Masturbation is for Losers

[c7ityi_]

Or they reach their goal, enjoy it, and find pleasure in doing it again. For example, I remember when I read my first novel when I was a child, I enjoyed it so much that I have been reading books ever since. It is not a matter of reaching your specious unity or a specific goal – it is part of ongoing life.

You're trying to reach happiness and knowledge by reading books (ie. the goal, unity with information)

We are most definitely individuals.

When we give away our masks, we are all alike. We are the truth.

It is overwhelmingly primarily personal pleasure. That pleasure can be significantly enhanced as part of a couple. If it was not for personal pleasure we would not engage in sex. Just like all animals it is a primitive and primeval instinct.

But there's also a reason why we want personal pleasure, and that's what I'm talking about.

I really like mystical things. They make me remember the primal state of oneness. Words do not exist. None of this matters. It is unnecessary to say anything. There is only the presence, the eternal existence (God) Nothing and everything are an inseparable oneness. It's impossible to explain.

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[Cris]

C7,

You're trying to reach happiness and knowledge by reading books (ie. the goal, unity with information)

No. I am achieving happiness and knowledge through reading. I have no goal to unite with information.

When we give away our masks, we are all alike. We are the truth.

I don’t wear a mask.

But there's also a reason why we want personal pleasure, and that's what I'm talking about.

Surely it is be the primary driving and motivational effect of our evolutionary development. Without the intense pleasure from sexual activity we would have become extinct long ago. Without the pleasure that comes from curiosity and creating things we would not have progressed out of the stone age.

 

[Qorl]

Lori 7
I don't really hate my faith, I just hate being in jail or controled.

 

[c7ityi_]

Surely it is be the primary driving and motivational effect of our evolutionary development. Without the intense pleasure from sexual activity we would have become extinct long ago. Without the pleasure that comes from curiosity and creating things we would not have progressed out of the stone age.

Still, that doesn't explain the pleasure. Why would it be important for life to survive? And why would things need to evolve? Is it because there is a goal?

I think evolution never stops. It's infinite. We can never become perfect. The only solution is to stop believing in evolution and live in the present moment where all is already accomplished.

I don’t wear a mask.

Um... can I ask a question?
Your face...
what kind of... face is it?

I wonder...
the face under that mask...
is that your... true face?

 

[Cris]

C7,

Why would it be important for life to survive?

Why assume life is important?

And why would things need to evolve?

Why assume there is a need?

Is it because there is a goal?

Why must there be a goal?

I think evolution never stops. It's infinite.

Agreed.

We can never become perfect.

Unless perfection is something that is forever changing. The alternative would be stagnation. Perhaps what we have already is perfection. Perhaps this is as good as it gets.

The only solution is to stop believing in evolution .

Solution to what problem?

Um... can I ask a question?
Your face...
what kind of... face is it?

I wonder...
the face under that mask...
is that your... true face?

I am what I am. Ever changing and adapting to my environment and conditions that are thrown at me. There is no mask.

 

[c7ityi_]

You have only weak masks.

 

[Lori_7]

Lori,

Self hypnosis can be very powerful.

No free will then, and no point making an effort for yourself then?

Hypnosis?

You make a choice as to whether or not to involve Him. Seeking and knocking are choices. Developing a relationship is a choice. Prayer is a choice. Asking Him to help is a choice. Asking for His will in your life is a choice. This is where I direct my effort, because due to all of these choices that I have made, I have come to know Him and trust Him...this also a choice. So my effort is in seeking Him and His counsel and will, and He takes care of the rest. My effort is seeking His provision, and He provides...just like the Bible says. It's cool.

 

[Lori_7]

Lori,

Sure and I guess unlike you since I suspect you think you have achieved it already, right?

Well that depends upon what type of immortality you're talking about. What I was going to tell you was that you will be offerred immortality of this flesh if you're still around in particular times which are described in the book of Revelation. That's what the mark of the beast is...a genetic alteration that makes your flesh immortal. Rebirth in Christ is a spiritual rebirth, of the Holy Spirit, not of the flesh.

 

[Gustav]

...then I wasn't willing to settle for my finger or some lifeless and cold plastic implement either. It just wasn't satisfying anymore...not that it ever really was.!

dammit!
have you tried the produce section at the local grocery store?

 

[Lori_7]

Lori 7
I don't really hate my faith, I just hate being in jail.

Are you really in jail? Or are you just making an analogy regarding this prison of flesh that we're all in?

I was in jail once. I was scared shitless when they were taking me there...didn't know what to expect...expecting the worse of course. I had never really been in any kind of trouble before. I guess I had been kind of sheltered...middle-class suberbian mall fuck...college grad....corporate climber...blah, blah, blah. Jail was the last place on earth I ever expected to find myself...in a dorm with about 30-40 female addicts and/or prostitutes...one of which looked a hell of a lot like Coolio, though I was trying really hard not to look at her. I found that God was all up in that place with me. The crack whores were a hell of a lot nicer to me than most people I've met out here or other places. They gave me cigarettes, and socks to wear, and told me what to expect as far as legal proceedings were concerned. They told me how to clean the toilets just right at 5 am, so that I wouldn't get in trouble and they could eat on time. And they told me that I should eat, when I wasn't about to, cause they said I would need it, as they were grabbing the food off of my plate...lol. When I came back from talking with my mom through the plastic window, I had never felt so horribly humiliated in my whole life. Not because of anything that she said...my mom is a saint...but because of what I was doing to her. I went back to my bunk and broke down, and some of the girls and the guard saw me, and were talking about me I could tell. Then one of them came over to me and invited me to go to their church service later that day, and gave me a hug. I still to this day have trouble believing how much love I received while in jail. It was supposed to be a scary and horrible place, but with God in there with me, it was...a miracle.

 

[Lori_7]

dammit!
have you tried the produce section at the local grocery store?

I don't want a carrot, I want a man. And not just any man, but a very special man...very, very special indeed.

 

[Gustav]

i know i am very special
god knows i am very very special too

so
i like to be your man

 

[Lori_7]

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M*W: I disagree. Human desire does not come from any creator god. Human desire arises from our psyche. Desire creates passion. Every artist, writer, researcher, sports enthusiast, and all other areas of desire, knows that their passion comes from their innermost sexuality.

Well God created the psyche, and hence desire, and passion, and sexuality. God created everything, regardless of what label we decide to use to describe it.

How can you presume that everyone's desire comes from Christ? What about the rest of who who don't believe in Christ, yet have healthy passionate desires that become fulfilled? I know what my desires are and how to go about fulfilling them. I don't need a god to do that for me. In fact, that's a cop out. I take responsiblity for fulfilling my own desires. If everybody left their innermost desires up to a god-directed religion, the human race would surely die out.

I'm not presuming anything, I'm speaking from personal experience regarding my own desire and my relationship with Him. But I do know that I am not special in being special to God. He does not love me more than anyone else, or seek to fulfill my desires more than anyone else's. God is not a respector of persons, so what He has done for me, He will do for anyone else who wants Him to. So tell me, without this personal experience with Him as I have had, how can you presume that everyone's desire does not come from Christ? See, the truth is not dependent upon your beliefs...anyone's beliefs, even my own...the truth is what it is regardless of what you believe. I base my beliefs on experience...that's how God teaches me things. So anyway, He instilled desires within you, whether you attribute them to Him or not. Also, the flesh is a liar that urges you to seek cheap substitutes...like carrots and whatnot. Also, without Christ, there is one desire within you that can never be fulfilled...and that is the desire to commune with Him. You feel that desire MW. Why else do you think you feel so betrayed?

Listen to me MW...God wants me to tell you that He is not the RCC. God is not the RCC, and you know this because you have experienced it. The Holy Spirit came upon you and told you the truth. And now you deny Him because you are hurt and bitter. He did not lie to you...He is not a MAN so that He should lie. But the RCC is a group of MEN. He showed you the truth because He loves you and does not want you to be deceived. That is the truth. God is not the RCC. God is God, and will show Himself regardless of the will of men. The RCC is the whore...Revelation ch17. You know this. Now discard your pride and embrace the truth. Would you rather not know? God loves you and has plans for you MW...big plans. Please at least think about it...He's not gonna let this go.

 

[Lori_7]

i know i am very special
god knows i am very very special too

so
i like to be your man

Yes you are special too, but I'm sorry, the position is already filled. But I know that God has someone out there that is just perfect for you too. Maybe you'll meet her in the produce department of your local grocery? You never know...

 

[Gustav]

drat
god keeps giving me crack ho's
whats up with that?

 

[Lori_7]

drat
god keeps giving me crack ho's
whats up with that?

Well, I don't know. Maybe He's trying to tell you something? You should ask Him to explain Himself. Tell Him that you're not satisfied with crack ho's and that you want Him to find the perfect mate for you. Important point....He will require that you are the perfect mate for them too...keep that in mind.

Here's an example...
Once God said to me, "So you think there's no man out there in this whole world that is as trustworthy AS YOU ARE?" I did not in a million years ever expect to hear the last three words of that question. But I had to admit, "Well, yea, I guess I don't." I felt kind of stupid all of a sudden, and He said, "Don't you think that sounds kind of arrogant?" And I had to admit, "Well, yea, when you put it THAT way, I guess it does."

 

[Cris]

Lori,

Hypnosis?

Convincing yourself completely that something unreal is real.

You make a choice as to whether or not to involve Him.

That choice can only be made if it were known he exists. And I see no reason to reach such a conclusion.

Seeking and knocking are choices.

I am not seeking what you think you’ve found. My path lies elsewhere.

Developing a relationship is a choice.

And the choice would be foolish if the other party is a fantasy.

Prayer is a choice.

And pointless if there are no recipients

Asking Him to help is a choice.

And pointless if he doesn’t exist.

Asking for His will in your life is a choice.

My will seems fine as it is, I have my own free will I do not need or want another’s.

This is where I direct my effort, because due to all of these choices that I have made, I have come to know Him and trust Him...this also a choice.

It is indeed a choice and it appears you find it satisfying. Providing your perceptions do not harm me then do what you will.

So my effort is in seeking Him and His counsel and will, and He takes care of the rest. My effort is seeking His provision, and He provides...just like the Bible says. It's cool.

If you succeed in life by believing this then good for you. In the end it will be all your own effort and you should give yourself credit for that because he is pure fantasy and cannot help you in the slightest.

 

[leopold]

lori_7
when you get to be my age you will seriously question the existence of god.
religin say god created every thing. if that is true then humans can't create anythig. have you seen anything created by humans? abuot immortality, i would not want to live forever. i am not saying society doesn't need religion.

 

[Lori_7]

I'm 38 and I questioned the existence of God over a decade ago, which is why I know Him today.

Screw religion...people need God.

 

[Cris]

lori,

Well that depends upon what type of immortality you're talking about. What I was going to tell you was that you will be offerred immortality of this flesh if you're still around in particular times which are described in the book of Revelation. That's what the mark of the beast is...a genetic alteration that makes your flesh immortal. Rebirth in Christ is a spiritual rebirth, of the Holy Spirit, not of the flesh.

It makes no difference the type. You believe/hope that your beliefs and actions will grant you the reward of immortality - that whatever it is that we identfy as "ourself" will endure in some form for eternity.

This is the underlying basis of every religion - it comes from that vitally urgent deep-routed evolutionary instinct for survival - the refusal to accept that death is an ending - the refusal to accept that we could possibly become non-existent.

It is a false hope unless we make an effort to make it happen in the real world and not the fantasy worlds of religions.