Israeli/Hamas disregard for human life.

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Buffalo Roam said:
It is a Moot point, but the Israelis are willing to let it stand for Peace, if the Palestinian Arabs make a real Peace, the Israelis will allow for a Palestinian State.

But the Palestinian Arabs have to prove the Peace, that means stopping all attacks and arms smuggling, and do it for real, not Hudna, no Taqiyya, no Kitman, no Abrogation, real lasting Peace.

And after the record of the Arabs of Palestine that will take a while.
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Its not only Arabs who have issues with human rights abuses. Israel has a long way to go before any kind of trust that can lead to PEACE can be found.

Jews Against the Occupation

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Jews Against the Occupation is an organization of progressive, secular and religious Jews of all ages throughout the New York City area advocating peace through justice for Palestine and Israel. Our points of unity are as follows:

NO OCCUPATION IN OUR NAME

We as American Jews reject the Israeli government assertion that it is "necessary" to subjugate Palestinians for the sake of keeping Jews safe. We assert that security can only come from mutual respect, and that the occupation of Palestine is only worsening the position of Jews in the Middle East and around the world.

RESTORE HUMAN & CIVIL RIGHTS

The Israeli military fires bone-crushing rubber bullets and live ammunition at unarmed Palestinian civilians engaged in peaceful protest, failing to distinguish between peaceful and violent resistance. The Israeli government has been demolishing Palestinian houses and crops in the Occupied Territories, while allowing Jewish settlers -- many of them American -- to illegally occupy the same land.

END U.S. AID TO ISRAEL

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STOP ECONOMIC ATTACKS ON PALESTINE

The Israeli government has attacked the Palestinian economy by: closing Palestinian banks; imposing extreme taxes on business; withdrawing operating licenses; destroying industrial equipment; bulldozing farmland and banning fishing; restricting workers' movement; controlling the export of Palestinian goods; closing the borders of the Occupied Territories; and refusing to fund infrastructure like water and electricity -- even in Arab villages within Israel.

LET PALESTINIANS RETURN HOME

Thousands of Palestinians were driven out of their houses and off of their farms during and after the creation of Israel. They must be allowed to return to their homeland.
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Lets be honest about what the issues are, and that it will take BOTH sides to engender a climate for dialogue.

Shalom.
 
StrawDog said:
Its not only Arabs who have issues with human rights abuses. Israel has a long way to go before any kind of trust that can lead to PEACE can be found.
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Israel has a long way to go? :p

try the HAMAS charter first, which is largely based on the same agenda that was 60 years ago.

you know how they treat women in the arab society? sure you dont. does it mean you will bother to check? of course not.
 
Mr.Spock said:
Israel has a long way to go? :p

try the HAMAS charter first, which is largely based on the same agenda that was 60 years ago.

you know how they treat women in the arab society? sure you dont. does it mean you will bother to check? of course not.
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What are you babbling on about?
 
StrawDog said:
Its not only Arabs who have issues with human rights abuses. Israel has a long way to go before any kind of trust that can lead to PEACE can be found.


(http://www.jatonyc.org/)

Lets be honest about what the issues are, and that it will take BOTH sides to engender a climate for dialogue.

Shalom.
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Yes, lets be honest, and then look at what Hamas has done for the last 8 years.

Lets look at what Hamas has done in the dust up.

Let look at the labels applied to the last incursion by Israel in to the Hamas, caused by Hamas continuos arms smuggling and attacks against the people of Israel.

Israel committing a Genocide? :roflmao: that accusation has about as much validity as that there are little green men on the moon, which is made of green cheese.

You hide behind your liberal veneer of I don't approve of any deaths, and yet the only people you have criticized are the Israelis.

You have not addressed any of Hamas's terrorist activities, or the suicide bombing which are nothing but murder of innocents, or the continuos rocket and mortar attacks that never stop.

Yes, be lets be honest, you aren't interested in Honest Debate.

Salam.
 
I wonder what Buffalo really thinks of native Americans. Did they not struggle for 200 years? Were they terrorists?
 
Buffalo Roam said:
They were the winners, they didn't have to do anything different
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Winners of what? If a group of immigrants does exactly what the Jews did, form a militia to establish a religious state, what response would the American people have?

And if someone breaks into your house, shoots your family and takes over, you'll consider him a winner? You won't go looking for your weapons? What a very odd sense of justice.
 
S.A.M. said:
Winners of what? If a group of immigrants does exactly what the Jews did, form a militia to establish a religious state, what response would the American people have?

And if someone breaks into your house, shoots your family and takes over, you'll consider him a winner? You won't go looking for your weapons? What a very odd sense of justice.
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SAM they weren't immigrants, they were people who were born there, and legal immigrants, as a base, along with those who were there Illegally.

The Legal residents, both indigenous and immigrants had every right to form militias to defend themselves, and expect self determination separate from the Arabs.

The legal numbers of Jews in the Palestine according to the British number 553,600, that doesn't count the Illegals.

And there are many a country who have self determination with the same or less population:

Cape Verde 530,000, Equatorial Guinea 507,000, Solomon Islands 506,992, there are 58 Countries in the world with populations smaller than the population of Jews in the Palestine when it was founded.

So again tell me that the Jews didn't have the right and expectation to have a self determination separate from the Arabs in the Lands that they lived on?
 
S.A.M. said:
I wonder what Buffalo really thinks of native Americans. Did they not struggle for 200 years? Were they terrorists?
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SAM you don't have a Clue? Do You?

And as I have shown, the Native American culture is strong and thriving, and doing more so every year.

We have made Peace, and that was a long time ago.

I am proud for my brothers that they have succeeded in the modern world, and have kept their culture, and celebrate our culture with pride.

You really have no clue.
 
So were they terrorists when they were defending themselves? Made peace? lol. Sure, after most of them were killed and/or dispossessed by settlers.

I am proud for my brothers that they have succeeded in the modern world, and have kept their culture, and celebrate our culture with pride.
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How magnanimous of you. Being proud of the losers.
 
S.A.M. said:
So were they terrorists when they were defending themselves? Made peace? lol. Sure, after most of them were killed and/or dispossessed by settlers.



How magnanimous of you. Being proud of the losers.
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The modern day difference is that native Americans dont fire rockets, and dont strap bombs to their backs.
 
fedr808 said:
The modern day difference is that native Americans dont fire rockets, and dont strap bombs to their backs.
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They didn't have the technology. They were no less imaginative in their struggle to stay on their own land as they were dispossessed however. They fought for 200 years until a sufficient number was killed so they could be transferred to less desirable locations and subdued by force.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1008.html
 
S.A.M. said:
They didn't have the technology. They were no less imaginative in their struggle to stay on their own land as they were dispossessed however. They fought for 200 years until a sufficient number was killed so they could be transferred to less desirable locations and subdued by force.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1008.html
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So.... what does this have to do with "Ha,as steal food out of the mouths of gazan children"?
 
S.A.M. said:
They didn't have the technology. They were no less imaginative in their struggle to stay on their own land as they were dispossessed however. They fought for 200 years until a sufficient number was killed so they could be transferred to less desirable locations and subdued by force.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1008.html
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Pay attention SAM, today if the Native American were to follow the Tenets of Islam, and your political bent, they would be doing so today, and they have the capability to do so today.

But they haven't and don't.

You are the one who is so worried about what happened, We aren't, it is over, and We are moving on as a people.
 
So they were just pretending for the 200 years that they massacred the settlers? Today, they are powerless. Maybe, like the US, tomorrow someone will give them billions of dollars of weapons and they will want to return to their state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_Self-Determination

This was in 1992

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http://www.dickshovel.com/500.html

Of course you've moved on, its not your nation that was stolen. :rolleyes:
 
Neither was South Africa or Germany. I can still recognise oppression when I see it.
 
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