Can't get more undeniable than that!Look for it..if you can't find it you do not deserve to know.
Alex
Can't get more undeniable than that!Look for it..if you can't find it you do not deserve to know.
Alex
Someone had to say it and I'm glad you nipped it in the bud.Which Romans invented Jesus? How did they figure this story of martyrdom of an obscure Jew would work in their favour? Why did they wait to deploy this propaganda after having spent so much on a military conquest of the region?
I would like to see that undeniable evidence.
Yes indeed we don't want the truth getting in the way of belief. Perhaps it is best to limit your knowledge of history to the same place as you get your science and so avoid inconvenient contradictions. Probably best you never get to know.Someone had to say it and I'm glad you nipped it in the bud.
Religion forum not Conspiracy forum.Yes indeed we don't want the truth getting in the way of belief. Perhaps it is best to limit your knowledge of history to the same place as you get your science and so avoid inconvenient contradictions. Probably best you never get to know.
But I still encourage both you and Jeeves to look so you can agree that you can't find anything. But I must tell you that it is so satisfying to read the history and find a plausible well evidenced hypothesis on how the Christian cult not only survived the countless similar cults of the time but rose to extend to folk all across the Roman empire.
Alex
They have so much in common it is difficult not to confuse the two.Religion forum not Conspiracy forum.
.I certainly would like to know how you would explain so many human gods having the same attributes...
Alex
That sort of thing...it seems you know. The JC story has been told many times such that it is clear that JC was a knock off, another Elvis impersonator, and therefore one can reasonably conclude on this basis ( without the need to enlist the various other matters pointing to fantasy) that the JC story was just another home grown cult.Like Jesus was Horus before he was Jesus.
Thanks.EDIT: Nice to see you make your exquisite return.
The astrology is lost to me but if it means that much to you then I understand you.That sort of thing...it seems you know. The JC story has been told many times such that it is clear that JC was a knock off, another Elvis impersonator, and therefore one can reasonably conclude on this basis ( without the need to enlist the various other matters pointing to fantasy) that the JC story was just another home grown cult.
I hope the link to astrology is not lost on you.
Perhaps I should have been more specific.The astrology is lost to me but if it means that much to you then I understand you.
What do you need a hypothesis for? History is out in plain sight. Christianity didn't "rise to extend". It survived its contemporary cults/religions/belief-system because it was adopted as the exclusive state religion of the most aggressive empire of the period, who systematically eradicated all its rivals. It then became a pillar of power in Rome's imperial successors, spread at spear/gun/nuke-point to all the world, crushing all local cultures. Christian institutions are intolerant, ruthless, pervasive, rich and intensely political.But I must tell you that it is so satisfying to read the history and find a plausible well evidenced hypothesis on how the Christian cult not only survived the countless similar cults of the time but rose to extend to folk all across the Roman empire.
I guess I can only agree.What do you need a hypothesis for? History is out in plain sight. Christianity didn't "rise to extend". It survived its contemporary cults/religions/belief-system because it was adopted as the exclusive state religion of the most aggressive empire of the period, who systematically eradicated all its rivals. It then became a pillar of power in Rome's imperial successors, spread at spear/gun/nuke-point to all the world, crushing all local cultures. Christian institutions are intolerant, ruthless, pervasive, rich and intensely political.
What's any of that got to do with Jesus?
Likely a composite of self-proclaimed prophets and local heroes, yes. So - which tribal god isn't?My problem with Jesus is that I believe the story is a myth...
It's no different from any other belief-system. People tend to personify their cultural icons. Ancestor, warlord, pioneer, preacher... the hero gets raised beyond the reach of ordinary people, so that they look puny and flawed in contrast; so that he can judge them.wake up folks..time to embrace reality.... Why folk believe just means they accept fantasy as reality...not good one could think.
It's basically the same golden rule proffered by every sensible philosopher since Atuk. (with significant local variations that I'm not mad keen on... Unfortunately - and I'm laying this squarely at Paul's feet - they've kept the Jehovah character at the center of it all, instead of Jupiter, who was just as arbitrary, but more human.)Now that is funny because the teachings I find useful.
The whole point of civilization is to stop people thinking too much for themselves. Once we get past a population of 1000 or so, we have to limit autonomy and individuality. Intimidation, shaming and the threat of exclusion keep people in line; ego-stroking, exceptionalism and ritual reinforce solidarity.But past that do you need to reference a myth to think for yourself.
That's why you're not expected to pick your own. That's what priests/pastors/imams are for.Seeking morality via the good book is the best cherry picking exercise one can find to define the meaning of cherry picking.
Likely a composite of self-proclaimed prophets and local heroes, yes. So - which tribal god isn't?
It's no different from any other belief-system. People tend to personify their cultural icons. Ancestor, warlord, pioneer, preacher... the hero gets raised beyond the reach of ordinary people, so that they look puny and flawed in contrast; so that he can judge them.
Otherwise, they wouldn't have enough fear of the law he hands down.
It's basically the same golden rule proffered by every sensible philosopher since Atuk. (with significant local variations that I'm not mad keen on... Unfortunately - and I'm laying this squarely at Paul's feet - they've kept the Jehovah character at the center of it all, instead of Jupiter, who was just as arbitrary, but more human.)
The whole point of civilization is to stop people thinking too much for themselves. Once we get past a population of 1000 or so, we have to limit autonomy and individuality. Intimidation, shaming and the threat of exclusion keep people in line; ego-stroking, exceptionalism and ritual reinforce solidarity.
The concept of Truth is one of the great myths humans so cherish as to enshrine them beyond the pale of rational discussion. Little, mundane truths are useful; Truth is a pain in the psychic ass.
That's why you're not expected to pick your own. That's what priests/pastors/imams are for.
Psst - it's not a very good book. Has good parts; needs severe editing.
It's actually a pretty safe position to be in. You have less to lose.Embracing poverty is immoral.
Au contraire, embracing wealth is immoral. Greed is a vice in all philosophies and oddly enough a deadly sin in christianity, unless you live in the US! We just love "stuff".spidergoat said:
Embracing poverty is immoral.
Where astrology is important today is ..if you meet a lady ..there is a high chance she will be into it...so know your "sign" and others..don't shut down the conversation by saying it's all crap but lead with ..let me guess you are a virgo...
And perhaps enjoy the benefits of being a hypocrite professing belief in something you find tiresome. But again I bet you already know that.
Have a nice day.
I am the new saviour..send money ..I need a jet to get the word out..I promise if you be good you won't go to hell and that you will live with me forever...well in different rooms..but hurry I feel immortality is beyond me. And if serious the fools would line up...that is the problem...stupid non thinking humans.