davewhite04
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Meat is good for the brain. Fish great, I'm not a fish fan, they all taste the same, they taste of the sea if you're lucky(Supermarkets don't sell fresh(48hr iced).
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Meat is good for the brain. Fish great, I'm not a fish fan, they all taste the same, they taste of the sea if you're lucky(Supermarkets don't sell fresh(48hr iced).
Wisdom cannot survive in the presence of wealth, power and institutional morality.
Have you met any Trump supporters lately? For that matter, have you seen Trump?
Would you like to see them debate these guys?
You mean, taste like plastic garbage?
davewhite04
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You're one of the unlucky ones.
Write4U
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But it is also said that, "God gave his own beloved son" as if it was a great sacrifice by God and not a very kind gesture to Jesus.
And apparently Jesus was not too pleased either with his daddy. He voiced his disappointment with: "Father, why hast thou forsaken me"?
So it comes down that it is our own guilt which compels us to elevate Jesus for being a martyr, a victim of religious prosecution. Thus, assigning a noble aspect to an evil act gets everybody off the hook, ......hallelujah.
Why not?
Didn't need his bloody forgiveness.
Write4U
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IMO, they are three social conditions which always lead to abuse and the loss of wisdom.
In fact, according to that story, Jehovah deliberately made a son: impregnated a teenaged girl; didn't tell her until after, for the singular purpose of providing His people with a sacrifice worthy of assuaging His Divine Wrath, just as He'd conned Abraham into doing - except that time, he said, "Just kidding!" which is what Jesus probably expected... but no, He meant it this time.
Don't you wonder about that? How much would you respect a friend who threw his kid under a bus to save himself?
Political persecution, maybe. But the way the story's told, the Roman governor didn't see him as threat to public safety; it was simply expedient for the Pharisees to label him a terrorist.
Not quite. The MIGA crowd had got riled up to the point of taking the blame:
which the children's children later - quite rightly - repudiated, but that didn't stop the Christians (who weren't there and had no idea what really happened) blaming the Jews (who weren't there and had nothing to do with it) whenever it was convenient to write off a bad debt or find a scapegoat
Write4U
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Ask a Jihadist.
Write4U
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An abuse of power and corruption of institutional morality, no?
You don't get to switch religions!
Islam has its own craziness. But at least they take responsibility for the crazy things they do.
Christians alone claim to get their own sins written off because somebody who had no sins was killed. And they're not merely okay with this, they're proud of it.
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Puppet governments have their own challenges.
There are two different institutional moralities in play, as well as a an awful lot at risk. You do what you have to.
Write4U
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IMO, all mono-theistic religions have a "common flaw", exclusivity!
"Thou shalt have none other gods before me" (Exodus 20:3). This sentence has brought more death than any other divine command. It is the foundation of fundamental prejudice against all other personal beliefs.
They all have plenty of flaws.
What's that got to do with Jesus or salvation for one's own wrongdoing through the suffering another?
Write4U
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The one single fatal flaw is the "exclusivity" of each religion. They all claim truth, but they all call each other "heretical", and for all intents and purposes have been waging war with each other for some 3000 years.
This is why Jesus had to die. He claimed to be the son of a God which was not acceptable by the religions in power at that time. He was a heretic, just as anyone who claims to be the son of God today would be branded as heretic. Can't avoid it. Exclusivity, Prejudice and Persecution are built-in commandmends in Scripture.
So what? All tribal identities are exclusive. All nationalisms are exclusive. All ideologies are exclusive.
The Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition has a single root. The parent religion was eclipsed back in the Roman occupation - just as were all other tribal religions in the empire. The elder son of Judaism - Christianity - was estranged from the father even before it was exported to Rome - and later split into Eastern and Western factions of Catholicism. The younger son grew out of local resistance against European occupation. These are political entities with a religious front. So, eventually, was the third offspring: Protestantism. C vs P was the standard of warfare for centuries, just as C vs I had been for a previous centuries; now I vs P is most prevalent. Their flags are raised over fights for political power.
Jesus, if he ever existed, died along with countless rabble-rousers, insurgents and criminals the Roman legions strung up along the highways and on the hills of its empire. That happened three hundred years before Christianity was was designated Rome's official religion. His execution had nothing to do with the exclusivity of Judaism (which applied only to Israelites, anyway: it's not a proselytizing religion).
Nobody in Rome cared about that. They had an emperor who claimed to be a god. Their gods had a tradition of fathering mortals.
The Hebrew priests didn't like him much, but nobody cared about them, either. There were little prophets all over the place, claiming all kinds of silly things, and nobody cared.
But there were also uprisings, and when any one rabble-rouser became too popular, the puppet government started to worry. Not being overthrown by the mob; about being perceived as ineffectual by the Roman authorities and replaced - or worse, cracked-down-on. It was necessary to keep order; to this end, an example had to be made of the occasional upstart.
This has nothing to do with heresy: that notion came later, when the RCC was consolidating its religious stranglehold over the empire. It was all about power.
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Write4U
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Precisely, but Judaism it is prejudicial nevertheless, as are all mono theistic relgions, by definition. Jesus preached against the religion of that day. That's why he died.
Nationalism is usually mildly prejudicial, but it does allow for trade and sharing of information.
Religious zealotry does not allow "apostasy" or "infidelity", on penalty of death, as 3000 years of religious wars do testify.
Even today the prevailing sentiment of Muslims is the utter destruction of Israel and all Jews. That is not enlightened thinking.
This little clip by Lewis Black is actually quite revealing. (warning crude language)
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