Israeli/Hamas disregard for human life.

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SAM, the Jews are Indigenous to the area, more so than the Arabs, as that was the land of their origin.

The Quran even confirms this.

But still if you are born on the land you are indigenous, as you weren't born anywhere else.

And every generation that you and your progeny contribute to the land is indigenous.

The only Arabs who can claim to be Indigenous to the Lands west of the Jordan River are those who were born their.

If they were born any were else they are Arabs, or Americans, of Egyptians, .......



And Moses led the Children of Israel to the Land of Milk and Honey, Israel.:D

Are you stupid. Guess what religious texts mean jack shit. The do not depict an acurrate view of history. and of course the fucking Koran is going to say jews are from palestine Its based on the torah and bible.
 
hey buffalo indigenous means what
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples
can you say owned.

Can you read? again you demonstrate you lack of word comprehension, from your own citation:

The term indigenous peoples or autochthonous peoples can be used to describe any ethnic group of people who inhabit a geographic region with which they have the earliest known historical connection, alongside migrants which have populated the region and which are greater in number

The Jews are a ethnic people who have from the earliest times occupied the a geographic region called Israel, (and have the earliest known connection), and sometimes Palestine, the Arabs of Palestine didn't show up until 638CE.

The first references to the Jews are from 1350 BCE, so guess what:

So can you say pwnd.
 
Yeah, not ones who migrated to some place 4000 years ago then migrated again 2000 years ago. Most Jews are Europeans.

Just like recent immigrants to the US are not native Americans, even if they have ancestors who 50,000 years ago might have been common with them.
 
Yeah, not ones who migrated to some place 4000 years ago then migrated again 2000 years ago. Most Jews are Europeans.

Just like recent immigrants to the US are not native Americans, even if they have ancestors who 50,000 years ago might have been common with them.

SAM, the Genetic Markers do not support you at all.

Your own citation doesn't even support this.
 
I wonder how many Israeli geneticists/anthropoligists support the idea that genetics was invented to support a claim to some land?
 
SAM, the Genetic Markers do not support you at all.

Your own citation doesn't even support this.

They do. Kurds, Turks and Armenians are from east Mediterranean. As their genetic cousins, so are Jews. But thats beside the point. Are white Americans not American? Should they go back to where they came from?

Russian Jews are Russian, German Jews are Germans, American Jews are American. If they cannot be loyal to the place they have lived in for hundreds/thousands of years, thats not a Palestine problem. Thats their problem.
 
Can you read? again you demonstrate you lack of word comprehension, from your own citation:

The term indigenous peoples or autochthonous peoples can be used to describe any ethnic group of people who inhabit a geographic region with which they have the earliest known historical connection, alongside migrants which have populated the region and which are greater in number

The Jews are a ethnic people who have from the earliest times occupied the a geographic region called Israel, (and have the earliest known connection), and sometimes Palestine, the Arabs of Palestine didn't show up until 638CE.

The first references to the Jews are from 1350 BCE, so guess what:

So can you say pwnd.

So what about the 2 or 3 civs that predated the israelites?
 
So what about the 2 or 3 civs that predated the israelites?

So who were they? and do they exist today?

They weren't Arab by any means.

Historical context:

It has been argued that the Israelites were themselves Canaanites, and that "historical Israel", as distinct from "literary" or "Biblical Israel" was a subset of Canaanite culture.[29] "Canaan" when used in this sense refers to the entire Ancient Near Eastern Levant down to about 100 AD, including the kingdoms of Israel and Judah.[29] For example, Mark Smith in "The Early History of God: Yahweh and Other Deities of Ancient Israel" states "Despite the long regnant model that the 'Canaanites' and Israelites were people of fundamentally different culture, archaeological data now casts doubt on this view. The material culture of the region exhibits numerous common points between Israelites and 'Canaanites' in the Iron I period (ca. 1200-1000 BC). The record would suggest that the Israelite culture largely overlapped with and derived from 'Canaanite' culture... In short, Israelite culture was largely Canaanite in nature. Given the information available, one cannot maintain a radical cultural separation between Canaanites and Israelites for the Iron I period." (pp6-7).[40]

^ a b c Tubb, Johnathan N. (1998) "Canaanites" (British Museum People of the Past) p.16

^ Smith Mark (2002) "The Early History of God: Yahweh and Other Deities of Ancient Israel" (Eerdman's)
 
Here, read this:


An invention called 'the Jewish people'


Israel's Declaration of Independence states that the Jewish people arose in the Land of Israel and was exiled from its homeland. Every Israeli schoolchild is taught that this happened during the period of Roman rule, in 70 CE. The nation remained loyal to its land, to which it began to return after two millennia of exile. Wrong, says the historian Shlomo Zand, in one of the most fascinating and challenging books published here in a long time. There never was a Jewish people, only a Jewish religion, and the exile also never happened - hence there was no return. Zand rejects most of the stories of national-identity formation in the Bible, including the exodus from Egypt and, most satisfactorily, the horrors of the conquest under Joshua. It's all fiction and myth that served as an excuse for the establishment of the State of Israel, he asserts.

According to Zand, the Romans did not generally exile whole nations, and most of the Jews were permitted to remain in the country. The number of those exiled was at most tens of thousands. When the country was conquered by the Arabs, many of the Jews converted to Islam and were assimilated among the conquerors. It follows that the progenitors of the Palestinian Arabs were Jews. Zand did not invent this thesis; 30 years before the Declaration of Independence, it was espoused by David Ben-Gurion, Yitzhak Ben-Zvi and others.

If the majority of the Jews were not exiled, how is it that so many of them reached almost every country on earth? Zand says they emigrated of their own volition or, if they were among those exiled to Babylon, remained there because they chose to. Contrary to conventional belief, the Jewish religion tried to induce members of other faiths to become Jews, which explains how there came to be millions of Jews in the world. As the Book of Esther, for example, notes, "And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them."

Zand quotes from many existing studies, some of which were written in Israel but shunted out of the central discourse. He also describes at length the Jewish kingdom of Himyar in the southern Arabian Peninsula and the Jewish Berbers in North Africa. The community of Jews in Spain sprang from Arabs who became Jews and arrived with the forces that captured Spain from the Christians, and from European-born individuals who had also become Jews.

The first Jews of Ashkenaz (Germany) did not come from the Land of Israel and did not reach Eastern Europe from Germany, but became Jews in the Khazar Kingdom in the Caucasus. Zand explains the origins of Yiddish culture: it was not a Jewish import from Germany, but the result of the connection between the offspring of the Kuzari and Germans who traveled to the East, some of them as merchants.

We find, then, that the members of a variety of peoples and races, blond and black, brown and yellow, became Jews in large numbers. According to Zand, the Zionist need to devise for them a shared ethnicity and historical continuity produced a long series of inventions and fictions, along with an invocation of racist theses. Some were concocted in the minds of those who conceived the Zionist movement, while others were offered as the findings of genetic studies conducted in Israel.

Prof. Zand teaches at Tel Aviv University. His book, "When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?" (published by Resling in Hebrew), is intended to promote the idea that Israel should be a "state of all its citizens" - Jews, Arabs and others - in contrast to its declared identity as a "Jewish and democratic" state. Personal stories, a prolonged theoretical discussion and abundant sarcastic quips do not help the book, but its historical chapters are well-written and cite numerous facts and insights that many Israelis will be astonished to read for the first time

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/959229.html
 

Ah yes, revisionisim at it's best.

Prof. Zand teaches at Tel Aviv University. His book, "When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?" (published by Resling in Hebrew), is intended to promote the idea that Israel should be a "state of all its citizens" - Jews, Arabs and others - in contrast to its declared identity as a "Jewish and democratic" state. Personal stories, a prolonged theoretical discussion and abundant sarcastic quips do not help the book, but its historical chapters are well-written and cite numerous facts and insights that many Israelis will be astonished to read for the first time.

Yes, I would believe that that many Israelis would be astonished, as there is no support for his history.

Shlomo Z/Sand (Hebrew: שלמה זנד‎, born 10 September 1946; sometimes transliterated as "Shlomo Zand") is Professor of History at Tel Aviv University in Israel. His main areas of teaching are Cinema and History, French Intellectual History, and Nation and Nationalism.

Z/Sand was born in Linz, Austria, to Polish Jewish survivors of the Holocaust. His parents had Communist and anti-imperialist views and refused to receive compensations from Germany for their suffering during the Second World War.

His military experience during the 1967 war, and his boredom following its end, led him to leave the Union of Israeli Communist Youth (Banki) and join the more radical, and anti-Zionist, Matzpen in 1968.

Yes, far from a unbiased view.
 
There is no support for his history that Jews are coming from Europe Russia and America?

Why do German Jews look German? Why do Russian Jews look Russian?
 
More on Israeli disregard for human life.

Strong Indications of Violations of the Laws of War, U.S. Law, and War Crimes Found in the Gaza Strip

We are a delegation of 8 American lawyers, members of the National Lawyers Guild in the United States, who have come here to the Gaza Strip to assess the effects of the recent attacks on the people, and to determine what, if any, violations of international law occurred and whether U.S. domestic law has been violated as a consequence.
Conclusions

This delegation is seriously concerned by our initial findings. We have found strong indications of violations of the laws of war and possible war crimes committed by Israel in the Gaza Strip. We are particularly concerned that most of the weapons that were found used in the December 27 assualt on Gaza are US-made and supplied. We believe that Israel's use of these weapons may constitute a violation of US law, and particularly the Foreign Assistance Act and the US Arms Export Control Act.

A report of our initial findings will be compiled and submitted to, among others, members of the United States Congress. We intend to push for an investigation by the United States government into possible violations by Israel of US law. We also hope to contribute our finding and efforts to other efforts by local and international lawyers to push for accountability against those found responsible for the egregious crimes that we have documented.
(http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/02/08-0)

Hopefully this will lead somewhere positive.
 
More on Israeli disregard for human life.

Strong Indications of Violations of the Laws of War, U.S. Law, and War Crimes Found in the Gaza Strip





(http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/02/08-0)

Hopefully this will lead somewhere positive.

Did you look at the names of that unbias Delegation???

Huwaida Arraf
Noura Ereka
Radhika Sainath
Reem Salahi

One of which even has a 'Palestinian' land line...could it be possible that they were sympathetic?
 
Israel's prime minister has said that no long-term ceasefire will be agreed with Hamas unless an Israeli soldier captured in 2006 is released.

"Israel will not reach any understandings regarding the calm before the release of Gilad Shalit," a statement from the office of Ehud Olmert said on Saturday.
(http://uruknet.info/?p=m51783&hd=&size=1&l=e)

The Israeli pretext for continuing assaults on a captive population. Any comments?
 
If they released him a bit at a time, as in: an arm, a leg, a toe... would that be responsible for deaths for each part?
Or would it be responsible for the death of a young man who should have known better than to believe in his superior Jewish bloodline, and his God-given right to kill Palestinians?
(just curious)
 
If they released him a bit at a time, as in: an arm, a leg, a toe... would that be responsible for deaths for each part?
Or would it be responsible for the death of a young man who should have known better than to believe in his superior Jewish bloodline, and his God-given right to kill Palestinians?
(just curious)


You're talking about a human life you vile bastard, an individual who people in my community grew up with, a person who's real to me.
 
What's vile about fighting in a war, you oversensitive person you? I thought I was talking about a soldier, a soldier is not a 'person', according to the rules of war, they're a combatant whose life is at risk - in an unjustified, illegal war, as if there's such a thing as justified war, it's even riskier.
(so that's what curiosity gets ya, huh?)
 
Israel Treated Gaza Like Its Own Private Death Laboratory

Israel tested out a "focused lethality" weapon that minimizes explosive damage to structures while inflicting catastrophic wounds on its victims.

Erik Fosse, a Norwegian cardiologist, worked in Gaza hospitals during the recent war."It was as if they had stepped on a mine," he says of certain Palestinian patients he treated. "But there was no shrapnel in the wound. Some had lost their legs. It looked as though they had been sliced off. I have been to war zones for 30 years, but I have never seen such injuries before."
(http://www.alternet.org/story/126724/?page=entire)

But the Zionists are wailing for the return of Shalit. Yet they display NO compassion for human life in Gaza.
 
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