Israeli/Hamas disregard for human life.

[Buffalo Roam]

Huh?

http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=636

Are you like, completely clueless?

All you have done with that chart is show that Jews have been in the Palestine as a indiginous people from before 1914, and as such being a seperat and distinct people from the Arabs of Palestine, have the right to self determination.

The Chart also show the legal residents of The Palestine as the numbers of illegals were not known.

Illegals wouldn't present themselves to be identified as such.

Thank you for showing that the Jews are indiginous to The Palestine.

 

[S.A.M.]

Europeans have been in the US for several hundred years too. But they are not indigenous. Do you know what indigenous means? You can't live in Russia for 1000 years and be indigenous to the middle east. By your logic we are all indigenous to Africa.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Neither was South Africa or Germany. I can still recognise oppression when I see it.

Do you recognize the oppression of Islam? the century of it, from the Arabian
Peninsula, to the Morros of the Philippines, to the Gates of Europe, and the conquest of North Africa and Spain.

Just look at the History of the Muslims in India, oppression murder and subjugation.

Yes, the Ghettos of Islam where those who remained faithful to their religion and societies were confined so as not to offend the sensibilities of the Muslim Believer.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Europeans have been in the US for several hundred years too. But they are not indigenous. Do you know what indigenous means? You can't live in Russia for 1000 years and be indigenous to the middle east. By your logic we are all indigenous to Africa.

SAM, if you are born in the land you are indigenous, you parents may not be indigenous, but you are.

And history shows that Jews have always been in The Palestine.

Most of the So called Palestinians are no longer indigenous as they weren't born in the The Palestine.

Your own logic state so.

 

[StrawDog]

SAM, if you are born in the land you are indigenous, you parents may not be indigenous, but you are.

And history shows that Jews have always been in The Palestine.

Mizrahim yes, but NEVER EVER (until recently) Ashkenazim and Sephardim, who are European and in the vast majority.

Most of the So called Palestinians are no longer indigenous as they weren't born in the The Palestine.

Where did you find this little gem?

 

[S.A.M.]

He doesn't know the meaning of indigenous. I bet he thinks Indians born in the US are native Americans.

The Torah itself puts Abraham in Ur, which is in Iraq.

 

[dysplasia]

Yes, well, they want that back too.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

He doesn't know the meaning of indigenous. I bet he thinks Indians born in the US are native Americans.

The Torah itself puts Abraham in Ur, which is in Iraq.

SAM, the Jews are Indigenous to the area, more so than the Arabs, as that was the land of their origin.

The Quran even confirms this.

But still if you are born on the land you are indigenous, as you weren't born anywhere else.

And every generation that you and your progeny contribute to the land is indigenous.

The only Arabs who can claim to be Indigenous to the Lands west of the Jordan River are those who were born their.

If they were born any were else they are Arabs, or Americans, of Egyptians, .......

The Torah itself puts Abraham in Ur, which is in Iraq

And Moses led the Children of Israel to the Land of Milk and Honey, Israel.

 

[S.A.M.]

So a Russian Muslim is indigenous to Mecca? He's really an Arab? What about a Chinese Muslim? He an Arab too? Indonesian Muslim, is he Arab?

And Moses led the Children of Israel to the Land of Milk and Honey, Israel

Or so they say. How do you know the Hebrews were the Israelis of ancient times? Their closest genetic cousins are Kurds, who are more Turkic, ie Asian, than Arab. And have no relation to the Levant.

 

[StrawDog]

Yes, lets be honest, and then look at what Hamas has done for the last 8 years.

What have they done?

Lets look at what Hamas has done in the dust up.
Let look at the labels applied to the last incursion by Israel in to the Hamas, caused by Hamas continuos arms smuggling and attacks against the people of Israel.

So ... a couple of home made rockets so devastated the Israeli heartland that they felt it appropriate to launch a genocidal attack (not to mention countless attacks in the past) on a civilian population with no means to defend themselves or escape? Slaughtering 1300 Palestinians is a proportionate retribution for the actions of a few desperate Palestinians?

Israel committing a Genocide? :roflmao: that accusation has about as much validity as that there are little green men on the moon, which is made of green cheese.

Well, then I suggest you get some crackers as there is PLENTY green cheese.

You hide behind your liberal veneer of I don't approve of any deaths, and yet the only people you have criticized are the Israelis.

OK, I will say AGAIN. On the record. I do not condone indiscriminate acts of violence against civilians, men, woman and children, by any organization, including Hamas. I would urge an unconditional end to violence from both parties, and the commencement of unconditional dialogue.

You have not addressed any of Hamas's terrorist activities, or the suicide bombing which are nothing but murder of innocents, or the continuos rocket and mortar attacks that never stop.

You are so naive its almost cute. I address the circumstance of the oppressed. If Israel could concede to the following below, there would be an end to violent protest.

Our Mission

Jews Against the Occupation is an organization of progressive, secular and religious Jews of all ages throughout the New York City area advocating peace through justice for Palestine and Israel. Our points of unity are as follows:

NO OCCUPATION IN OUR NAME

We as American Jews reject the Israeli government assertion that it is "necessary" to subjugate Palestinians for the sake of keeping Jews safe. We assert that security can only come from mutual respect, and that the occupation of Palestine is only worsening the position of Jews in the Middle East and around the world.

RESTORE HUMAN & CIVIL RIGHTS

The Israeli military fires bone-crushing rubber bullets and live ammunition at unarmed Palestinian civilians engaged in peaceful protest, failing to distinguish between peaceful and violent resistance. The Israeli government has been demolishing Palestinian houses and crops in the Occupied Territories, while allowing Jewish settlers -- many of them American -- to illegally occupy the same land.

END U.S. AID TO ISRAEL

The U.S. government provides more aid to Israel than to any other country—the vast majority of this is for military purposes. Billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars have propped up the occupation and fueled the Israeli government’s war machine (as well as disguising the occupation’s true cost). This aid must end.

STOP ECONOMIC ATTACKS ON PALESTINE

The Israeli government has attacked the Palestinian economy by: closing Palestinian banks; imposing extreme taxes on business; withdrawing operating licenses; destroying industrial equipment; bulldozing farmland and banning fishing; restricting workers' movement; controlling the export of Palestinian goods; closing the borders of the Occupied Territories; and refusing to fund infrastructure like water and electricity -- even in Arab villages within Israel.

LET PALESTINIANS RETURN HOME

Thousands of Palestinians were driven out of their houses and off of their farms during and after the creation of Israel. They must be allowed to return to their homeland.

Yes, be lets be honest, you aren't interested in Honest Debate.

Of course I am. But you need to pay attention.

Shalom

 

[S.A.M.]

Do you recognize the oppression of Islam? the century of it, from the Arabian
Peninsula, to the Morros of the Philippines, to the Gates of Europe, and the conquest of North Africa and Spain.

Just look at the History of the Muslims in India, oppression murder and subjugation.

Yes, the Ghettos of Islam where those who remained faithful to their religion and societies were confined so as not to offend the sensibilities of the Muslim Believer.

The two world wars, the Spanish inquisition, the dispossession and genocide of native peoples, nuclear bombing of civilians, the Holocaust, the ongoing repression of underprivileged peoples to steal their resources, the massacre of millions of godless commies, the ongoing invasion, mass murder and occupation of innocent peoples?

 

[StrawDog]

I wonder what Buffalo really thinks of native Americans. Did they not struggle for 200 years? Were they terrorists?

Them Injuns wid them darned flamin arrows rainin down on the good white folk is the work of the devil! Lets git a posse together and do the Lords work.

 

[S.A.M.]

Them Injuns wid them darned flamin arrows rainin down on the good white folk is the work of the devil! Lets git a posse together and do the Lords work.

Ah yes, they were devil worshippers!

David E. Stannard wrote:

"Hundreds of Indians were killed in skirmish after skirmish. Other hundreds were killed in successful plots of mass poisoning. They were hunted down by dogs, 'blood-Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives [mastiffs] to seize them.' Their canoes and fishing weirs were smashed, their villages and agricultural fields burned to the ground. Indian peace offers were accepted by the English only until their prisoners were returned; then, having lulled the natives into false security, the colonists returned to the attack. It was the colonists' expressed desire that the Indians be exterminated, rooted 'out from being longer a people upon the face of the earth.' In a single raid the settlers destroyed corn sufficient to feed four thousand people for a year. Starvation and the massacre of non-combatants was becoming the preferred British approach to dealing with the natives." 4

http://www.religioustolerance.org/genocide5.htm

I am so proud of the God fearing people for removing these vermin. :bugeye:

 

[Buffalo Roam]

So they were just pretending for the 200 years that they massacred the settlers? Today, they are powerless. Maybe, like the US, tomorrow someone will give them billions of dollars of weapons and they will want to return to their state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_Self-Determination

This was in 1992

http://www.dickshovel.com/500.html

Of course you've moved on, its not your nation that was stolen.

SAM, guess what they suceeded,

Ada Deer, she is from just down the road where live, Keshena, 36 miles.

I have talked to Her many times at POW WOW.

And yes we have moved on, I will give her your reguards, She will get a kick out of your opinion.

Ada was Assistant Secretary of the Interior in 1993, and head of the Bureau of Indian Affairs from 1993–1997, along with being a delegate to the United Nations Rights Committee.

A outstanding Lady.

 

[StrawDog]

SAM, guess what they suceeded,

Ada Deer, she is from just down the road where live, Keshena, 36 miles.

I have talked to Her many times at POW WOW.

And yes we have moved on, I will give her your reguards, She will get a kick out of your opinion.

Ada was Assistant Secretary of the Interior in 1993, and head of the Bureau of Indian Affairs from 1993–1997, along with being a delegate to the United Nations Rights Committee.

A outstanding Lady.

Your favorite token Injun.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Your favorite token Injun.

Again you prove your liberal PC, bigotry.

Talk to Bill Clinton, he was the one who chose Her for those Positions.

 

[StrawDog]

Again you prove your liberal PC, bigotry.

Talk to Bill Clinton, he was the one who chose Her for those Positions.

So she is Bill`s favorite token Injun as well? How many other Injuns are in IMPORTANT EXECUTIVE government positions?

 

[spidergoat]

Ah yes, they were devil worshippers!


http://www.religioustolerance.org/genocide5.htm

I am so proud of the God fearing people for removing these vermin. :bugeye:

Uh, "your" people would have also considered them godless heathen.

 

[StrawDog]

Uh, "your" people would have also considered them godless heathen.

On what do you base this assumption?

"Evidence for diverse migrations into the New World also comes from Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) research on living American Indian populations. These studies have consistently shown similarities between American Indians and recent populations in Asia and Siberia, but also unique American characteristics"

(http://www.si.edu/Encyclopedia_SI/nmnh/origin.htm)

 

[Buffalo Roam]

So a Russian Muslim is indigenous to Mecca? He's really an Arab? What about a Chinese Muslim? He an Arab too? Indonesian Muslim, is he Arab?

Or so they say. How do you know the Hebrews were the Israelis of ancient times? Their closest genetic cousins are Kurds, who are more Turkic, ie Asian, than Arab. And have no relation to the Levant.

Genetic cousins? :roflmao:

Yes, as only Muslims can travel to Mecca.

Entry forbidden for Non-Muslims
Non-Muslims are not permitted to enter Mecca by Saudi law.

^ a b Peters, Francis E. (1994). The Hajj: The Muslim Pilgrimage to Mecca and the Holy Places. Princeton University Press. pp. 206. ISBN 069102619X.
^ http://www.themiddleeastnow.com/saudioppression.html