Israeli/Hamas disregard for human life.
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Buffalo Roam
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Really? So this Quote from Him isn't:
Mark Twain's visit to Lebanon, Syria, and the Holy Land in 1867 was published in "The Innocents Abroad", where he described Palestine as follows:
"..... A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds... a silent mournful expanse.... a desolation.... we never saw a human being on the whole route.... hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country." (The Innocents Abroad, p. 361-362)
Twain was a satirist. Kathleen Christison ,if she was still alive, would be disapointed in you. she spent 16 years working with the CIA and was critical using Twain's writing as a literal description of palestine. though if you dislike Twain try Bayard Taylor(one of the richest districts in the world." and Lawrence Oliphant(a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands; and it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive.)
Buffalo Roam
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You went with Twain 11 out of 10 times, you chose the Man, and you stated that he was correct and that you took his word over mine, now you back water faster than a crawfish looking down the gullet of a walleye.
Yes, a true legend in his own mind pj, the dude.
Yes I stated Twain was correct. But I'm also going with his personal stated beliefs and not one of his humorous works. Its not backtracking to assume that you didn't get that Twain's description was satirical in nature to offer easier to understand examples for you.
I know you think you a legend in your own mind. Sadly you disprove it with each and every one of your posts
Buffalo Roam
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Crawfish.
And exactly where in the Palestine were these descriptions of?
East or West of the Jordan, remember in the Ottoman Empire there was no such district as Palestine, and the original Mandate of Palestine stretched from the Mediterranean Sea to the Iraqi Boarder, from the Syrian Mandate to the Gulf of Aqaba.
Now just exactly were we these Gentleman talking about?
The Palestinian Mandate covered a lot of country, and before that there was no such thing as the Palestine in the Ottoman Empire.
Now as this map shows there was no such place as Palestine in the Ottoman Empire in 1888.
There was the District of Beirut, Damascus, and Jaffa, but no such thing as a district of Palestine.
It even show the Towns were Anti Zionist presses operated protesting the purchases of land by Jews in these districts.
Buffalo Roam
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Innocents abroad wasn't a humorous work, it was satire:
Twain meant ever word he said in that travelog, Twain was making a secular statement of the fraud he saw in the religious piety, that was a Protestant, scoffing at Catholic and Orthodox impostures.
But he described the lands as He saw them, and his sharp satirical wit was for the vendors of Catholic and Orthodox impostures, sold as religious relics to the Piously Snobbish Traveling Pilgrim.
So were my studies of Twain and His travels.
Buffalo Roam
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This isn't a map of the British Partition, it is a map of the Ottoman Districts, or can't you read? The Principle Administrative Districts of the Ottoman Empire as reorganized in 1888, 29 years before the British became involved, as protectors of the Mandate of Palestine.
So who is the dense one? Hmmmmm?
Buffalo Roam
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Run Forrest, run!
Never pictured SAM as Forest Gump, you yes, but not SAM.
But then Forest is smarter than you, He had the ability to cut through the Gordion Knot, to see the truth.
Buffalo Roam
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SAM, Palestine is defined by the Mandate of Palestine, as you so usefully point out, Palestine as you define it is a British Construct, Palestine as you define it didn't exist in the Ottoman Empire, who ceded that land to a Mandate to the League of Nations.
So in all of your defense of the so called Palestinians you are defending a British construct, that didn't exist until the British drew the lines on the map.
The same British that you hold in such contempt.
So again there is no such thing as a Palestinian, or Palestine, and it doesn't matter who thinks they own the Olive Trees, the land by right of conquest belongs to Israel, and everything on that land that is immovable.
The Arabs tried to take that land by conquest in contravention of a U.N. Resolution, by force, they screwed up, and lost, and ever since have left the Arabs of British Palestine sucking hind tit in refugee camps across the Ummah, no nationality, no economy, no land, no life except to die in proxie war for the Arabs on the off chance that they just might destroy Israel and take the land back, at which time, the Arabs will shoulder the Palestinians aside again, and Palestine will disappear in to Syria, Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia.
Let me use small words and some font formatting.
While the word "Transjordan" included Palestine, the word "Palestine" never included Jordan.
So no historian or writer or anyone who can read a map would EVER say Palestine for Jordan.
Second, Transjordan was proposed, never implemented.
So no one ever would say Palestine when they meant Jordan or vice versa. In ANY book.
All existing maps prove this.
Lastly, it makes no difference whether you consider Wisconsin to be in the North American Union, the US or Canada or Sauk/Chippewa/Dakota Nation.
You are still in a specific place regardless of political boundaries. The location of Wisconsin does not change with political boundaries. Think of it as latitude longitude, the hundreds of thousands of olive trees belonging to the Palestinians and bulldozed by the Israelis are in latitude longitude Palestine. Not Jordan, British defined or otherwise.
While the word "Transjordan" included Palestine, the word "Palestine" never included Jordan.
So no historian or writer or anyone who can read a map would EVER say Palestine for Jordan.
Second, Transjordan was proposed, never implemented.
So no one ever would say Palestine when they meant Jordan or vice versa. In ANY book.
All existing maps prove this.
Lastly, it makes no difference whether you consider Wisconsin to be in the North American Union, the US or Canada or Sauk/Chippewa/Dakota Nation.
You are still in a specific place regardless of political boundaries. The location of Wisconsin does not change with political boundaries. Think of it as latitude longitude, the hundreds of thousands of olive trees belonging to the Palestinians and bulldozed by the Israelis are in latitude longitude Palestine. Not Jordan, British defined or otherwise.
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Buffalo Roam
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Let me use small words and some font formatting.
While the word "Transjordan" included Palestine, the word "Palestine" never included Jordan.
So no historian or writer or anyone who can read a map would EVER say Palestine for Jordan.
Second, Transjordan was proposed, never implemented.
So no one ever would say Palestine when they meant Jordan or vice versa. In ANY book.
All existing maps prove this.
Lastly, it makes no difference whether you consider Wisconsin to be in the North American Union, the US or Canada or Sauk/Chippewa/Dakota Nation.
You are still in a specific place regardless of political boundaries. The location of Wisconsin does not change with political boundaries. Think of it as latitude longitude, the hundreds of thousands of olive trees belonging to the Palestinians and bulldozed by the Israelis are in latitude longitude Palestine. Not Jordan, British defined or otherwise.
The Transjordan was a British Construct from the Palestinian Mandate SAM, there was no Transjordan before the British, just as there was no Palestine before the British.
There was no District of Palestine in the Ottoman Empire, just as there was no such thing as the Transjordan in the Ottoman Empire, from beginning to end, the Transjordan, and Palestine are construct of the British, and you want to reject those lines because the British drew them.
So there is no Palestine, the Arabs rejected U.N. 181 and the Palestinian State that would have been formed, and then didn't win a war they started.
So by right of Victory, the Israelis have the Land, and even then they were willing to share the Land with the Arabs, except the Arabs again rejected that proposal, for the Arabs it was all or nothing, and if they had won, there still would be no Palestinians State, it would have disappeared into Syria, Jordan and Egypt, and there is a good chance that Lebanon would have disappeared in to Syria.
So the land belongs to Israel, and everything that is rooted in that land.
If those Arabs can move those Olive Trees with them then they belong to them, if they can't, they belong to the land.
Only if you own the land, and can show title and Deed does what grows on the land belong to you.
That is law, natural and legal.
Obviously, you are not capable of comprehension.
Just try to understand one statement:
While the word "Transjordan" included Palestine, the word "Palestine" never included Jordan.
Law is made by citizens of a land. Not foreign immigrants. Occupation is not legal.
Thats the kind of rubbish that colonialism was based on. Ironic, because the Chinese own your ass without a single bullet.
Just try to understand one statement:
While the word "Transjordan" included Palestine, the word "Palestine" never included Jordan.
Law is made by citizens of a land. Not foreign immigrants. Occupation is not legal.
Thats the kind of rubbish that colonialism was based on. Ironic, because the Chinese own your ass without a single bullet.
Buffalo Roam
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SAM, the land ceded to Britain was called the Palestinian Mandate, the British considered the people of that Mandate as Palestinians, Arab Palestinians, and Jewish Palestinians.
For Bureaucratic considerations the British divide the Mandate into three, artificial administrative divisions.
The Two that we are in discussing the Palestine and Transjordan:
Avi Shlaim (2007) p 14.
Started as the Mandate of Palestine, and then the British artificially divided it further, into Transjordan the Palestinian State,
and Palestine, the Jewish State.
So again the Jews have the right to the land, by Title, Deed, and Defense of the Jewish State as delineated by the U.N. Resolution 181, and Conquest in a war brought to them by the Arabs in their land grab to destroy the State of Israel, and Palestine.
As to:
You are the one demonstrating the lack of comprehension, the whole area was the British Mandate of Palestine, and the British divided that in to two separate administrative divisions, The Transjordan, for the Arabs, and Palestine for the Jews, so the Transjordan started out as nothing more than the Mandate of Palestine, it didn't exist just as Palestine didn't exist until the British established those Administrative Division.
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