Masturbation is for Losers

[Lori_7]

Lori,

Convincing yourself completely that something unreal is real.

That choice can only be made if it were known he exists. And I see no reason to reach such a conclusion.

I am not seeking what you think you’ve found. My path lies elsewhere.

And the choice would be foolish if the other party is a fantasy.

And pointless if there are no recipients

And pointless if he doesn’t exist.

My will seems fine as it is, I have my own free will I do not need or want another’s.

It is indeed a choice and it appears you find it satisfying. Providing your perceptions do not harm me then do what you will.

If you succeed in life by believing this then good for you. In the end it will be all your own effort and you should give yourself credit for that because he is pure fantasy and cannot help you in the slightest.

Hm...lots of "ifs". If you want to know if He exists, then all you have to do is want to know if He exists.

 

[Lori_7]

lori,

It makes no difference the type. You believe/hope that your beliefs and actions will grant you the reward of immortality - that whatever it is that we identfy as "ourself" will endure in some form for eternity.

This is the underlying basis of every religion - it comes from that vitally urgent deep-routed evolutionary instinct for survival - the refusal to accept that death is an ending - the refusal to accept that we could possibly become non-existent.

It is a false hope unless we make an effort to make it happen in the real world and not the fantasy worlds of religions.

I'm not talking about religion, I'm talking about real life. So if you are ever presented with the opportunity to particpate in a genetic alteration in which your flesh is made eternal, then you will remember this conversation that we're having right now? Please remember that this is the mark of the beast, and that I told you that now...now, when you think the whole premise is a crock of shit. Deal?

 

[Cris]

I'm 38 and I questioned the existence of God over a decade ago, which is why I know Him today.

I'm 53 and accepted the existence of God 38 years ago (your entire lifetime). Shortly after that my disbelief grew steadily and significantly stronger to this moment. A disbelief strengthened by Christian testimonies especially like yours.

 

[leopold]

It is a false hope unless we make an effort to make it happen in the real world and not the fantasy worlds of religions.

i disagree, religion is not a fantasy, it's a reality. look aroud, it's everywhere. the real question is what does religion provide to or for society?

 

[Cris]

Lori,

Hm...lots of "ifs". If you want to know if He exists, then all you have to do is want to know if He exists.

The "IFs" are for your benefit. I have no doubt of the absurdity of Christianity.

 

[Gustav]

Screw religion...people need God.

i need him to find the perfect mate

lord
help me find a hot sexy girl
help me find one that is obedient
a good cook
one that never complains
please lord
do this for me
i will be forever your servant
i will strike down the infidel, chris
i will be your sword of vengeance
this i vow!
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[Cris]

Leopold,

i disagree, religion is not a fantasy, it's a reality. look aroud, it's everywhere. the real question is what does religion provide to or for society?

Don't confuse the institutions with their underlying fantasy beliefs - i.e. the existence of supernatural realms.

 

[Lori_7]

i need him to find the perfect mate

lord
help me find a hot sexy girl
help me find one that is obedient
a good cook
one that never complains
please lord
do this for me
i will be forever your servant
i will strike down the infidel, chris
i will be your sword of vengeance
this i vow!
​

That was very good Gustav, but let's leave Cris out of this ok? It's not a sword of vengeance, but of truth. And you don't have to swear to do anything for God in return...there's no bargaining with God. But seriously, you're doing great for starters. Needless to say, I'm assuming that you're sincere. :bugeye:

 

[Cris]

Lori,

I'm not talking about religion, I'm talking about real life.

No you are still wrapped in the fantasy of the bible.

So if you are ever presented with the opportunity to particpate in a genetic alteration in which your flesh is made eternal, then you will remember this conversation that we're having right now?

Open ended life spans whether biological or not do seem to be inevitable. I’ve held that view for sometime regardless of what you say.

Please remember that this is the mark of the beast, and that I told you that now...now,

No it’s just religious gibberish.

when you think the whole premise is a crock of shit.

Not quite sure what you mean here – I already see Christianity as crap. Are you saying you will agree with that also?

 

[Lori_7]

Lori,

The "IFs" are for your benefit. I have no doubt of the absurdity of Christianity.

If the 'ifs' are for my benefit, then they are wasted, as I know God personally. There are no 'ifs' for me as far as His existence is concerned.

What exactly do you mean that you "accepted" the existence of God? You either know or you don't know...there is no acceptance. It's like saying "I accepted the existence of my mom." What?????

And what do you mean by testimonies especially like mine? I'm being 100% honest. I'm not on some f'ing campaign, and I'm not trying to shove some agenda or some religion down anyone's throat. I would never want anyone to take my word for it, or some religion's word for it, or even God's word for it (referring to the Bible). All I'm doing is honestly testifying to what I've come to know by my personal experience, and I'm saying that anyone who wants to know can know just like I do...all you have to do is want to know. Do you want to know? No you don't, which is why you don't. How can you want to know anything if you already have your mind made up? Cris, you have absolutely no sound reason for believing that I'm a liar or that I'm delusional other than the mere fact that you want to believe these things about me. Why? Because you don't want what I'm saying to be true. Cris, you are wrong about God.

 

[leopold]

Leopold,

Don't confuse the institutions with their underlying fantasy beliefs - i.e. the existence of supernatural realms.

i'm easily confused, mostly probably maybe.

 

[leopold]

I'm not talking about religion, I'm talking about real life.

about real life? reality can be disgusting. ever been to a war?

 

[Lori_7]

Not quite sure what you mean here – I already see Christianity as crap. Are you saying you will agree with that also?

I'm saying that if I were to tell you today that at some point in the future, mankind will be presented with an opportunity to become immortal in and by the flesh, and presented by "aliens" no less, that you would think that was a crock of bs. Then again, maybe you wouldn't and you would sign right up for it. I'm hoping for the former.

 

[Lori_7]

about real life? reality can be disgusting. ever been to a war?

No, I'm a sheltered American girl, but even I can see that reality is disgusting. Ever been a waitress? lol.

 

[leopold]

lori_7 do you believe god to be supernatural?

 

[leopold]

I'm saying that if I were to tell you today that at some point in the future, mankind will be presented with an opportunity to become immortal in and by the flesh, and presented by "aliens" no less, that you would think that was a crock of bs. Then again, maybe you wouldn't and you would sign right up for it. I'm hoping for the former.

lori, have you considered being immortal? would you want immortality?

 

[Medicine*Woman]

So tell me, without this personal experience with Him as I have had, how can you presume that everyone's desire does not come from Christ?

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M*W: Statistics show that some 75% of the world's population don't believe their desire comes from Jesus Christ.
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See, the truth is not dependent upon your beliefs...anyone's beliefs, even my own...the truth is what it is regardless of what you believe.

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M*W: How can 75% of the world's population all be wrong? Therefore, what is truth to you and other christians is false for the rest of humanity. Truth is relative.
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I base my beliefs on experience... that's how God teaches me things.

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M*W: Experience is also relative. I've had a lot of experience in my day, yet I gained this experience from the pursuits of my own desire. Jesus had nothing to do with it.
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So anyway, He instilled desires within you, whether you attribute them to Him or not. Also, the flesh is a liar that urges you to seek cheap substitutes...like carrots and whatnot.

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M*W: My flesh doesn't lie. I'm sorry to hear that yours lied to you. I spent many nights crying myself to sleep when I was raising four children alone in this cruel harsh world. And I spent many mornings crying myself awake, because I didn't want to bring a man into my home. I never needed any carrots. I needed honesty.
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Also, without Christ, there is one desire within you that can never be fulfilled... and that is the desire to commune with Him. You feel that desire MW. Why else do you think you feel so betrayed?

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M*W: In all honesty, I have never felt betrayed except by the lies of christianity. No man had that kind of power over me. I was solely responsible for allowing christianity to control me. I allowed myself to be betrayed and then brought that same betrayal upon my children.
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Listen to me MW...God wants me to tell you that He is not the RCC. God is not the RCC, and you know this because you have experienced it. The Holy Spirit came upon you and told you the truth. And now you deny Him because you are hurt and bitter.

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M*W: I'm not hurt nor bitter. How could I be hurt and bitter from something that doesn't exist? Like I said, I take full responsibility for allowing myself to be duped... for a time. I didn't lose anything, you see, because it wasn't there in the first place.
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He did not lie to you...He is not a MAN so that He should lie. But the RCC is a group of MEN. He showed you the truth because He loves you and does not want you to be deceived. That is the truth. God is not the RCC. God is God, and will show Himself regardless of the will of men. The RCC is the whore...Revelation ch17. You know this. Now discard your pride and embrace the truth. Would you rather not know? God loves you and has plans for you MW...big plans. Please at least think about it...He's not gonna let this go.

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M*W: Discard my pride? What makes you think I'm prideful? Just because I won't succumb to your false reality? Please... you're pushing the lie here. Are you proud of yourself? If there's one thing in common all christians have, that is insatiable pride. That's why you people are always pushing your beliefs on the rest of us, like you've got something more than we have. You claim you want us to have what you have in your false reality, because you boast about it like you've just won the lottery!

Now you say that "God loves me and has plans for me." For god's sake, Lori, I'm retired now. I don't want anybody making any plans for me now. So, tell your god to leave me alone. He already had his chance to prove to me that he existed, and he failed. But you know what, I didn't fail. Everything I sat out to do when I was young, I accomplished without the hands of god stirring up shit in my life.

And why is it that when intelligent people have mental disorders that they start talking about god and jesus? That also goes for the homeless on street corners. Every bum that comes up to me begging for money always mentions jesus, god, or that I will be blessed if I give him some change. When I've offered them food, they threw it in the dumpster right before my eyes. Where was god then?

As the truth about christianity becomes manifest, christians get all panicky and try to gloss over the truth with a shiny facade. As c7 says, "a mask." That's all christianity, and all other religions are, is a "mask" to cover fear and doubt when it's much healthier to face that fear and doubt head first without the mask.

Lori, I appreciate your sentiment. I know you're a caring and compassionate person, and those attributes will take you farther in this life than any man-made religion. God didn't create you nor will you be saved by any dying demigod savior. Give yourself credit for overcoming your failures. Only you can save yourself, but saving yourself starts with forgiving yourself for doing things to yourself that were harmful. When you truly forgive yourself for your own self-destruction will you be able to move beyond that facade and live to the fullest.

 

[Lori_7]

lori_7 do you believe god to be supernatural?

I don't know. He created all things (nature), and the laws of such, and operates within them, at least when interacting with me. He is beyond nature. He would have to be if He created it.

 

[Lori_7]

lori, have you considered being immortal? would you want immortality?

I've already got it in Christ. But the immortality of this wretched flesh? No way, that would be my worst nightmare. And will be the worst nightmare of many who accept the mark of the beast. "Men will seek death in those days and will not find it", or something like that.

 

[leopold]

M*W you have no idea the value of religion. and nobody is "forceing" anybody else.