Israeli/Hamas disregard for human life.

[StrawDog]

Rabbis' merciless booklets justified Gaza atrocities

Israeli Defense Ministry admits to distributing a booklet written by military Rabbis which asked troops to show no mercy against Palestinians.

(http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=85143&sectionid=351020202)

This is simply grotesque. More official Judaic endorsement of murder. Any comments?

 

[StrawDog]

Fascism has become a serious player in the Israeli public domain. The three main parties have now legitimized it. This phenomenon must be stopped before it is too late. So, how shall I vote this coming Tuesday? Asks Uri Avnery.

If this is to be the core of the next coalition, we shall have an extreme nationalist-racist government, a government that will reject outright any possibility of ending the occupation, setting up a Palestinian state and evacuating the settlements.

(http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=30287)

I am not alone in my appraisal of the situation. Any comments?

 

[pjdude1219]

What I mean is that pre 1947 Jews could not (honestly) call themselves Israelis. Can I call myself a Goth?

dude please don't set your self up for snide comments like this. yes you could call your self a goth if you belonged to that subculture and if you can manage to prove a link to either of the groups of goths(ostrogoths or visagoths) than yes you can.

 

[StrawDog]

dude please don't set your self up for snide comments like this. yes you could call your self a goth if you belonged to that subculture and if you can manage to prove a link to either of the groups of goths(ostrogoths or visagoths) than yes you can.

If I can prove a link to the Visigoths, does that guarantee me the right of return to France?

 

[Buffalo Roam]

(http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=30287)

I am not alone in my appraisal of the situation. Any comments?

Neither am I as to who are the Fasicst, seem's that Hitler is on the best sellers list in Arab Countries.

Bambooweb: Mein KampfAn Arabic edition of Mein Kampf has been published by Bisan publishers in Lebanon. It ranks on the best-seller list among Palestinian Arabs. ...
www.bambooweb.com/articles/m/e/Mein_Kampf.html - 24k - Cached - Similar pages

[PDF] Their Kampf - Hitler's book in Arab handsFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Apr 8, 2006 ... countries fresh editions of Mein Kampf in half a dozen languages. In ... It is available in London stores selling Arabic books. ...
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/pdf/Archive/Talk/talk.politics.mideast/2006-04/msg00034.pdf

Amazon.com: Locked Doors: The Seizure of Jewish Property in Arab ...Locked Doors: The Seizure of Jewish Property in Arab Countries .... Sell a Digital Version of This Book in the Kindle Store ... the daily newspaper, al-Allem al-Arabi, Levin writes, and began publishing an Arabic-language Mein Kampf. .... Best background on the Arab-Israeli conflict: A list by Alyssa A. Lappen ...
www.amazon.com/Locked-Doors-Seizure-Property-Countries/dp/0275971341 - 293k -

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Contradiction in Arab cartoon viewsFeb 13, 2006 ... They also sell Hitler's autobiography, Mein Kampf. ... in many Arab and Muslim countries anti-Semitism is widespread. ... He argues that selling the book is "freedom of expression and that liberty is the best way". ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4701162.stm

But on closer inspection, both kiosks openly stock the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a notorious anti-Semitic text that purports to be an account of Jewish plans to rule the world, but was actually written by Tsarist secret police in 1905.

They also sell Hitler's autobiography, Mein Kampf.

But when it comes to selling the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, he says: "The book is about politics not about religion. I don't have a problem with books criticising politics."

Historians push for new 'Mein Kampf' - Europe- msnbc.comApr 29, 2008 ... "Mein Kampf" was banned from publication after World War II. ... has sought to block it from publication and sale in some countries. ... in the Arab world and in Turkey, where it became a surprise best-seller in 2005. ...
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24371007/ - 50k - Cached - Similar pages





http://wwwjackbenimble.blogspot.com/2005/03/mein-kampf-best-seller-in-turkey.html

March 24, 2005
'Mein Kampf' a Best Seller in Turkey

This is somewhat disturbing to read.

"ISTANBUL, Turkey - Turkish bookshops have a best seller, but some of them are hesitant about giving it too much display.

It's "Mein Kampf."

 

[StrawDog]

Neither am I as to who are the Fasicst, seem's that Hitler is on the best sellers list in Arab Countries. It's "Mein Kampf."

That would seem to indicate that the Western political system called "Democracy", that disregards international law, invades innocent sovereign nations at will, and regards human rights abuses such as TORTURE acceptable, to be morally, ethically and politically defunct.

Its no wonder the Arabs are looking at alternatives.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

OK, I am happy for you.

Thank You.

You don`t quite get it do you?

You don't get it do you.

This is a unfounded and false statement.

Provide citation.

Simply because Hamas is not committing genocide. Nor is Hamas the instigator (historic and present) and root cause of the conflict.

Hamas is attempting to defend the Palestinians in Gaza from what appears to be genocide perpetrated by an overwhelmingly superior force. In Gaza the people are and have been for 2 years - imprisoned, starved, deprived of medical treatment and medicines, terrorized, assassinated, denied water, denied education, etc.

You really don't get it do you, what was to stop the Israelis from wipping Gaza off the map? Committing a real genocide, not one dammed thing, Hamas? when and were did they stop the Israelis from doing anything they wanted?

Genocide by the Israelis, you have become ludicrious.

Why would I condemn a freely elected government that is resisting unfair oppression?

Because you don't get it, Gaza isn't a separate state in Palestine, as it is now being run by Hamas, Even the West Bank didn't support Hamas in this in any appreciable way.

Gaza under Hamas is in state in rebellion against the legitimate government Fatah of the West Bank.

Hamas staged a civil war that Fatah couldn't stop because it is separated from Gaza.

If you have read my posts I have rejected violence by both parties as a solution to the problem. Unconditional dialogue should be commenced between ALL parties INCLUDING Hamas. Example of similar circumstance: Without the inclusion of the ANC, historically recognized as a terrorist organization, there would have been no solution to the South African apartheid regime.

I have read your post and sorry, that isn't what you come across as supporting, you come across as supporting everything for Gaza.

The reason being that the blame (overwhelmingly) lies at the feet of Israel and its enablers. If you had any humanity you would recognize this very simple reality.

Yes, really, my humanity, well were is your humanity when the best selling book in Gaza is Mein Kampf?

Where is your Humanity when the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion) are consider as truth in the Arab lands and used as a goad to whip up the populous to a anti Zionistist Fever Pitch, which then results in the murder of innocent Jews across the world.

That is were this bull shit about Zionism resided, in a forged document by the Russian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

The forgery contains numerous elements typical of what is known in literature as a "False Document" - a document that is deliberately written to fool the reader into believing that what is written is truthful and accurate even though, in actuality, it is not.[15] It is also one of the best-known and most-discussed examples of literary forgery, with analysis and proof of its fraudulent origin going as far back as 1921.[16]

The forgery is also an early example of "Conspiracy Theory" literature.[17] Written in the first person singular, the text embodies generalizations, truisms and platitudes on how to take over the world: take control of the media and the financial institutions, change the traditional social order, etc. It does not contain specifics

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Strawdog here you go, as to your defense of Hamas:

Middle East

As popular opposition to Israel spread across the Middle East in the years following its creation in 1948, many Arab governments funded new printings of the Protocols, and taught them in their schools as historical fact. They have been accepted as such by many Islamist organizations, such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Reportedly, Arabic editions issued in the Middle East were found on sale as far away as London.[55] There are at least nine different Arabic translations of the Protocols and more editions than in any other language including German.[49] The Protocols also figure prominently in the antisemitic propaganda distributed internationally by the Arab countries and have spread to other Muslim countries, such as Pakistan, Malaysia, and Indonesia.[49]

Yes, where is your humanity in supporting People who believe trash like the Forgeries called the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

All they used it for is a excuse to justify the murder innocent Jews in the Middle East and across the world, and avoid Peace with the claim that they are defending themselves and the world from the Zionist Conspiracy.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

This 2005 Syrian edition includes an "historical and contemporary investigative study" that repeats the blood libel among other antisemitic accusations, and argues that the Torah and Talmud encourage Jews "to commit treason and to conspire, dominate, be arrogant and exploit other countries".

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Rabbis' merciless booklets justified Gaza atrocities


(http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=85143&sectionid=351020202)

This is simply grotesque. More official Judaic endorsement of murder. Any comments?

Yes, as usual your showing your anti Semite roots again and they are black as coal, under your PC correctness.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

It was the "Arab" reality after the Balfour declaration was made known in 1919.

So, what would the US do, different from what the "Arabs" did?

They were the winners, they didn't have to do anything different

 

[pjdude1219]

If I can prove a link to the Visigoths, does that guarantee me the right of return to France?

no. the goths were never the orginal or main resident population of france.

 

[StrawDog]

You really don't get it do you, what was to stop the Israelis from wipping Gaza off the map? Committing a real genocide, not one dammed thing, Hamas? when and were did they stop the Israelis from doing anything they wanted?

Correct. There is nothing stopping them apart from the fact that the world would instantly drop its support for Israel.

Genocide by the Israelis, you have become ludicrious.

Yes, GENOCIDE. Slow genocide, starvation, imprisonment, disease, thirst, terror, assassination and torture. Slow enough to keep the western media friendly and pro Israel, but genocide no less. Word is getting out though.

Genocide In Gaza, Ethnic Cleansing
In The West Bank

(http://www.countercurrents.org/pappe280108.htm)

Israel accused of Gaza 'genocide'

(http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/01/200911321467988347.html)

A Genocide is Engulfing the People of Gaza

(http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4580)

Genocide in Gaza, Arab world silent

(http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=185695)

Gaza: Stop The Genocide

(http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/01/417271.html)

Turkey probes Israel 'war crimes' in Gaza

(http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h3r1nHZtO2_9DBOHY4wVaNNnir6w)

We are witnessing genocide in Gaza

(http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/we-are-witnessing-genocide-in-gaza-1587685.html)

Oktay Akbal: Israel Commits Genocide in Gaza

(http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/62771/oktay-akbal-israel-commits-genocide-in-gaza.html)

etc, ect, etc.

Because you don't get it, Gaza isn't a separate state in Palestine, as it is now being run by Hamas, Even the West Bank didn't support Hamas in this in any appreciable way.

Gaza under Hamas is in state in rebellion against the legitimate government Fatah of the West Bank.

Not so. That is what Israel would have you believe.

NKWETA: Winning the 2006 legislative election, Hamas became the legitimate authority in the Gaza Strip. Still defined as a terrorist organization by the US, International sanctions followed swiftly, with Canada, the US, Israel, and the EU implementing a boycott. According to a Vanity Fair article published in April 2008, the Bush administration approved a covert operation " . . . to give Fatah the muscle it needed to remove the democratically elected Hamas-led government from power . . . ."

(http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2026)

Hamas staged a civil war that Fatah couldn't stop because it is separated from Gaza.

They merely insisted on their democratic right to govern.

I have read your post and sorry, that isn't what you come across as supporting, you come across as supporting everything for Gaza.

Look again.

Yes, really, my humanity, well were is your humanity when the best selling book in Gaza is Mein Kampf?

See other post.

Where is your Humanity when the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion) are consider as truth in the Arab lands and used as a goad to whip up the populous to a anti Zionistist Fever Pitch, which then results in the murder of innocent Jews across the world.

How did this slip out of the box again? Who is talking about the protocols?

 

[StrawDog]

Strawdog here you go, as to your defense of Hamas:

Middle East



Yes, where is your humanity in supporting People who believe trash like the Forgeries called the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

All they used it for is a excuse to justify the murder innocent Jews in the Middle East and across the world, and avoid Peace with the claim that they are defending themselves and the world from the Zionist Conspiracy.

And the Jews invoke the Torah to legitimize the theft of land and their claim to ethnic superiority. Including the employment of genocide to achieve their solution to an Arab free Palestine.

 

[StrawDog]

no. the goths were never the orginal or main resident population of france.

Think Toulouse.

 

[StrawDog]

Yes, as usual your showing your anti Semite roots again and they are black as coal, under your PC correctness.

How am I an anti semite when I condemn indiscriminate murder? I condemn indiscriminate murder and murder directed at non combatants perpetrated by Hamas as well.

Shalom

 

[Buffalo Roam]

How am I an anti semite when I condemn indiscriminate murder? I condemn indiscriminate murder and murder directed at non combatants perpetrated by Hamas as well.

Shalom

I have ask you to provide your post showing such, you have yet to do so, lets see the history of such impartiality.

I can find no post where you don't blame Israel for everything, and excuse Hamas for all things.

 

[StrawDog]

I have ask you to provide your post showing such, you have yet to do so, lets see the history of such impartiality.

I can find no post where you don't blame Israel for everything, and excuse Hamas for all things.

I did not claim to be impartial on this issue. I support human rights. In this case the abuses are perpetrated by Israel and directed against the Palestinians. Hamas is their legitimate government, thus I support the Palestinians and Hamas. No different from my support of the ANC during the struggle years in South Africa.

Once again, I do not condone the indiscriminate use of violence by any party.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

And the Jews invoke the Torah to legitimize the theft of land and their claim to ethnic superiority. Including the employment of genocide to achieve their solution to an Arab free Palestine.

How about the Quran?

It gives the land to the Jews also.

The Koran and the Jews

The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites to conquer the Land:

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

Moreover - and those who try to use Islam as a weapon against Israel always conveniently ignore this point - the Holy Qur'an explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel before the Last Judgment - where it says: "And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=134C7CDA-8B3A-44A2-AC6C-792B0B25F0EE

By Jamie Glazov
FrontPageMagazine.com | June 3, 2004

Frontpage Interview's guest today is Prof. Khaleel Mohammed, Assistant Professor at the Department of Religious Studies at San Diego State University.

The Qur'an in Chapter 5: 20-21 states quite clearly: Moses said to his people: O my people! Remember the bounty of God upon you when He bestowed prophets upon you , and made you kings and gave you that which had not been given to anyone before you amongst the nations. O my people! Enter the Holy Land which God has written for you, and do not turn tail, otherwise you will be losers."

The Quran goes on to say why the Israelites were not allowed to enter the land for forty years...but the thrust of my analysis is where Moses says that the Holy Land is that which God has "written" for the Israelites. In both Jewish and Islamic understandings of the term "written", there is the meaning of finality, decisiveness and immutability. And so we have the Written Torah (unchangeable) and the Oral Torah (which represents change to suit times). And in the Qur'an we have "Written upon you is the fast"--to show that this is something that is decreed, and which none can change. So the simple fact is then, from a faith-based point of view: If God has "written" Israel for the people of Moses, who can change this?

The Qur'an refers to the exiles, but leaves it open for return...saying to the Jews that if they keep their promise to God, then God will keep the divine promise to them. WE may argue that the present state of Israel was not created in the most peaceful means, and that many were displaced--for me, this is not the issue. The issue is that when the Muslims entered that land in the seventh century, they were well aware of its rightful owners, and when they failed to act according to divine mandate (at least as perceived by followers of all Abrahamic faiths), they aided and abetted in a crime. And the present situation shows the fruits of that action--wherein innocent Palestinians and Israelis are being killed on a daily basis.

Mohammed: The Qur'an states at the very beginning of the second chapter "this is a book wherein there is no doubt, a guide for the God-conscious." Its contents are therefore to be seen by every Muslim as being divinely ordained, and to be followed. The verses on Israel as in 5:20-21 are not there just to be read; they are there to be followed. In Islam also, there is the elemental maxim "Calamity must be removed" (al darar yuzal). Muslms must face up to reality--in the years since Israel has been established, the focus of the region has been to seek to have it removed. And they have been unsuccessful, and there seems to be no hope for success. The pragmatic, proactive thing to do would be to come to grips with reality: Israel is there to stay, and it can exist in a state of peaceful coexistence, or in a stage of bellicosity. The Qur'an tells Muslims that God will not change their position until they change it themselves--and this is a classic example for putting that edict into effect. Only when MUSLIMS themselves accept Israel will they be following their Qur'an. Israel will negotiate from a position of guaranteed security, and while there may be tension from time to time, at least peace will be the norm.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

I did not claim to be impartial on this issue. I support human rights. In this case the abuses are perpetrated by Israel and directed against the Palestinians. Hamas is their legitimate government, thus I support the Palestinians and Hamas. No different from my support of the ANC during the struggle years in South Africa.

Once again, I do not condone the indiscriminate use of violence by any party.

Yes, as long as it is Israel who is using the violence, your posting history is nothing but a anti Israeli rant, and show that there is no condemnation of anyone but Israel.

Yes a PC Liberal Fascist, anti Semite.

Thank you for confirming that fact.

Your posting history show you for the liar you are.

260 post aren't hard to cover, to show what the truth about you is.