I agree with you, I don’t believe Jesus was in the OT.
Cool, me neither.
As for the praise jesus, amen, lord jesus etc.well I’ve also heard praise the lord, thank god etc. the list goes on, it’s up to an individual how they phrase expressions I suppose.
Yeah, it's upto an individual. But isn't that relevant to my later comment on jews and christians being no different- just worshipping god by a different alias? Either way they both still worship the same being. I'll get to this on your other quote.
Like I’ve said above, I don’t think Jesus was in the OT, so you would have to ask the people who believe he was.
It's an open question- any reader may feel free to answer.
Who's to say God wasn't there when Jesus was born?
The bible. Ok, it's impossible to know considering the bible has high lack of detail throughout it's entirety, but that doesn't stop anyone else reading into it whatever they want. But it's not really about whether or not 'he's there', but more the differences between behaviour patterns in the OT vs the NT. In the OT he is very upfront and speaks more directly to humans. In the NT he does in essence take a back seat a bit more- sending angels to spread his word. I just feel for the birth of 'another him', (the messiah)- he could have 'boomed' the fact from heaven as he used to do.
This is a dicey question, I see exactly where you’re coming from. According to Christians EVERYONE is separated from God by sin. Jesus paid the penalty by death on the cross. Doing this meant that he had become a bridge between man and God. He is the only way to God according to Christianity.
Well it really shouldn't be 'according to christianity' but according to god, dont you think? According to me i dont think christians should be so fast in condemning jews. You both share the most fundamental of rules: Worship god. One way or the other, if they are one and the same, you're all worshipping the same entity. If it's a 'dicey' question it shows nobody really is in a position to condemn another religion to hell because they don't know the answer. The concept of 'competition' pertaining to god is a human one. There was someone on another post that pretty much said; "every religion is false because they're not christian". I deem that really quite faulty.
I’m sorry, but I can’t see how you can label Jesus Evil. Remember he isn’t forcing himself onto you (maybe some of the religions do or some religious folk) he is offering a way to God.
Well in context with the religious principle concerning evil, the devil isn't after your flesh and blood- he's after your soul. Sure, he can beat a man to death but that man will never relinquish his soul- he will die bruised, but will go to heaven. Evil is much more tactful than that. Friendship, offers, and miracles would be a bonus for the devil- not a sign of innocence.
I think i mentioned this:
Imagine a fully grown man, who's power is awesome in comparison to that of a young child. he could quite easily punch the child, throw the child over his shoulder and drag him off. However the evil doesn't work in that manner. The man comes along with a smile and a bag of sweets. In essence the child gives it's life over to the man, (unknowing of course), as opposed to it being taken forcefully.
The same would go for mass murderers. Under the circumstances any of us could kill and would kill.... however there is an extreme evil with those who kill on a mass scale. Serial killers are very calculated in general and will usually start off as friends- not by brute force.
If jesus was the devil in disguise i could see him acting no different to how he did. And if that were true you could see how help, love and friendship are the most worthwhile deceptions of evil. If i were the devil i could bash you over the head until you died but would you give up your faith and love in god? Of course not. If i healed your disease, bought the dead back to life and spoke nicely many people would- or, more to the point- would change who they believe to be god- not realising evil comes in many guises.
As it stands i personally see little reason god would send 'a son' to die for mans sins, and in the meantime change pretty much all of gods former laws one way or another. The pair of them are so openly opposite it's quite scary. In time i will be making my website and it will show in depth my analysis of this.
This is a good point. The passage which mentions Satan offering Jesus this power suggests that Satan was in control of the nations.
A power struggle between the devil and god? or god let the devil be in control of those nations- thus inflicting evil onto anyone who lived within those nations?
god is god- he doesn't get tempted by the devil. Of course, come the NT, jesus apparently does. Would it seem pertinent for the devil to pretend he was tested by the devil in order to make it look like he wasnt the devil?
I’m not sure what you’re asking here.
It is correct that the miracles performed by Jesus led people to believe he was Divine.
Sorry i will try and phrase it better:
I'd like to look at the differences between the miracles of god and the miracles of jesus.
Gods miracles served a distinct purpose: Freeing the jews from egypt, destroying bad folk, making rocks spout water, food to fall from the sky and further along those lines.
Jesus' miracles were a lot more self-serving: Walking on water, (makes himself look cool but has little worth to anything), [admittedly he did heal the sick, and gave sight to the blind but that in itself is not the style of god- god deemed these people as being 'unclean'. They were sent off with a whole lot of rituals to perform, sacrifices to make etc etc], ressurrecting himself from the dead-- completely self-serving, predicting his own death, and so on.
There is clearly a distinct difference between these two. So why are people so easily swayed by miracles of that nature, even more so than the miracles of god? I could make guess and say it's because those people never witnessed the original miracles of god, but they did witness the miracles of jesus. However, with that as a possibility we must ask why then modern day christians put more value in the miracles of christ to the miracles of the OT, they haven't witnessed either. In saying, i again ask the difference between christians and jews. Both worship god, and both acknowledge miracles- just different ones and different aliases. Can anyone really condemn them to hell? Again i make claim to the possibility jesus was not what you think he was. Of course i could be completely wrong- but if a choice had to be made i would just worship god himself, not any off-shoot thereof- which would in my opinion be inconsequential anyway considering they're supposedly one and the same.
I suppose he has to sit somewhere! God the father was there first so Jesus got the seat next to him. In a spiritual sense they combine to become one.
In spiritual sense i can't see why either of them, (one or several), would even need chairs.
As a mortal he died at the cross and experienced death, just like all of us will someday.
Temporarily yes. He did ressurrect back as a mortal however, and then decided to leave. Did he 'sacrifice' himself or did he provide mankind with a convenient magic show?
I agree. This has always puzzled me.
Glad to see it's not just me
This may be true in his final moments, but he wouldn’t have been there in the first place if he was only thinking about himself.
Well it does make me laugh "breathed his last", when it wasn't actually his 'last' and he already knew that beforehand.
Furthermore there are circumstances where one would think about others in order to benefit himself. If he was evil he still would have been there- 'harvesting' for souls.
I believe the men in white were angels. I’m not sure exactly who or what resurrected the body maybe it was Jesus himself.
Well if they were angels why not just say they were angels? Why cause ultimate confusion with several different accounts: One claiming angels were there, one claiming men in white, and one claiming a mixture of both- showing some possibility to them being different. However until analysed further i will agree and say they were angels. However, (yes i love my 'howevers'
), we all know not all angels are good. As for who or what ressurrected him- i guess we're not destined to know
If you look at your example of the $1000. Could you convince yourself that there would definitely be $1000 lying in street later on? I doubt it. maybe Jesus had the same doubts, I seriously think he did, this doubt might explain why he said "my god, my god, why have you forsaken me?" on the cross.
If he was god not only would he not say: "My god, my god why have you forsaken me?", but he also wouldn't have doubt- because he's god. Admittedly i wouldn't spend $1000 if i had any doubts whatsoever that i wouldn't find $1000 later on. However i'm just a human, im not god.
