Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict

[Undecided]

I am a Christian and I support Israel because Israel does not send children out to kill people.

Do you know why as a Christian you support Israel?

I do not trust the Palestinians they appear to be ruled by savages and complain that they are treated like such.

Maybe because they have been treated as such, who came to the land and kicked 750,000 Arabs out? It wasn't themselves, it was Israel. Who illegally keeps land that is not theirs, who is the one who started this cycle of violence? The Zionists started this, and I suspect they will finish this as well. It's really funny when you consider how Israel became a state, it was through...terrorism! Yes how odd you ignore that factoid.

Both sides are responsible for the horrible state of affairs in the region.

 

[outlandish]

How can a Jews be a Nazi? You would figure that Muslims and Nazis would get along because they hate Jews.

Anyhow, if Israel causes this much trouble, then why don't they just move?

and you're a MOD?? LMAO!!!

Your basic grasp of the concept of "jew" within anthroplogical and theological context is laughable, ...no it's ZERO.

Muslims hate jews? which jews? mizrahi jews have been living side by side with Muslims in peace for centuries, ie arab jews and arab muslims.

which jews coffee? Mizrahi? sephradim? Falasha?

huh?

 

[outlandish]

I am a Christian and I support Israel because Israel does not send children out to kill people. It is really that simple and I also believe that I can trust Israel to keep their agreements. I do not trust the Palestinians they appear to be ruled by savages and complain that they are treated like such. Appearance is a large part of life and they do not even attempt to win the respect or friendship of the larger countries. They just try to destroy them. No wonder their are so many dead Palestinians they are not acting smart so they get chopped down this is a sad reality that will not change

I am a Christian and I support Israel

you are also totaly devoid of any actual knowledge or possesion of facts regarding that of which you speak and as such appear as a fool, who has no self respect and doesn't care that he is embarassing him/herself on a public board.

Israel does not send children out to kill people

yes thats exactly why 20 isreali pilots were courtmashalled because they refused to fly their F-15 jets and helicopter gunships into densley populated palestinian areas. LMAO.

listen up go read up on some actual facts about the reagion, and switch off FOX NEWS for god's sake....you'll kill off whatever few braincells you have rattling around in your skull.

 

[otheadp]

pothead
I'd like to ask you one question, and I'd apreciate an objective sensible answer please.
Now lets take White europeans of Germanic origin who have converted to Islam. Now do these peoples have any valid inherent right to the land which is now "called" Israel? (but the name is irelevant just answer within the context of that land)

I'd apreciate a sensible answer please.

did you intend to write "White europeans of Germanic origin who have converted to Judaism"?

i'll treat your question as if you did

there are flaws in your question:
1) you take it for a fact that "White europeans of Germanic origin" really are of Germanic origin
2) you take for a fact that they converted
3) you say the name "Israel" is irrelevant. it isn't. all the archeological discoveries as well as the Jewish names of places and the old Jewish communities that predate Zionizm are indeed relevant
4) going back to your 1st point, Israel has Jews from all over the middle east. our defense minister is of Farsi origin, so is our president. our foreign minister is a Tunisian Jew, etc.

 

[Whirlwind]

yes thank you Outlandish, you're right. othedap is just a silly zionist not even a proper jew.

43% of America now belive Israel to be the biggest threat to worl peace.
56% of Europeans according to the EU believ Israel is the biggest threat to world peace.

Ohhhh, but you forgot to mention that:

97% of Europeans feel the US is the greatest threat to peace "on the planet!"

As for Zionist Israel, believe me, you take the US weaponry, food stamps and welfare checks away from these UN delinquents and they are the "sweetest" little Kosher cookies in the Arab neighborhood's "Swap Meet!"

 

[Undecided]

Pothead, how does the State of Israel dictate what is Jewish or not? It's not racial I can tell you that. Since it's a religious thing the only claim to that land you have is religious and we all know that the Torah and Talmud forbid entry into that land. Since Jews are supposed to live in exile, this is double speak and hypocrisy at its best I should say potty.

3) you say the name "Israel" is irrelevant. it isn't. all the archeological discoveries as well as the Jewish names of places and the old Jewish communities that predate Zionizm are indeed relevant

Jewish yes Zioinst no, and there are artifacts that predate the first Jewish empire, the Egyptian for example. Should they (being modern day Arabs) have that land? Yes no one denies that there are Jewish religious artifacts in the region. But as it being a religiously based empire, and religiously based society you must follow its teachings.

Revelation 2
I know your afflictions and your poverty-yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

As shown you may think you are "Jewish" but God has already foretold of this "pseudo-Jewish" movement.

4) going back to your 1st point, Israel has Jews from all over the middle east. our defense minister is of Farsi origin, so is our president. our foreign minister is a Tunisian Jew, etc.

Which is great, but that doesn't absolve the fact that state itself is not Jewish.

 

[outlandish]

did you intend to write "White europeans of Germanic origin who have converted to Judaism"?

i'll treat your question as if you did

there are flaws in your question:
1) you take it for a fact that "White europeans of Germanic origin" really are of Germanic origin
2) you take for a fact that they converted
3) you say the name "Israel" is irrelevant. it isn't. all the archeological discoveries as well as the Jewish names of places and the old Jewish communities that predate Zionizm are indeed relevant
4) going back to your 1st point, Israel has Jews from all over the middle east. our defense minister is of Farsi origin, so is our president. our foreign minister is a Tunisian Jew, etc.

1)I meant what I typed.
2) answer the Q
3) the only flaws are in your power of reasoning and rationalisation
4) they're not germanic? LOL...well they certainly aint hebrew israelite.
5) yes the name is relevant, it was palestine before your pals from europe got there.

 

[outlandish]

othdeap this is for you and your other ashkenazim european jews who still harbour delusions of grandeur of being hebrew

israelite:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

 

[otheadp]

3) the only flaws are in your power of reasoning and rationalisation

you're taking myths and [conspiracy] theories as truth, ignoring facts, man... what can i say.
next thing you'll be telling me i'm a Khazar or a German since it's a proven fact

you and your friends keep repeating the same lies and distortions over and over
and you know what they say about a distortion being repeated over and over.

that's just fine. repeat the lies and the hateful propaganda a-la-undecided/whirlwind all you want. but if you are goign to engage in liberation operations, i have one thing for y'all: a tasty hellfire sandwich

and remember:

Jews control the world! ​

 

[Undecided]

repeat the lies and the hateful propaganda a-la-undecided

Care to point them out please pothead? What lie? Where?

 

[Whirlwind]

Laughing weasel: I am a Christian and I support Israel because Israel does not send children out to kill people.

Whirlwind replies: Yup, you're right!

But this is because the US arms the Zionist killers "to the gills" while it disarms the Arabs (Remember, the 40 tons of arms the Israeli's intercepted in 2002 headed for Palestine and the Jews branded them terrorists, and all-the-while, million$ in US arms are simultaneously being imported into Israel to murder Arabs with?) and thus makes these poor devils so desparate that they attack Israeli Merkava tanks with stones, Molotov cocktails and homemade mines.

Psst, if someone blew your house up or demolished it and you were left homeless and on the streets, what would "YOU" do?

Weasel: "It is really that simple and I also believe that I can trust Israel to keep their agreements."

Whirlwind: Hahahaha: P.T. Barnum was right, "A sucker is born every minute!"

1. Oslo I abrogated by Bibi Natanyahu
2. Oslo II, abrogated by Bibi Natantyahu.
3. Waye Plantation Agreement: abrogated by Bibi Natanyahu.
4. 92 UN Resolutions have met with Israel's "stiff middle Finger!"

Do you believe in the BIG KAJUNA, also?

Weasel: I do not trust the Palestinians they appear to be ruled by savages and complain that they are treated like such.

Whirlwind: If by saying "Ruled by Savages" you mean the Zionists, then "wow" you finally got "one thing" right!

Weasel: "Appearance is a large part of life and they do not even attempt to win the respect or friendship of the larger countries."

Whirlwind: Arafat used to visit most countries in Europe before he was "confined the the barracks" by the LIKUDNIKS at PA HQ in Ramallah.

How many LIKUDNIK/Zionist Jews do you see traveling Europe or anywhere except the US? The World Court at "The Hague" has several ICC complaints filed there against "MASS MURDERER" Ariel Sharon and several dozen IDF/IAF F-16 and AH-64A/D Apache/Longbow attack helicopter pilots and IDF commanders and Knesset members - so they stay "close to home" these days.

Note: Henry Kissinger, another Zionist criminal also stays away from Europe, interesting, huh? All dressed up and no place to go Mambo!

Weasel: They just try to destroy them. No wonder their are so many dead Palestinians they are not acting smart so they get chopped down this is a sad reality that will not change.

Whirlwind: If by "Not acting smart" you mean the Palestinian's unwilliness to turn in their primative weapons, get on their knees, and unconditionally surrender, YOU ARE DAMNED RIGHT! The Geneva Convention of 1949 allows the "occupied' parties to RESIST BY ANY MEANS and that includes blowing up IDF check points, "illegal" Jewish Settlements, Buses, and anyone that makes misery on them.

Declaration: I SUPPORT PALESTINIAN RESISTENCE, INCLUDING, CRUISE BOMBERS AND FEEL THAT THE ZIONISTS HAVE EARNED EVERY ATTACK THEY HAVE SUFFERED - AFTER ALL, THE LIFE OF AN OCCUPIER IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE EASY. (See: Fallujah, 04-2004).

BTW: Actually, your types are called "Zionist" Christians and you condone "everything" the LIKUDNIK Zionist killers of Israel commit and all because of a lot of BIBLE STORIES your Momma's read to you when you were babies.

Amazing, the kind of damage we can do to our kids by reading books that promote killing and genocide, huh Weasel?

I suppose you could call the Bible a 2,000 year old V1.0 of MEIN KEMPFT!

Whirlwind....

Epilog: In the XIII century you people were called the Christian "CRUSADERS" and murder and blood letting followed your every step. In my visists to Chile, Peru, Boliva and Ecuador, I saw 1st hand the blood splattered torture chambers where the Inca indians we decapitated, had their eyes burned out with white hot iron pointers and iron chairs where they were tied and then had their genitals sliced off! (most of them built in the basement of the Spanish conquistadors own churches!")

 

[Undecided]

Cognitive Surrender Potty? Just admit it...

 

[Brian Foley]

Suicide Bombing justifiable Palestinian defence

The Palestinians are a completelty vunerable and undefended population , the Palestinians have no Navy , Airforce nor a well equipped Army , only a lightly armed Police force with which to defend themselves . Daily the cowardly Israeli Military conducts lethal raids into Palestinian areas killing dozens of innocents . In order to even things up with the Israelis the Palsestinians must take drastic just action such as suicide bombings . I cannot see any difference between an Israeli F16 fighter plane dropping a 500kg bomb in a crowded Palestinian residential area killing dozens of palestinian non-combatants to that of a Palestinian suicide bomber detonating himself in a Tel Aviv shopping Mall . If I lived in the Gaza Strip under those sub human conditions that the Israelis make the Palestinians live under , I would like to see someone stop me from being a suicide bomber .

 

[Undecided]

These bombings are not helping the Pals. cause, and they are wrong. They should not be done; they only increase the cycle of violence. I understand why some would feel like that, the Pals. need a defense. Their best weapon is international opinion, not bombs. Innocent Israeli's die as a result and they allow Sharon's to take power. Peaceful resistance, and a vocal one will take a long time to show results but it will work. Israel feeds off violence, I don't know why Pals. are giving Israel what it wants. Hamas, and Al Asqa should be disbanded, and a united front against Israeli aggression should be created. Whose purpose is to peacefully protest Israel’s actions, and only use force when attacked.

 

[Brian Foley]

These bombings are not helping the Pals. cause,

It evens the score up and brings home the war to Israel.

and they are wrong. They should not be done;

Who says ? and why arent you saying Israel is wrong to bomb .

Their best weapon is international opinion, not bombs.

Get real .

Innocent Israeli's die as a result

No Israeli is innocent they all bear a responsibility .

Peaceful resistance, and a vocal one will take a long time to show results but it will work.

Thats precisely what they want an intimadated population .

Israel feeds off violence, I don't know why Pals. are giving Israel what it wants. Hamas, and Al Asqa should be disbanded, and a united front against Israeli aggression should be created. Whose purpose is to peacefully protest Israel’s actions, and only use force when attacked.

Been reading Ghandi have you .

 

[Undecided]

It evens the score up and brings home the war to Israel.

Is that what the Pals. really want? Is it in their best interests? Pals. don't have the same abilities as the Israeli's, and they will have a hard time keeping this up. Also the photo ops would be so much better if they peacefully resisted the IDF.

Who says ? and why arent you saying Israel is wrong to bomb .

Did I say that what Israel was doing is right? If anything I condemn Israel even more.

Get real .

I am real; look at Rhodesia, South Africa, India, East Timor, etc. An oppressed people will always prevail, but they have to show the world who the real aggressor is. It took decades but it worked. There were terrorist movements in these countries, but the resounding actions were done by peaceful resistance.

No Israeli is innocent they all bear a responsibility .

In a democracy this does make sense, but I don't think anyone deserves to die for this...

Thats precisely what they want an intimadated population .

No what they want is for the Pals. to attack them so they have reasons to attack, steal land, and the whole lot.

Been reading Ghandi have you

I have been realizing how Zionism works; these attacks merely feed the machine.

 

[otheadp]

i see
so the weak, just by being weak, are the morally and politically right ones by definition
just as socialists, just by being socialists, are the moral ones by definition

the tactics the 'palestinians' are using are a natural war tactic that was used decades, centuries, and millenia ago
you target the civilian population to demoralize and to hurt the enemy

but if they're using it, why should the Israelis limit themselves with some treaties and fancy self-limitations just for the sake of being 'humane'? "if you kill, it better be by the rules!"

if 'palestinians' are doing this, we should do it too. it is only fair and natural
but we, of course, will not resort to these tactics since we are humane and moral. in the least, we will kill only terrorists. in the most, we will accidentally kill civilians, during an attempt to kill or capture terrorists.
as we bury our dead kids after another suicide bombing, we will continue to resort to petty measures such as roadblocks and pin-point operations while seeking a solution via an agreement rather than total annihilation

the 'palestinians' in particular and arabs in general are such stupid tacticians though.
the more savage they get, the more right-wing the Israeli government becomes, and the more assasinations Mossad has to deal with.
if the suicide bombings continue, Moshe Feiglin will come to power. make sure you read his own "road map". believe me when i say, he will get elected if terrorism continues.
and if and when that happens, the 'palestinians' (and the whole world) will be remembering nostalgically about the good old days when Ariel Sharon was in power, when military operations were limited, a 'palestinian' state was still an option, and Arafat was still alive.

and another thing
when you say it's a "defence"...
when you blow up a pizzeria in Jerusalem, how are you protecting someone in Ramallah?
brillinat tacticians indeed

 

[Undecided]

As you can see Brian Foley you give the Israeli's reasons to engage in their racist, expansionist, and illegal activities the more you bomb them. Take away their "reason d'etre" and see how they will squirm...peace is dangerous for a state like Israel.

 

[otheadp]

and see how they will squirm
my G-d nico, you just can't hide your hate, can you?

 

[Brian Foley]

i see
so the weak, just by being weak, are the morally and politically right ones by definition

Israel made the Palestinians weak through oppression they have no option left .

the tactics the 'palestinians' are using are a natural war tactic that was used decades, centuries, and millenia ago
you target the civilian population to demoralize and to hurt the enemy

Palestinains have no other tactic available .

but if they're using it, why should the Israelis limit themselves with some treaties and fancy self-limitations just for the sake of being 'humane'? "if you kill, it better be by the rules!"

Israel doesnt Israel viciously uses it lethal arsenal of weapons on a defenceless people without compunction .

if 'palestinians' are doing this, we should do it too. it is only fair and natural

Israel does " Do it " on a grander scale .

we, of course, will not resort to these tactics since we are humane and moral. as we bury our dead kids after another suicide bombing, we will continue to resort to petty measures such as roadblocks and pin-point operations while seeking a solution via an agreement rather than total annihilation

No Israels tactics are one of mass murder , assasination , racial oppression , enforced poverty etc

the 'palestinians' in particular and arabs in general are such stupid tacticians though.
the more savage they get, the more right-wing the Israeli government becomes, and the more assasinations Mossad has to deal with.

All Israeli govts have bordered on the Nazi verge ask any Palestinian who has lived under Zionazism changes in govt mean only new faces policy unchanged .

and another thing
when you say it's a "defence"... when you blow up a pizzeria in Jerusalem, how are you protecting someone in Ramallah? brillinat tacticians indeed

It gives Israelis who are living in a safe protected enviroment (courtesy of Western financing) a taste of their own medicine , albeit a small dose . A brilliant tactic indeed .