Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict

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What hate? Israel, yes I don't like the state of Israel, nor do I like Palestine. I don't want Israeli's to die, as I have said countless times before. I think that Israeli's are innocent as are Pals. "They" are the politicians and the power brokers. I want both sides to live in peace with each other. If you think that's hate, then you don't know the def. of the word is. Although Oth unlike you, I never stated I hated anyone:

these lies will only make me hate you more ya arab (otheadp )

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread...8325#post568325


Indeed, oth can't you hide your hate, and your opinions they sicken all of us.
 
Undecided said:
Get real .

I am real; look at Rhodesia, South Africa, India, East Timor, etc. An oppressed people will always prevail, but they have to show the world who the real aggressor is. It took decades but it worked. There were terrorist movements in these countries, but the resounding actions were done by peaceful resistance.
Honestly those countries you have just named still even in 'independence' are at the mercy of the West just look at Zimbabwe in an attempt to redistributer the land accordingly and fairly the West has seen this as a dangerous attack on the freemarket system and consequently Zimbabwe starves . The condition of Black Sth africa hasnt changed , Try see the bigger picture .
 
are at the mercy of the West just look at Zimbabwe in an attempt to redistributer the land accordingly and fairly the West has seen this as a dangerous attack on the freemarket system and consequently Zimbabwe starves

It was not fair, it was racist, and democracy in the country has gone away. Zimbabwe was a very successful state until 1998 when the land reform began. The reason why Zimbabwe is starving because the farmers that used to fed her have been kicked out.
 
brian I agree with the ethos of the underlying sentiment of what you say.
I also thus support the Al-Aqsa brigades mandate of focussing attacks against the IDF
 
from http://www.zionet.co.il/manhigut/en/view_article_manhigut_en.php3?article_id=206

A totally blind attitude.

>> We do not wish to erase our Jewish identity. On the contrary, we wish to strengthen and develop it. We cannot abandon those regions of the land of the Bible that link us to our identity. On the contrary, we shall make every effort to strengthen our hold over them.

Minute minded "it is all written in religious texts" attitude

When is the BS religion going to be all burned.

Burn all bibles, this book has killed more people than any other.

Just grow up and realise all life forms has a right to exist and walk FREE.

Who is this moronic and vindictive GOD of the bible anyway ?

I would take IT to the world court and have IT executed
 
>> The Arabs cannot be in despair because of what they didn't receive (since they once held everything). Rather, they are full of hope for what seems to them to be the realization of their dream: to eliminate Jewish sovereignty in Eretz Israel.....

......(who were given it by others without asking)


I just love sophism.

When are people going to become real ?
Never metal pois-oning has all in its grip.

it then goes on

>> Fostering their hope was the source of the violence; removing the Arabs' hope of driving us out of our country will instill calm.

Wow, I really can't believe this total madness, total lack of empathy for another human being......


Is this what Shakespear was referring to such a long time ago?
Nothing has changed for these people. Truely sad
 
>> At the end of World War I, Great Britain was awarded a mandate in Eretz Israel by the League of Nations in order to establish a national home for the Jewish people throughout all of Eretz Israel – on both sides of the Jordan. This decision has formed the legal basis for the status of Eretz Israel from the aspect of international law. If Israel wished to do so, it easily could reject out of hand all of the false accusations that Yesha was “illegally conquered.”

A quasi-legal brought about by power is a moral illegal act, there is no justice there........ which can only lead to revolution, exactly what is happening
 
outlandish said:
brian I agree with the ethos of the underlying sentiment of what you say.
I also thus support the Al-Aqsa brigades mandate of focussing attacks against the IDF
Thank you outlandish it is very hard for the Palestinians to sit their and take wrongful oppression and do nothing ! The desparation of the Palestinian situation is evident by the rash act of suicide bombing . This is lost on people , what amazes me the most is the reaction of horror and disgust at the result of a Palestinian suicide bombing but then an almost approval of an IDF airforce raid on a Palestinian refugee camp with no defence !
 
The award for best sophistry goes to....

>> It is natural for "productive nations" to seek to improve the world and add to the world's material and spiritual treasures. While this is not the place to go into the nature of Islamic culture, the reader is invited to attempt to discover a single technological invention, worthwhile musical creation, or any other material or spiritual contribution made by Islamic culture to the world in the last 500 years. "The Bedouin is not the son of the desert, but its father" (the first British High Commissioner). The Biblical curse given to Yishmael, "He will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man…” expresses this culture very well. Those who do not ignore reality will not be surprised to discover a degenerate Islamic society whose motivation is negative.

Some humans know more about what should be than what is.

Maybe they should have a revolution and kick GOD out and take over the "creation process"

Really deep psychology here, shows that there is no respect for their GOD or GOD's creation. The whole argument is pure fabrication, power orientated and totally selfish.

Sophistry at its best.
 
Zarkov said:
>> At the end of World War I, Great Britain was awarded a mandate in Eretz Israel by the League of Nations in order to establish a national home for the Jewish people throughout all of Eretz Israel – on both sides of the Jordan. This decision has formed the legal basis for the status of Eretz Israel from the aspect of international law. If Israel wished to do so, it easily could reject out of hand all of the false accusations that Yesha was “illegally conquered.”

I suggest that those ignoramuses read the 1939 white paper which rescinded the Balfour Declaration and gave that "Ertez Israel" to the Arabs...Israel was illegally conquered then.
 
Undecided said:
These bombings are not helping the Pals. cause, and they are wrong. They should not be done; they only increase the cycle of violence. I understand why some would feel like that, the Pals. need a defense. Their best weapon is international opinion, not bombs. Innocent Israeli's die as a result and they allow Sharon's to take power. Peaceful resistance, and a vocal one will take a long time to show results but it will work. Israel feeds off violence, I don't know why Pals. are giving Israel what it wants. Hamas, and Al Asqa should be disbanded, and a united front against Israeli aggression should be created. Whose purpose is to peacefully protest Israel’s actions, and only use force when attacked.

As we see the "eternal" victims murdering, maiming and displacing Palestinian's (with US financing of-course) in the name of a Greater Eretz Ysriol, many wonder what, if anything, the Jew learned from the Holocaust - is seems they learned NOTHING, NADA, from what the people of the world see happening these days in Ysriol!

Cruel beyond belief, the Zionist Jew has over the past 56+ years been hell bent on punishing the Arabs of Palestine for the "thrashing" the European Jew received in the hands of the Nazi's of Germany. To compare the Jew that lived in Palestine before the Zionist trespassers invaded Palestine is to compare a European "Hyena" to a Palestinian' sheep herders new born lamb.

Devious, sly, clannish, money motivated, prujudiced and like most Middle Easterners, great businessmen, the Jew, like the desert snake, thrives in adversity.

In Germany the Jew dominiated the German economy (Rothchilds) and it was their mistreatment of the German people that created the conditions that brought on the Holocaust. Interestingly enough, while Jews will tell the world the book, song and verse about the German's inhumanity to Jews, they seem to fein amnesia when the question is asked as to "What conditions they created in the German mind that made it so simple for that little Austrian punk with a funny mustache to be able to amalgamate the people's hate for the Jew with what followed - Kristal Knaught, the Brown Shirts, the burning down of the Jews homes and businesses and finally the dreaded Holocaust."

Note: Many people have serious doubts about the SIX MILLION number that Jews like to whip out in search of the worlds pity. But indeed, the number has been a matter of argument and seems to be closer to 50% of that "inflated" number that they state. But NO small number, indeed.

How a people that have suffered the wretched abuses of the Nazi's and the gassing of hundred's of thousands of innocent Jews and still be so cruel to their Palestinian cousin's is beyond most people's comprehension.

Note: The Nazi's offered the Zionists in Germany in 1939 the option to escape to Spain in droves, but the hard headed Zionists refused. "Better one Jewish cow in Palestine than all the German Jews in Spain," they said. The German's offered thousands of Germans marks to each Jew in order to motivate the Zionist Jews of Germany to leave - but they steadfastedly refused.

The Jew loves to brag about the 6 Arab armies they defeated (with Cezh automatic weapons purchased for the Zionist Jews to fight the peacefull Arab farmers of Palestine with funds provided by the NYC and European Jews) and how the WAR OF LIBERATION was won.

Bull Sh!t, they murdered Arabs that fought with, stones, picks, shovel's sticks, old rusty British Enfield rifles, as the Zionist displaced over 700,000 Arabs and hundred's of Palestinian Jews. Not a single latter day Jewish city or village is built on fresh broken ground, because over 400 villages and Mosques were burnt to the ground by the Zionist trespassers, often with screaming Arab women and children still inside and new Jewish setlements were built over the ashes of Palestinian history on sites.

Ariel Sharon a young Russian Zionist serial killer led Jewish terrorist Force-101 who was involved in countless massacres of Palestinians. Moshe Dayan was another Zionist thug that made the desert sands of Palestine flow with Arab blood. David Ben-Gurion, Yatzak Shamir and other Jews that were later to be the leaders of Israel were all complacent in the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent Palestinian Arabs.

So, today as the Palestinians continue to fight the LIKUDNIK Zionist thugs and murderers, and as Bush has given Sharon "permission" to steal 55% of the West Bank as they withdraw from Gaza* the world waits for the Palestinians to continue to attack the Zionists with homemade bombs, stones and bare fists in defense of their precious embryonic Palestine.

Israel will never seek peace in the Middle East as long as the US finances Zionist Israel with billions in US taxpayer dollars and the latest weapons in the US arsenal.

How could they, when they steal 49% of their daily water requirements from the West Bank and Gaza aquifers - so how can they possibly withdraw?

The only hope the Arabs of the ME have is for Iranian nukes to create the same MAD situation that kept the US/USSR rivals in chek for 20+ years.

Meanwhile, we can only pray for the Palestinains and also pray that their bullets fly true and their Molotov cocktails burn hot and that their children's sacrifices of life and limb will not have been in vain!

Sieg Heil!

Whirlwind....

Palestinains: "It not the size of the dog in the fight - its the size of the fight in the dog!"

Charlie Reese, Editor (Ret)
Orlando Sentiniel, Florida.
He wrote this Quote in 1988

*As the Jews offer to withdraw from Gaza, as we speak, they "retain" the right to over-fly Gaza, come back in on a whim, confiscate and sieze anything they feel is a threat to Israel, prohibit the Palestinian's of Gaza any relations with other Arab nations and they demand control of the demographics of Gaza even if Jews no longer occupy the land! (Reminds me of the sovernighty the US is offering Iraq on June 30th, 2004).
 
othedahep or what ever it is, your on drugs. Israel started this mess and the Palestinians aren't just gonna sit back and take shit are they?

http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/palestine/index.htm
Israeli's beating up little kids and elderly mothers with sticks, shooting people, tying them up to tanks and driving to scare everyone.

lucky for you, zionists ban the showing of these in any western country by the media but still without people seeing these atrocities 43% of America believ that israel is the biggest threat to world peace.

if i was a victim of the above, or family member or friend of the victim, or if a just saw what happened then id feel like blowing a few people up too. if i was surronded by 8 meter high walls and Israeli snipers dividng the towns of my own captured country (the walls is in the West Bank sperating the difffernet parts of the west bank, not even in israel), and this wall made all of my workplace, school, hospital over 18km away as a pose to just 3km without the wall, then id be pretty pissed of too.
 
pot head, i am not opposing a jewish state. Jews have been persectued by every single society they ever lived in and their have been atempts to comepletly get rid of them so they deseve a state. the problem is, you have absolutely no fucking rights in Syria, or the West Bank or Gaza or the other lands you want.

your silly argument that just becasue of religous siginificanace you should kick everyone out and take the land is stupid. then why the fuck have you captured Al Aqsa mosque, the third holiest place in Islam! if religion should be able to kick everyone out. under the Muslim empire in Jerusleum, didnt Saladin, save you Jews from the crusades, who wanted to wipe you out. didnt' Saladin, let you freely worship in your Syangoues, he even let a jew open the Mosque daily for the Muslims as a sign to show how everyone was at peace? if it wasn;t for Saladin, jews would be dead in the Arab lands.

also, you treeat the people in the west bank, which is not yours, like shit, in Hebron there are 700 jewish settlers who have all "settled" there only 50 years ago but their are 100,000 Muslims who have been living there for genrations. the 100,000 Muslims, though, on their land, their city ALL have a curfew for the sake of 700 jewish land stealers!

as long as you do things like these, you will continue to be blown up!!!
http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/palestine/index.htm
 
I am a Christian and I support Israel because Israel does not send children out to kill people.
Can anybody here tell me what age the IDF draft kicks in?
What was the average age of the US infantry man in Vietnam?
I believe there was a song about it once.
BTW how old do you have to be to buy beer in the USA?

Too many questions, but thats just me.
Dee Cee
 
YOU MADE ME HUMAN BOMB !

I am the product of your tyranny. You have dissected the leftovers of my country into bits and pieces of shantytowns, ghettoes and concentrations camps. You have cut off my water supply and left me thirsty while you the Israelis bathe in cooled pools not far from where I live. You have uprooted my trees and desecrated my fields making sure I have no way to sustain myself or those who depend on me....

http://www.mideastinfo.com/library/ey-bomb.htm
 
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othedahp, if you;re jewish state is so great then why one Earth do you think 43% of Americans believ it si the greatest threat to world peace along with 56% of Europeans dispite the fact they have not seen any Israeli war criom pictures becasue of the ban on the western media.

if Amnerica didnt save Israel with over 33 Vettos, then the UN would of attacked Israel a decade ago!
 
Israel Feeling The Sting Of Boycotting And International Condemnation!!!

Israel Feeling The Sting Of Boycotting And International Condemnation!!!


Even zionist tours to Israel are shrinking


Only two years ago, it took 50 buses to drive the kids from Young Judea around Israel's highways. This summer only four buses were hired to drive the 14 Americans and 150 Britons from the sister organization Federation of Zionist Youth.

"We have hit rock bottom, from here we can only go up," says Moshik Toledano, vice president of Young Judea in Israel, regarding this year's summer tours. The same sad picture is reflected in other movements that organize summer youth tours here.

These tours, which have been taking place for decades, were so successful in the 1990s that they attained a 100 percent growth rate over that 10-year period.

The findings of a survey that pointed to a rate of assimilation of more than 50 percent among American Jews shook up the community, and contributed to the growing stream of young people aged 15-18 who were sent to Israel during the summer months.


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http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-news-0298.html
 
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Christian Aid calls to sanction Israel
Britain's biggest trade union Unison has now been joined by Christian Aid, one of the country's largest international non-governmental organisations, in urging British MPs to demand the suspension of the European Union-Israel Association Agreement.

This agreement which came into force on 1 June 2000, is an extensive free trade arrangement that liberalises goods and services, permits free movement of capital and economic, social, political and cultural co-operation.

Europe accounts for 23 percent of Israeli exports, and 40 percent of Israel's imports are from Europe.


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http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-news-0093.html
 
Delta Airlines pilot refuses to fly Israeli deputy

A Delta Air Lines subsidiary refused to fly Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Michael Melchior from Cincinnati because the pilot thought Melchior posed a security risk.

Melchior waited on a plane for more than an hour before the pilot evacuated it, saying there was a security risk.

When Melchior disembarked, he said he was told he could not get back on the plane.

The Israeli embassy in Washington has taken the matter up with the State Department, Melchior said.

This is the third time an Israeli official has been pulled from a flight because of a pilot's sense of a security risk.

He deplored the "singling out of Israeli diplomats... and removing them from a plane in such a manner."

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http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-news-0329.html
 
Saudi Arabia bans 200 foreign companies for importing Israeli goods

Saudi Arabia has blacklisted about 200 foreign companies during the past 10 months for importing $150 million of Israeli products into the oil-rich kingdom.

The companies had forged certificates of origin of Israeli products in order to bring them into the Saudi market.

The companies - including 72 from Jordan, 70 from Cyprus, 23 from Egypt and 11 from Turkey - will not be able to trade in Saudi again. The other banned companies come from the United States, Britain, Singapore, Thailand, Portugal and Poland.

Saudi authorities verified the goods originated in Israel after making checks on items imported by the companies, which include vegetables, seeds, mobile phones and other electronic devices.


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http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-news-0302.html
 
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