Look at all your posts to me, I think your heart is maybe just a little bit hardened against the gospel.
Actually i'm reading the bible word for word, page for page in its entirety- several times i might add. As i go along i make notes regarding every page and every passage.
If i were to list now different aspects from my current position i would be left with an overwhelming amount of destruction and no mentions of god loving anyone or anything. To me this seems a tad bizarre that someone would then turn round and say god is all loving. It's not mentioned in the bible thus far except for one passage:
Exodus 34:6 And he passed in front of moses, proclaiming, "The lord, the lord, the compassionate and gracious god, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation."
Here he says: "abounding in love" but then look at his last sentence. It completely kills off everything he said beforehand. This is so far the only time god even mentions love.
god has created countless plagues, completely destoyed mankind one time, closed womens wombs, destroyed countless amount of people throughout genesis, exodus, leviticus, and so on.. Every chapter thus far is full to the brim with destruction of man on a mass scale- all done by the hand of god.
When i was younger, and even now, people mention satan as being evil and god as being all good. Yet there's no written instance thus far of the devil killing anyone. How can you define something as all loving and all forgiving if it shows a tremendous 'want' for destruction and death of humankind? Also how can you define evil when there's no mention of evil killing or destroying anything?
If evil is as bad as you lot perceive i then ask the question is god powerless to remove that evil? To remove satan? It's a question asked so many times and one the religious sectors answer with true futility. "There can't be good without evil" is commonplace but answers nothing, and completely defeats the belief in an all powerful, all loving entity.
This god of yours then shows tremendous greed. All furniture made for him must be gold, cows offered must have perfect testicles and so on. He promotes himself with a pathetic vanity and overwhelming desire for self gratification that to be honest no sane man would see that as all loving and all perfect.
(If we look back to the original writings done by the Sumerians their gods, (alien beings), were the same. They demanded meat in golden bowls, with golden furniture and so on, [there are even records of the items and food sent to the temples where the gods lived]. However the Sumerians weren't stupid enough to assume them as all loving. They knew they were as slaves to these beings. Ok the beings taught them quite a bit but they knew they were slaves- even from the original stories of the garden of eden- [e-din means house of purity]- and they were sent to work in the gardens as slave groundskeepers. [this actually coincides completely with the bible texts of location of the garden of eden and the religious schollars placement of it- which would have been southern mesopotamia- around Basra)
As i've said many times when god says he loves it will be mentioned. But to deny the unspeakable acts of destruction and chaos by gods hand is to accept only one side of events, (the barely mentioned side), and is bias.
This is why i spoke of differences between OT and NT. It is my estimation thus far that the NT is either:
A) Talking of a different god
B) jesus was a fraud. He was a preacher and a good one- but no different to David Koresh.
C) god had a sudden change of heart with his attitude.
However i will divulge further on this at a much later date once my analysis is complete.
The fact remains 'all loving' does not give rise to destruction and death on a massive scale. As an all loving father, no matter what my daughter did i wouldn't give her plague, close her womb and kill her. 'All loving' is a blatantly fraudulent claim.
"my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge,
my shield and the horn of my salvation.
He is my stronghold, my refuge and my savior-
from violent men you save me." (2 Samuël 22:3)
"Hurry and get out of this place, because the lord is about to destroy this city!"
'For the Lord had closed up every womb in Abimelech's household because of Abrahams wife Sarah'. <-- the funny thing with this is Abimelech was innocent. Sarah had said she was Abrahams brother, not wife and took her to be his wife but did NOT touch her. god appeared to him in a dream and said: "You are as good as dead". Abimelech protested his innocence and god realised how stupid he was being. But he still closed the wombs of every woman in the household- wtf did any of it have to do with them that they need be treated in such manner? What punsihment did Abraham and Sarah receive for blatantly lying? Nothing.
'At a lodging place on the way, the lord met [moses] and was about to kill him.... <----- until Moses got circumcised. Why does god really care about mens penises?
'So the lord said, "I will wipe mankind..." <----- not just mankind, all animals, all birds etc..
'But the lord inflicted serious diseases on Pharoah AND his household because of abrahams wife sarai.' <---- this was again because Sarah and Abraham had lied. Serious disease? Nice.
'Judah got a wife for Er, his firstborn, and her name was Tamar. But Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the lords sight; so the lord put him to death.'
'Then Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brothers wife and fulfil your duty to her as a brother in law to produce offspring for your brother." But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the lords sight; so he put him to death also.'
'When you take a census of the Israelites to count them, each one must pay the lord a ransom for his life at the time he is counted. Then no plague will come on them when you number them.'
I could list many many more. When god's pissed off he acts instantly. There is currently no mention of "If you sin you wont get to heaven"... instead its when someone sins they die on the spot, or get diseased, plagued etc.
However give me some quotes 'directly from god' pertaining to forgiveness and forgiving..
I said directly from god. You haven't even begun to establish jesus as being anything more than an ancient david koresh so he doesnt count. Some guy roaming the planet telling whatever stories he wants is pointless. I only want to hear it via the mouth of god: "I the lord god love you all.." Something along those lines.
You cannot thus far show me that god, jesus and the holy fairy are the same entity- in fact your mentions merely argue against that being possible. In reality you can see them as separate anyway: "This is my son, whom i love; with him i am well pleased." That sentence clearly shows they are not the same being. Furthermore jesus has not fulfilled the prophecies that god said would be the indication of the messiah. Until such time that he does he can only be regarded as a possible false prophet as said by god.
God loves you and wants a personal relationship with you
Show me where he says that.
however because you have sin in your life you cannot have this
It's impossible not to. Knowing im being punished for the sins of my great great grandfather means i lose out either way..
God however has provided a solution for this, he sent Jesus Christ to die for the sin of all mankind.
Easy as that. cool. However answer me this one more time for the record: Is jesus dead?
Your sins included, Jesus died for your sins on that cross.
My sins are irrelevant. He 'temporarily died' for the sins of shepherds. To believe otherwise is stupid. Not to mention jesus is most likely nothing more than a false prophet- as god warned.
What you have to do is confess your sin, repent of them and ask for forgiveness, accept Jesus as your personal Savior, and give your life to Jesus.
That is just an accomplishment for the weak, for the pathetic. I accept forgiveness from the people i have sinned against, personal sins i must forgive within myself and try to do better. I have absolutely no need for an 'instant relief scapegoat'.
I stole £10 out of my mums wallet when i was 12, i smoke, pick my nose and fart.
b. Repent of these sins and ask forgiveness
Mum i stole £10 from your wallet, i'm so sorry. I was young and didn't realise the moral implications. Do you forgive me? She says yes.
Where does jesus come into any of this? Don't be an asshole.
c. Accept Jesus Christ as your Personal Savior
For what purpose? God says beware false prophets. You will know the true one when he does these things yada yada. jesus hasn't fulfilled those prophecies and as such is most likely a false prophet. Not to mention when you know you sin the forgiveness ceoms from within, not without. The pointlessness of looking into the sky and saying "Jesus, forgive me" is extraordinarily pathetic. I deal with my sins within my soul, within my being.
d. Give your life to Jesus
Whatever for? My wife, my daughter- i give my life to them.
Actually met a guy today, he gave his life to Christ (praise God), his sin is gone, he is saved, he is no longe yoked to sin.
Holy fartbags, it's as simple as that? Wowzers must be a sweetass life being christian.
God created the world, He created you and loves you, he has a plan for your life, all you need to do accept him, this is different from an alien that doesn't exist.
It's as easy as that to deny someone their belief? Cool, let me try: Your god doesn't exist. Its a fairy tale to please your stupid little brain. Jesus was a homosexual jew with a big mouth. He got killed because even the people he was preaching to thought he was a retard. The guy is now dust and bones rotting in some underground sandpit in israel. Not nice, is it? But for arguments sake let's get together some time and swap notes. Let's look at the evidence suggesting reality of your god and denying all others then let's look at mine. Funny thing is evidence will collide at some stage. Did you know half of the book you believe in so dearly is a translation of texts based on the belief in extra terrestrial beings? You can still see plural context throughout the bible that stems from older beliefs in these multiple gods, (aliens)- such as "Let us go down.." "Man has now become like one of us.." ""Let us make man in our image, our likeness..". Even the word Elohim is plural meaning more than one god. In actuality your belief in one god is against what is written in the bible. All of that stems from stories regarding mortal space travelling beings.
No, it is accept Jesus, or suffer eternal separation from God.
Can you show me relevant passage please, saves me some time.
No, of course he is not dead, he was raised on the third day, and no less perfect.
So..... what was the sacrifice?
No, I didn't meet him back then, but I have met him, and know him personally
You met him? where? Bowling alley, pub or your brain?
Neither of your further comments show god/jesus/holy fairy as being one entity. Try again.
Anyone, who does not accept Jesus is God will suffer eternal separation from God.
The overwhelming majority of people on the planet. That's all you had to say.
And i replied with the whole water and blood thing from a scientific point of view. Where the medical examiner was coming from was IF it did indeed happen how John said it did THEN this is the explanation, to show you that your comment was untrue.
Based on one line how can this medical examiner make such a deatiled observation? The fact is his observation would be no more detailed or worthy than anyones. As such the fact remains he could have been stabbed in the bladder and leaked urine along with blood. None of this would show jesus died 'of a broken heart'.
