Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict
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A well maybe now they'd be fucked but that is no where near as certain as you make it out have been.
B if a single state for all palestinians was created when it should have been they would have.
C its such an evil thing where palestinian arabs end up being the majoity in an area they should be the majority.
D no anyone who wants that wants justice. Sorry but just because people think the jews should be held to the same standards and same rules as the rest of humanity doesn't mean we hate them.
ah yes the self determination ploy except the jews had no specific right to self determination in palestine. No matter how much you want it to be other wise self determination is the PEOPLE of a TERRITORY choosing their own political staus. making a country for jews from out side of the territory of palestine is literally the opposite of self determination.
Their can be no legitimacy for a country founded on the flaunting or the standards,rules, and laws of the day.
Saudi Arabia? Egypt? Iran? Pakistan? Lots of flaunting there too.
Then you acknowledge that it is wrong for any party to expel Jewish "settlers" from the West Bank territory. If you are denying people the right to settle in a region based only on their "race," religion or ethnic identification, then you are engaging in ethnic cleansing. The "Palestinians" have been doing this for years, but very few have ever decried them for it.
So I take it that you will now be supporting the defense of Jewish settlements in West Bank?
This is the kind of intellectual dishonesty you would not support in your own country. If Jews built a Jewish settlement in your neighborhood in which non-Jews were not permitted to live and after forcibly evicting the non-Jews with/without compensation, would you accept it? Or to put it in another way, if white people wanted gated communities from which Jews, blacks and hispanics were kept out, is that acceptable to you?
When the establishment of racist colonies in multicultural societies itself should be both illegal and unacceptable how is it "ethnic cleansing" to remove such settlements or make them accessible to all people in the society?
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that is a rather twisted and dishonest take on it.
I will not. In fact, I thought that I had made it clear to you ages ago that I harbored a personal resentment toward you. Did you miss this point? Well, I am stressing the point now: piss off.
Israel and Palestine is not the same issue as South Africa, South Africa was almost pure racial divided, Israel and Palestine is divided mostly by religion, the result is a much more hateful atmosphere, heck the two groups were killing each other even before the formation of Israel when they were one subjugated state, I do believe a sudden fusion at present would results in a horrific blood bath, like the Ramallah lynching times a hundred thousand.
Well, actually, this seemed to be acceptable to you when it was Jews being forced into tiny ghettos. You even opined that they preferred it that way. It doesn't excuse what happening now, but it isn't irrelevant either.
I don't think Jews have ever been "forced" into ghettos. Their laws on kashruth mandate segregation. As you can see in Israel, even in schools. I have no doubt that if a population census was taken by religious inclination you would find similar "ghettos" wherever there are religious Jews in every modern society today. In and of itself there is nothing evil about wanting to live in a religious community or parish or mohalla. Its when you forcibly evict the people already staying there or harass them into leaving by throwing garbage or bags of urine on them that it becomes a problem.
Sure, Sam: every kind, every sect. And the intimidation and pogroms were their fault, as well. No?
/sarc off
Actually a mohalla is not a walled Jewish quarter. I recommend you extend your reading list beyond wikipedia. Or get a pair of glasses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohalla
Its a rough equivalent of a parish, although its not usually exclusively Muslim. ie there is no prohibition from non-Muslims living, working or worshipping there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohalla
Its a rough equivalent of a parish, although its not usually exclusively Muslim. ie there is no prohibition from non-Muslims living, working or worshipping there.
Actually, a mellah is a walled-in Jewish quarter.
So I recommend you extend your reading list beyond wikipedia. Or get a pair of glasses.
Edit: mellah, not mallah.
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Self mandated segregation?, is that why more then 50% of Jews marry outside the faith in America? Let alone the vast majority live in open communities? I'm guess the nazis did not force the Jews into ghettos either?
Perhaps; but we're referring to mellahs, not mohallas. So I'll take Lewis' word over yours.
Not to mention that you're some little way from Morocco, and that you haven't the slightest idea how the meaning of the word changes over distance.So why are you doing this, then? This deliberate disconnect, I mean.
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