Please show one example of an arab question the right of the jews to exist as a people. and yes the question the right for a jewish state in lands that haven't had a legal jewish majority in 2000 years but general land ownership they aren't against.
Magen David Ambulance Dispatch: “Is it an Arab or a Jew?”
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actually the jewish calander records 5000 years but the faith isn't that old.
it should be noted that the Merneptah stele doesn't mention Israel as being a state/country but merely a people.
Interesting point here, and I'll see if I can track a link down when I have time, but as I understand it, the Phillistines, who ultimately intermarried with with the tribesof Canaan to become the Palestinians, may have been Mycenean in origin (or possibly the sea people).
That used to mean the same thing.
The only problem with that theory is the language. you would expect to see a decent greek/indoeuropean language influence which to my knowledge you don't. given hebrew and arabic both being semitic languages it seems logical to assume that both groups have simliar orgins. the bronze age migrations from the arabian pennisula.
You'd have a point expect the Egpytians specifally mentioned in that stele the other groups of caanon as countries so clearly your mistaken. Their has always been a difference between a people and a state. while most states in early times were single ethnicity states they understood a difference between the political entity of a state and a people. look at persia which destroyed many a state but made a point of incorporating the people into its empire. if we take you idea as a reality how would this happen because they would have viewed the state as still existing and a potential threat?
Bzzzt.
It specifical mentions them as a nomadic tribe - kind of like the Bedouin.
And your dismissive "Merely a people" - are you saying that the Bedouin don't have their own cultural identity?
Besides which, go back and re-read what I actually said.
Actually, in this instance the egyptians denote the difference between a tribe and a country with seperate heiroglyphs. In the instance of the Merneptah Stele, places like Ashkelon were given the determanitive of a foreign country.
And so? What do the Ashkenazi have to do with Israel, besides their claim that they do? I already indicated that the Palestinians who were the original Jews were Christianised and later, Arabised.
The Ashkenazi on the other hand are obviously Europeans
When you have time, read those papers. The origin of the women is murky at best, with lots of logarithmic analysis of a very tiny sample size to find maybe one mutation in one woman that might be linked to a similar mutation somewhere in the near East
lol
Meanwhile here is something to keep in mind:
http://www.archaeology.org/9711/newsbriefs/masada.html
Politics and science don't make for good bedfellows. Or are the Jews descended from pigs?
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but the in the greater scope of the argument is connecting a genetic/cultural entity to a political entity. and the mention wasn't so much to countermand your point but to preempt the arguments from some of our more rabid pro Israel supporters from using the information in a way that is not in line with its actual signifigance. ie. trying to push the idea of a jewish political entity out side of a time frame general understood by archeologists and historians.
And so? What do the Ashkenazi have to do with Israel, besides their claim that they do? I already indicated that the Palestinians who were the original Jews were Christianised and later, Arabised.
The Ashkenazi on the other hand are obviously Europeans
When you have time, read those papers. The origin of the women is murky at best, with lots of logarithmic analysis of a very tiny sample size to find maybe one mutation in one woman that might be linked to a similar mutation somewhere in the near East
lol
Meanwhile here is something to keep in mind:
http://www.archaeology.org/9711/newsbriefs/masada.html
Politics and science don't make for good bedfellows. Or are the Jews descended from pigs?
They couldn't arabize they were already arab/protoarab people. and any jewish population will have genetic links to the levant and arab people considering their origins are similar.
El wrongo againo.
Firstly, you're ignoring the presence of Late Helladic IIIC pottery in the region, which evolves into Phillistine pottery.
Not to mention, if we invoke the bible as a source, the number of non semitic loan words attributed to the Phillistines:
Seranim, argaz, padi, Goliath, Ahish, Phicol.
And ignores the possibility that through intermarriage, and for convenience, they may have adopted one of the Cannanite languages.
As ooposed to our more rabid pro palestine supporters making untruthful or unrepresentative claims?
Feel free to point out even one.
The papers are all there and so is the raw data, gene homologues fall clearly and nicely into patterns which show relationships/
You just have to avoid all the hasbara that pads the analysis and look only at the facts.
This is clearly a woman of Polish origin.
You don't need brain surgery to see that
Moreover she is an atheist, so all the gobbledygook from mythology is irrelevant.
which could be and is probably more likely an indication of trade. the phonecians were known as traders. I mean roman goods have been found in china that doesn't mean rome conquered parts of china.
I am loathe to accept a religious document as evidence.
perhaps but cultural exchange is never one way. If the phillistines were the orgins of the palestinians you would see some evidence is language culture genetics of a connection which i just don't see. I mean a couple of words that seem greek in origin is hardly proof considering the phonecians had a fair amount of interaction with the early greek peoples having a few greeks words in the only surviving contemporary semitic language isn't surprising.
Feel free to point out even one.
The papers are all there and so is the raw data, gene homologues fall clearly and nicely into patterns which show relationships/
You just have to avoid all the hasbara that pads the analysis and look only at the facts.
This is clearly a woman of Polish origin.
You don't need brain surgery to see that
Moreover she is an atheist, so all the gobbledygook from mythology is irrelevant.
um SAM slavic people have dark hair and eyes
I have found that the pro palestinian people generalally tend to be closer to the facts though in such a debate as one like the conflict in palestine facts generally fall by the wayside.