More young men in jail than college

What is happening here?


I don't have the latest figures. But this is an incredibly poor outlook for the future unless urgent steps are taken to remedy/reverse this situation.:bawl:


Comments? Suggestions?

Why do people not post their sources?

Did you get it from here: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0881455.html ?

By means of comparison how many white people are in prison and in college?

EDIT: If you did get it from that link this is probably a more powerful statistic:

"About 10.4% of the entire African-American male population in the United States aged 25 to 29 was incarcerated, by far the largest racial or ethnic group—by comparison, 2.4% of Hispanic men and 1.2% of white men in that same age group were incarcerated."

Hope this helps :)
 
Why do people not post their sources?

Did you get it from here: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0881455.html ?

By means of comparison how many white people are in prison and in college?

EDIT: If you did get it from that link this is probably a more powerful statistic:

"About 10.4% of the entire African-American male population in the United States aged 25 to 29 was incarcerated, by far the largest racial or ethnic group—by comparison, 2.4% of Hispanic men and 1.2% of white men in that same age group were incarcerated."

Hope this helps :)

No it has no relation to the question at all. My question is related to the relative change within the posted demographic over the time span given. Why is this so difficult to get across?
 
"About 10.4% of the entire African-American male population in the United States aged 25 to 29 was incarcerated, by far the largest racial or ethnic group—by comparison, 2.4% of Hispanic men and 1.2% of white men in that same age group were incarcerated."

I wonder ....does this mean that everyone here thinks that commission of crimes in the USA should, somehow, be an equal opportunity issue?

Baron Max
 
if sciforums could somehow ban the posting of sensationalism about the US you would be fucked so bad that you would be bawling your eyeballs out.


which proves beyond anyones doubt that you could care less about blacks.
all you want to do is drag america through the mud, and if that means using black to do it you will. bigoted, racist, asshole.

It was a direct answer to the question, yes; and the question was not asked in good faith, so the answer was given accordingly.

Btw, I will not give you an infraction for this post, because I am not offended by your rampant patriotism.:)
 
HERE ARE JUST a few of the facts: One study asked middle-class black, white and Asian high school students what was the lowest grade their parents would tolerate their bringing home? Asian students replied A-minus. Blacks said their parents would accept grades lower than both white and Asian students.

Nationally, 74 percent of black students fail to graduate five years after entering college. Black students have the lowest grade point averages both entering and leaving college.

John H. McWhorter, a linguistics professor at UC-Berkeley, offers an explanation in his new book, "Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black America." It's a culture of anti-intellectualism among blacks. That's not a very flattering explanation, but to the extent that it has any truth it demands confrontation.

McWhorter argues that black anti-intellectualism is a result of victimology and separatism. Black politicians, civil-rights leaders and white liberals have peddled victimhood to black youngsters, teaching them that racism is pervasive and no amount of individual effort can overcome racist barriers. Peddling victimhood is not new. Booker T. Washington said: "There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs."

McWhorter says victimhood leads to separatism and anti-intellectualism follows from separatism out of a sense that educational excellence is a "white" endeavor. Thus, the "black Cult of Anti-intellectualism casts top scholarly achievement as treachery." Black anti-intellectualism is not a poverty phenomenon. It is observed in sons and daughters of middle- and high-income blacks living in well-to-do neighborhoods attending good suburban schools.

McWhorter tells of typical experiences with his black Berkeley students: many do not attend classes, don't or poorly perform classroom assignments and fail to show up for examinations. McWhorter is black, and even though he makes a special effort to help black students they don't use his generous office hours.

During my 33 years teaching, I've encountered similar experiences. I've aired my criticisms to black students, often getting the response, "Some white students do the same thing." I've typically responded by saying: "A white student goofing off might have a father who's a doctor, lawyer or CEO who can make a phone call to get him a job. Who does your father know?"

McWhorter doesn't argue there is no longer any racial discrimination in the United States, but racial discrimination is not the major problem for blacks today. Instead, it's self-sabotage -- and he's right. Let's look at it. A black illegitimacy rate hovering around 70 percent is devastating but it's not caused by whites. Black people have the nation's highest victimization rates for murder, assault, rape and other violent crimes, but it's not whites who are culpable.

Black students have the nation's lowest academic achievement. That can't be blamed on racism because academic achievement is the lowest in cities where the mayor, superintendent of schools, and most principals and teachers are black, such as Washington, D.C., Philadelphia and Detroit. Academic achievement is also the lowest where the most money is spent on education. Washington, D.C., ranks second in spending and ranks 49th in achievement.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams111500.asp
 
John H. McWhorter, a linguistics professor at UC-Berkeley, offers an explanation in his new book, "Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black America." It's a culture of anti-intellectualism among blacks. That's not a very flattering explanation, but to the extent that it has any truth it demands confrontation.

McWhorter argues that black anti-intellectualism is a result of victimology and separatism. Black politicians, civil-rights leaders and white liberals have peddled victimhood to black youngsters, teaching them that racism is pervasive and no amount of individual effort can overcome racist barriers. Peddling victimhood is not new. Booker T. Washington said: "There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs."

McWhorter says victimhood leads to separatism and anti-intellectualism follows from separatism out of a sense that educational excellence is a "white" endeavor. Thus, the "black Cult of Anti-intellectualism casts top scholarly achievement as treachery." Black anti-intellectualism is not a poverty phenomenon. It is observed in sons and daughters of middle- and high-income blacks living in well-to-do neighborhoods attending good suburban schools.

That sounds pretty reasonable, a similar culture has developed among Dalits (victimhood and separatism) we have however managed to avoid the anti-intellectualism.

Why do you think role models for anti-intellectualism have gained ground? What makes it unpopular to be smart ?
 
That sounds pretty reasonable, a similar culture has developed among Dalits (victimhood and separatism) we have however managed to avoid the anti-intellectualism.

Why do you think role models for anti-intellectualism have gained ground? What makes it unpopular to be smart ?

I also agree - and so does Bill Cosby and Barak Obama.

It's become popular basically because of two elements - it teaches that failure is NOT your fault, Black person, it's "Whitey's" fault. And the second is that it's a easy path to take - it requires no personal effort at all to goof off and do nothing.

And understand that it's not entirely just a Black problem - but it is THE major problem that they face as a group.
 
I also agree - and so does Bill Cosby and Barak Obama.

It's become popular basically because of two elements - it teaches that failure is NOT your fault, Black person, it's "Whitey's" fault. And the second is that it's a easy path to take - it requires no personal effort at all to goof off and do nothing.

And understand that it's not entirely just a Black problem - but it is THE major problem that they face as a group.

Unfortunately, the attitudes of people who still harbor residual racism does nothing to alleviate the problem. Problems of discrimination with housing, education, employment, incarceration, all add to the climate of victimhood.
 
Unfortunately, the attitudes of people who still harbor residual racism does nothing to alleviate the problem. Problems of discrimination with housing, education, employment, incarceration, all add to the climate of victimhood.

You are qutie right SAM. Whitey be holdin' down the bruthas by discriminating against them and shit. Blacks should separate and then they could rebuild the flying pyramids they had way back when in Egypt.
 
You are qutie right SAM. Whitey be holdin' down the bruthas by discriminating against them and shit. Blacks should separate and then they could rebuild the flying pyramids they had way back when in Egypt.

That is unnecessary; what is important is that there are plenty of people on both sides of the fence with vested interests in keeping the situation in a deteriorated state. And a lot of educated people fall in with them without wondering what the long term consequences of their support could mean for the country. After all, if a significant proportion of the population is encouraged to remain uneducated and separatism is encouraged, it is, in the long run, a loss to the entire society.
 
That is unnecessary; what is important is that there are plenty of people on both sides of the fence with vested interests in keeping the situation in a deteriorated state.

You mean race hustlers and poverty pimps like Jesse Jackson? Who else?

And a lot of educated people fall in with them without wondering what the long term consequences of their support could mean for the country. After all, if a significant proportion of the population is encouraged to remain uneducated and separatism is encouraged, it is, in the long run, a loss to the entire society.

What loss? Separation would be a huge benefit for white people. That's why whites leave when their neighborhood is invaded by blacks.
 
Unfortunately, the attitudes of people who still harbor residual racism does nothing to alleviate the problem. Problems of discrimination with housing, education, employment, incarceration, all add to the climate of victimhood.

Indeed! But you are missing the major point underlying of all that. It's precisely the results of the attitude described in that article and stated by Cosby, Obama and others, that CAUSES the troubles with housing, education, employment and incarceration. It's that attitude at work.

Let's look for a moment a moment why that's true and just how it works: No one wants to sell or rent a home to a family that might not be able to make the payments; we've already covered education in great detail - and so did the posted article; it's difficult to take the risk of hiring and training someone only to loose them if they are likely to go to jail or really don't want to work hard; incarceration speaks for itself - when a certain segment of the population commits the most crimes they will be dominate in the prison and jail systems.
 
You mean race hustlers and poverty pimps like Jesse Jackson? Who else?

What loss? Separation would be a huge benefit for white people. That's why whites leave when their neighborhood is invaded by blacks.

You appear to long for the good ole days; too bad, the future is more interesting, besides being inevitable.
 
Indeed! But you are missing the major point underlying of all that. It's precisely the results of the attitude described in that article and stated by Cosby, Obama and others, that CAUSES the troubles with housing, education, employment and incarceration. It's that attitude at work.

Let's look for a moment a moment why that's true and just how it works: No one wants to sell or rent a home to a family that might not be able to make the payments; we've already covered education in great detail - and so did the posted article; it's difficult to take the risk of hiring and training someone only to loose them if they are likely to go to jail or really don't want to work hard; incarceration speaks for itself - when a certain segment of the population commits the most crimes they will be dominate in the prison and jail systems.

One has to break the cycle somewhere.
 
You appear to long for the good ole days; too bad, the future is more interesting, besides being inevitable.

Yeah, looking for the "good old days" when I didn't have to worry about getting robbed or killed by darkies because progressive morons wanted to make their lives more interesting by bringing in Third World savages.
 
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