.

These are my questions:

Should or Should not Muslims find this girl's display as a familiar practice to their festival of Eid al-Adha? Aren't they similar? If not, what is/are the difference(s)? If they are similar, why is the hypocrisy?

You are so confused. A animal you eat is different from an animal you are not suppose to eat. Holy crap man get some common sense.

 

[Read-Only]

The fact is that there are ceremonys involving animal slaghter in all religions...

That's about THE most unintelligent thing I've ever seen anyone say here!!!

Don't know anything at all about many other religions, do you??? Go crawl back under your rock where you belong!

 

[damazka]

First of all Ive been here a while, i just havent logged on in ages.

Second of all: seriously read-only from that entire soliliqy (sorry english is not my first language so i might misspell one word or more) your going to highlight one random thing ive said instead of looking a the bigger issues i present here... way to go. 2 thumbs up for you!

 

[damazka]

That's about THE most unintelligent thing I've ever seen anyone say here!!!

Don't know anything at all about many other religions, do you??? Go crawl back under your rock where you belong!

dude.... animal sacrifice is common practice in most ainstream and ancient religions..... hebrews, islam, judaisme, hindus then weve got the greeks, the aztecs, the romans, I could go on....
I guess you shouldve studied my rock a bit more thorougly??

but this is so beside the point of what I was saying, kind of sad that you want to debate this aspect of my rant.

 

[Read-Only]

dude.... animal sacrifice is common practice in most ainstream and ancient religions..... hebrews, islam, judaisme, hindus then weve got the greeks, the aztecs, the romans, I could go on....
I guess you shouldve studied my rock a bit more thorougly??

but this is so beside the point of what I was saying, kind of sad that you want to debate this aspect of my rant.

That's still unintelligent - especially since there are no more Aztecs, Romans, etc. Never heard of Catholicism and the Protestant religions? They are pretty big in the religious world and NONE of them practice animal sacrifice. It's not beside the point because you made a blatant and stupid claim!!

I'm still calling you unintelligent because you specifically said ALL religions in your post that I quoted. So that rock you crawled out from under was really. really dense.

By the way, my name is NOT "dude" - that's just childish term used by childish people.

 

[Michael]

Which religions today practice animal sacrifice?

Islam?
Judaism?
Xiantiy?
Catholicism?
Hinduism?
Shinto?
Buddhism?
Taoism?
Scientology?

 

[pjdude1219]

Which religions today practice animal sacrifice?

Islam?
Judaism?
Xiantiy?
Catholicism?
Hinduism?
Shinto?
Buddhism?
Taoism?
Scientology?

why do you have christianity listed twice in chirstianity and the denomination of catholicism?

 

[Read-Only]

why do you have christianity listed twice in chirstianity and the denomination of catholicism?

He did, but I think he was thinking Catholic and Protestant. They're different things, obviously.

 

[Doreen]

Which religions today practice animal sacrifice?

Islam?
Judaism?
Xiantiy?
Catholicism?
Hinduism?
Shinto?
Buddhism?
Taoism?
Scientology?

Oh, these days no one needs a religion to sacrfice animals. People do it for all sorts of reasons: entertainment, status, sport, something to do with the guys on a Saturday.....