Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

[Write4U]

That is just plain rude. This is a blatant and purposeful attempt to derail this thread.

Before you go pointing that finger anywhere else, look at the thread title, and then look at your last dozen or so posts.
You took this thread down the rabbit hole long ago.

Yes, but that's where you are missing the point altogether. Expand your horizons.

Moreover, all those tangently related posts are my response to sincere discussion of the OP and it's implications and effects on doing science.

We can do science without the circus clowns, but we cannot do science without mathematics.

 

[DaveC426913]

Yes, but that's where you are missing the point altogether.

Moreover, all those tangently related posts are my response to sincere discussion of the OP and it's implications and effects of doing science.

Excuses. You're off-topic. You can have no expectation of any comprehensive discussion of the topic if you're not going to abide yourself.

You're just using another one of your threads to peddle your pet notion. You've been warned about doing this by the Mods before.

We can do science without the circus clowns, but we cannot do science without mathematics.

So you did get Exchemist's point after all.

You are the circus clown that science can do without. That's highly relevant to the topic. More than your comments are.

Look, post all you want, just put it in the proper section - PseudoScience, or better yet, Free Thoughts - where it belongs.
You're making a jackass of yourself posting in the science sections, where your free thoughts routinely get eviscerated.

 

[Write4U]

This thread is about Microtubules

Actually it is about emergent consciousness from the microtubular network, which is a common denominator in all of Eukaryotic biology.

A scientific one. This is a science forum.
This subforum is about theories. Yours is not a theory, since - as I just pointed out - it is unfalsifiable.

But posting music circus is acceptable falsifiable scientific critique?

Take this to Free Thoughts, and stay on topic.

Unresponsive to my question.

As always, you spam your own thread with your intelligent universe religion.

If that conclusion is a product of your thought patterns, you are confused about the definition of religion.

Don't be a hypocrite by accusing someone else of dragging it off-topic.

The hypocrisy lies in the "intent" of the post. You call blatant ad hominem dragging a post off-topic? Then you may want to revisit acceptable rules for posting.

I will always answer a sincere post addressed to me. I believe that is good manners when on a public forum.

 

[Write4U]

Excuses. You're off-topic. You can have no expectation of any comprehensive discussion of the topic if you're not going to abide yourself.

That is a totally false an biased statement. It is you who is not engaging in a comprehensive discussion of the topic. All their is, is denial and derision, and ad hominem . My post are all within the limits of proper on-line behavior. You are one acting like an ass.

You're just using another one of your threads to peddle your pet notion. You've been warned about doing this by the Mods before.

F*** O**! (or I'll report you for stalking!)

So you did get Exchemist's point after all.

That surprised you? Very perceptive of you to notice.

You are the circus clown that science can do without. That's highly relevant to the topic. More than your comments are.

I see a little free-thought psychiatry for good measure. P*** Off......

Look, post all you want, just put it in the proper section - PseudoScience, or better yet, Free Thoughts - where it belongs. You're making a jackass of yourself posting in the science sections, where your free thoughts routinely get eviscerated.

LOOK, you just keep making an ass-hole of yourself with your tortured logic and rude communication skills. So, I'll keep eviscerating you. It's almost like fencing with an unarmed man.
You don't like this thread? Stay out of it! You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore!
But stay the hell out of my way. OK?

 

[DaveC426913]

But posting music circus is acceptable falsifiable scientific critique?

Don't take the tongue-in-cheek manner of the post as any less serious a valid point. You are off-topic and posting stuff that has no basis in science and certainly not related to the thread topic.

Users get to do that. Exchemist's post is more germane to the discussion than most of what you've posted in the last few pages.

(or I'll report you for stalking!)

Please do. The more moderator eyes on this thread, the better.

You don't like this thread? Stay out of it! You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore!
But stay the hell out of my way. OK?

No, not OK.
This is not your blog. You have rules you must abide by.
Posting non-science in a science forum is against the rules.
Dragging a thread off-topic by spamming with a pet notion is against the rules.
Preaching one's beliefs for the sake of preaching one's beliefs is against the rules.

You don't like being dragged back on topic? Put your ideas in the right thread.
You don't like being dismantled in a science forum? Post in an appropriate non-science forum.

The rest of us are here to keep some modicum of science in the science forums. We get to do that.

Now, if you don't have anything more to say about microtubules, I'll go ahead and report that this thread has run its course now just serves as a dumping ground for more personal religious spamming. You have been spoken to by the Mods about this before.

 

[Write4U]

This is not your blog.

It is my thread, specifically created on request by moderators. This thread has 1165 recorded posts. About 80% of the submitted materials are in direct support of the proposed role microtubules play in the OP question of emergent consciousness.
The other 20 % is mostly devoted to tangently related subjects, but in view of the overall scope and implication of the OP question, there is plenty room for posting tangently related science. To you this may seem off topic, but then how deep is your understanding of fundamental universal mathematical properties and behaviors. You may disagree with the content but you do not get to JUDGE it's value. That is the definition of prejudicial behavior.

But one thing is a scientific constant. If you don't get your history straight, that's very unscientific and always leads to hypocrisy!!

Your stubborn prejudice borders on religious zealotry. It is your extraneous interference (from ignorance) that is destroying this thread. You are displaying examples of Trumpian behavior patterns. Just create chaos and then blame everyone but yourself, and congratulate yourself for a job "well done".

I don't come into your house and tell you that I don't like the color of your drapes.

 

[exchemist]

It is my thread, specifically created on request by moderators. This thread has 1165 recorded posts. About 80% of the submitted materials are in direct support of the proposed role microtubules play in the OP question of emergent consciousness.
The other 20 % is mostly devoted to tangently related subjects, but in view of the overall scope and implication of the OP question, there is plenty room for posting tangently related science. To you this may seem off topic, but then how deep is your understanding of fundamental universal mathematical properties and behaviors. You may disagree with the content but you do not get to JUDGE it's value. That is the definition of prejudicial behavior.

But one thing is a scientific constant. If you don't get your history straight, that's very unscientific and always leads to hypocrisy!!

Your stubborn prejudice borders on religious zealotry. It is your extraneous interference (from ignorance) that is destroying this thread. You are displaying examples of Trumpian behavior patterns. Just create chaos and then blame everyone but yourself, and congratulate yourself for a job "well done".

I don't come into your house and tell you that I don't like the color of your drapes.

This isn't your house, or your blog.

This thread is in a science forum, Alternative Theories section. As such, it is subject to scrutiny, comment and criticism from all members of the forum. It is not your personal property and you have no editorial rights over what is posted in it.

You have made the thread into a circus, parading pet notions and random video links incontinently , instead of producing evidence that quantum processes in microtubules lead to consciousness.

 

[DaveC426913]

This isn't your house, or your blog.

This thread is in a science forum, Alternative Theories section. As such, it is subject to scrutiny, comment and criticism from all members of the forum. It is not your personal property and you have no editorial rights over what is posted in it.

You have made the thread into a circus, parading pet notions and random video links incontinently , instead of producing evidence that quantum processes in microtubules lead to consciousness.

This.

 

[Write4U]

This isn't your house, or your blog.

It is my thread and I control its content. You have voiced your opinions , now go away .

This thread is in a science forum, Alternative Theories section. As such, it is subject to scrutiny, comment and criticism from all members of the forum. It is not your personal property and you have no editorial rights over what is posted in it.

Nor do you.

You have made the thread into a circus, parading pet notions and random video links incontinently , instead of producing evidence that quantum processes in microtubules lead to consciousness.

Why is it that in a previous post you accused me of excessive and redundant posting on the subject.

Other's have used this thread to post their own perspectives and in the spirit of "good will" and a wide lattitude, I have responded to those posts. I had a very productive exchange with river Now you accuse me of not maintaining control. You've got to be kidding, else you are just a insufferable prick.

I can do without people like you. You bring nothing but antagonism and "bad will" to the table. Your hubris is almost intolerable. You feel qualified to moderate this science forum?
Very Trumpian. Go away!

 

[DaveC426913]

It is my thread and I control its content.

False.

Unless you have more to say about thread topic, it's pretty much run its course.

 

[Write4U]

False.

Well you definitely don't. As I said, you are just a very rude guest. You're not the landlord....your an home invader.

Unless you have more to say about thread topic, it's pretty much run its course.

Yes, we don't have all the answers yet so lets just close this thread because you believe it has finished? And who are you to make that decision?
Are you daft? What is with you trying to shut me down? And you pretend to be science friendly?

You act more like the old religious Inquisition. "Sacrilege! Sacrilege! ......"off with his head"!

This is ongoing cutting edge research. I intend to keep adding developing news to this thread, because
I believe it is very much of general interest. If you don't like it, why don't you go away and leave me to my peaceful informative pursuit?

 

[Beer w/Straw]

I knew there'd be a catch.......

Cool music.

 

[DaveC426913]

You're not the landlord....your an home invader.

I guess we'll add 'how Discussion Forums work' to the list of things you don't understand.

Yes, we don't have all the answers yet so lets just close this thread because you believe it has finished?

No, let's close this thread because no one has added anything in several pages and it has turned into a circus of off-topic woo-spamming by the OP, like so many of his other threads.

We have some quality control to maintain here.

What is with you trying to shut me down? And you pretend to be science friendly?

Yes. Your spam is not science.

This is ongoing cutting edge research. I intend to keep adding developing news to this thread

Then do so. Enough of this pet notion intelligent God universe nonsense. If you're just blogging your pet ideas, then clearly this thread is being abused.

 

[James R]

This thread is in the Alternative Theories subforum.

Given the way this subforum has developed and been used by the members over the years, it is mostly just another version of the Pseudoscience subforum. It's hard to make a meaningful distinction between the two.

As is typical with threads in this subforum, this one is full of what amounts to broadcasted enthusiasm about an unproven claim, without any real attempt on the part of its proponents to prove the claim or to set out conditions under which it might be falsified. Thus, the claims become faith-based, for the most part.

To those of you who are complaining because the thread seems cranky, I suggest you take a look around you and bear in mind the subforum you are choosing to post in. If this was posted in the Science sections, it would be rapidly moved here or to one of the other fringe subforums. In fact, it might have originally appeared in one of the science sections; I don't recall.

I think that the main objection to this thread is not that it contains a lot of unproven claims, but that it doesn't really stay on topic. It seems to be a mess of whatever has taken Write4U's fancy at this particular moment in time. Write4U seems fixated on a small number of themes, but he can't seem to compartmentalise them. They all bleed into each other, and he can't seem to stop himself trying to inject one or more of them into almost every thread he posts in.

Maybe starting a blog would be better than posting your obsessions here, Write4U. What do you think?

One further point: this is a thread in a forum where all members are allowed to post. There's little point in pretending to own or control it. The moderators and site owners have some degree of control; everybody else only has the force of their arguments and personalities to work with. Squabbling over who can hold the bat and ball could be seen as a little childish.

 

[Write4U]

Thank you James for trying to moderate this ridiculous argument.

I think that the main objection to this thread is not that it contains a lot of unproven claims, but that it doesn't really stay on topic. It seems to be a mess of whatever has taken Write4U's fancy at this particular moment in time. Write4U seems fixated on a small number of themes, but he can't seem to compartmentalise them. They all bleed into each other, and he can't seem to stop himself trying to inject one or more of them into almost every thread he posts in.

I agree, but in this thread I have only "introduced" material on microtubules. Any side-tracking is a result of someone else's observation and the introduction of some tangently related subject. As a courtesy I'll answer any post directed to me, regardless of the content or the sub-forum.

Maybe starting a blog would be better than posting your obsessions here, Write4U. What do you think?

It is the moderators job to remind ALL posters of "their responsibility" to stay on topic.

One further point: this is a thread in a forum where all members are allowed to post. There's little point in pretending to own or control it. The moderators and site owners have some degree of control; everybody else only has the force of their arguments and personalities to work with. Squabbling over who can hold the bat and ball could be seen as a little childish

I could not agree more. But do not blame me for side tracking my own post. I have no control of what people post . Post #1172 is a perfect example of an unsolicited non-topical submission. Are you going to chalk that up to my behavior? Every voluntary post that is not in response of someone else's has been on topic. Any diversions are being created outside my control, by other posters!

I just allow them to do that. Besides, as you say, I have no right to control what others post. But I do have the right to answer a post which is directed at me, as all these stupid narrow minded prejudicial attemps at shutting me down have been and I refuse to lay down and play dead. That is not my style.

The current chaos is not of my making!!!!!!! I refuse to take blame for this BS.

As far as compartmentalization is concerned, I have an extra-ordinary ability for compartmentalization, but I also have a pretty keen insight into abstract "common denominators" in various themes and can draw examples and metaphors to show their "universal connectivity" and why that may be pertinent.

If I present evidence in an individual style, it is due the fact that English is my second language and I often use the lesser definitions of words in the dictionary .
But according to the authoritative opinions by some , those lesser known definitions are unacceptable and make me out to be a literary moron, whereas it is the ignorance of the reader that is the problem, not my use of "acceptable" dictionary definitions.

So, I have been given a reputation that is impossible to live down.
I am wrong if I do, I am wrong if I don't.

AFAIK, the moderators are responsible for spotting off topic submissions by any member. It is up to the moderator to remind the poster of that fact not the host of the thread.

I have never lodged a complaint against any poster, even if if I had good cause. I am able to rise above the silly displays of prejudicial behaviors. Coming from an atheist family living in a 95 % religious village, I went through that kind of treatment when growing up. I have outgrown that kind of clan behavior. It's primitive.

 

[exchemist]

Cool music.

Oo-er. Creepy video.

 

[DaveC426913]

I agree, but in this thread I have only "introduced" material on microtubules. Any side-tracking is a result of someone else's observation and the introduction of some tangently related subject.

Pretty sure none of us started with the pseudo-intelligent universe stuff.

You've been told by us - and now it's official from Moderation. Ideally, your subsequent posts will actually be about the thread subject. OK?

 

[Write4U]

Ideally, your subsequent posts will actually be about the thread subject. OK?

It depends if you will allow me to stay on topic. I am not the one starting this crap. I started the thread from the noblest of motives. That it ended up in the gutter is not my fault......

 

[DaveC426913]

It depends if you will allow me to stay on topic.

OK, since we control what you are allowed to do, then do not post anything that is not about microtubules. You've been told. No more mathematical function nonsense. We will direct you back to the path (again) if you drift.

 

[Write4U]

Post 1176 is a blatant attempt at destroying my thread. I wish to post a complaint.