Is belief in a god just self-delusion?

I just finished sending this to every website in the first five pages of a Google search for "migraines"... Now, the the big-shots will research it with all their means.. which means that I have just mobilized the world's medical community to prove the Christianity is a disease...

I sent them this..

"Cause and cure to "migraines"...

Money is Christianity... Capitalism is Money... Today's government is Money... Christianity owns the money people's minds... Most of the free-world is mired-in, and conditioned with Christianity's mind programming, making it not as free as they think... Should a person who is Christian conditioned begin to process thought using more than 7% mind, that person will suddenly experience a migraine headache... And should that person then commence verbalizing (preaching) a Christian dogma, the headache will vanish, from the conditioning triggering a quantity of that person's internal bio-anesthetics into the nervous system...
Prove it to yourselves... Image you are doing something extremely vile to one of your Christian heroes... When the headache gets to be real strong, do the preaching the dogma thing, and notice that you suddenly gets a good shot of your body's internal drugs, which cools the conditioning's painful constricted nerve plumbing... Money is all about manipulating people with pain and rewards... It's all related to Christianity maintaining its hold on Innocents...

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You can use this religious conditioning thing as a useful pain-elimination tool, to eliminate serious pain...
Next time you are in extreme pain, image yourself doing some extreme blasphemy.. then when the migraine gets strong start preaching a little Christian dogma, and all your pain will vanish the moment your invasive Christian conditioning releases a significant quantity of your body's bio-anesthetics into your nervous system...

Next time you are experiencing extreme fear, do the blasphemy thing, and then the preaching the dogma thing, and all your fears will vanish...

Next time you need to fight to protect yourself, do the exercise, and there's a good chance that should you sustain any damage in the battle, you won't feel any pain...

Should you happen to experience a study overload headache, that's because you are accessing more than the permitted 7% of your mind to cram for exams...
Set the books down, and start preaching a little Christian dogma, and the headache will suddenly vanish... Only Christian conditioned people get migraines and overload study headaches...

Better would be to totally eliminate the conditioning, once and for all.. unless you find that it's a good pain-relieving tool...
To eradicate the conditioning from your Being is quite simple... Get high on what ever you like to get to get high on... Get relaxed as you can... Place an unopened bottled beverage just out of reach... Go into deep a meditative state, where it's easy to visualize your thoughts... Image picking up the bottle, and grabbing the Nazarene ("Christ") by the back of his gold-sash ("belt"), and with all your might yank him backwards toward you, having him buckle-over forward.. and Ram the bottle cap through his toga, right up into his arse, while yelling in your mind "TIGHTEN UP!", and image yourself snapping the base of the bottle down, lightning-fast, snapping the cap off the bottle in the guy's bum... Then grin proud, and image yourself taking a refreshing-sip from the bottle...
Suddenly your conditioning will react in the extreme, in defending itself against your extreme hit.. which was based beyond the thought-processing which invented and created the conditioning... Thus the conditioning will now see that it has no-option but to suicide you, to protect itself from you possibly assisting others out of its vile mind prison... You will sense an increasing heat generating in your head, in the creative center, in the right brain hemisphere, top center.. then you will experience a couple of stingy audible crackles in the creative center.. is when you immediately cut all power to your thought processes, and the conditioning will safely self-destruct...
In a few minutes the stings will vanish, and your thoughts will suddenly fill-up with millions of new thoughts about the workings of Life and Reality and Science, and if you're lucky you'll see the gates to the afterlife too...
You have now freed yourself from the great abomination's insanity...
Now your life is all yours to do with as You please, unhindered by invasive money-sucking mind-controls... And no more migraines...


Use your religious conditioning as a pain-relieving tool... or eliminate the invasive pain at its source by neutralizing the mind control conditioning..."

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I'm sure there will be a hell of a Lot of flack over it, given that it will rock the boat Bigtime, but after all the smoke and sparks clear, the Christian religion disease will be on its way out, flushed out of humanity like the great turd it is... We will be free from the mass insanity, free to learn to love and live together in peace, free to restore this planet back to a livable state, free from America's Inquisition wars, free to live Life...
 
Our present money system is not supported by Christianity. It clearly doesn't allow usury (interest). That is why this useful task was given to Jewish people, a practice that has earned them hatred ever since.
 
spidergoat said:
Our present money system is not supported by Christianity. It clearly doesn't allow usury (interest). That is why this useful task was given to Jewish people, a practice that has earned them hatred ever since.
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Christianity, and all the religions own a lot of land, property, and businesses, all around the world.. all such holdings are based upon money, profit, and usery-interest, at the expense of all the living...
The only historical reference to Christianity "not allowing usery" is the one isolated story, of "the Nazarene throwing a temper-tantrum in chasing money changers from a temple"...

Todays religions are money based, and totally money dependent.. Religion's conditioning controls are deep the heads of most of those who control the human race's big money.. thus religion controls the money world...
The money world, under religion's guidance, is selling out all life for profit... Religion's Gold-Fever is spending all the life on the planet... Religion's God-Fever is hiding the truth... Two related terminal mental diseases, which will soon be our end...
 
Essentially what you are in process of, obviously is to initiate a "silent-coupe flame war" here, in this thread, in defending your belief structure from the truth I share in exposing the evils of Christianity... I sense your plan is to have my handle added to the huge list of banned handles...
If I were to explore the archives of this forum, would I find that most of those good thinkers who were banned, were banned only after You initiated flame wars with them, and after they rightfully defended themselves from your incessant meticulous growing attacks..?


In response to your last post..
Those who work hard, day after day after pay, pay most of their earnings to the parasite class of humans, in tithes, taxed taxes, fines, rents, unreasonably high prices, and interests upon interests... They have next to nothing, but little holes in the jugulars, a nice box to live in, wide-screen teevees, plastic ming vases on brass leafed pedestals, ford sports-cars, aluminum boats, big phony smiles when they exit their clubs on Saturdays and their churches on Sundays, structured 9 to 5's, zero true respect, zero dignity, zero love, zero reality, zero clues... Just some money, and a dream, and a big debt...
They grade their life levels by counting their money, and comparing their quantities to that of others...
I have no money, therefore I do not exist...
You have twice as much money as I don't, therefore you exist half as much as I don't...

Destroying your Christian mind-control cerebral-conditioning gives you the feel that you've just crawled out of Christianity's hell... Why would you even want to defend a wrong?..

If you are into learning more new science, then neutralize your religious conditioning, and take a look see for yourself, if you can get through the initial migraine... Let your god go, for at last a minute, and you will notice absolutely no change, no difference... because your god is a none existent...

Have you noticed, when you try to comprehend something beyond your grasp to fathom, that you ends up with a migraine..? Why do you put up with what be causing those headaches..? Take the cure now... Free yourself from hell's gullet/religion's face...
 
lol

is believing in love a delusion as well cris?
wheres the proof of love? or any emotion for that matter?
because we all dont express emotions in the same way?
so who are you to say that the belief in a higher power is a delusion
 
The topic is: the fact that religion is fallacy.. not that there are undefinable things other than religion.. and not that you are incapable of understanding love and emotion, and probably have never experienced passion...
The topic is not about defining love and emotion.. not about how do you know that you have a pancreas..? not about how do you know that tiny detonations makes your car run?.. nor how do you know the stork doesn't deliver human babies?.. nor how do you know that uranium is radioactive?.. nor how do you now that cell-phones bake brain-tissues?.. nor how do you know that cocaine abuse melts brain-tissues?.. nor how do you know that alcohol abuse dehydrates skin?.. nor any of the other trillion things that a god is not... (that was a "smokescreen")...

Your claim of "proof of a god" is: "because we all dont express emotions in the same way? so who are you to say that the belief in a higher power is a delusion"...

Hell! we all don't see trees in the same way, nor wood in the same way.. To a carpenter, wood is an art medium... To the weekend fisherman, wood is fuel for his campfire... To the village idiot, wood is all the slivers in his bum from his attempt to slide down a rotting banister railing in a condemned mansion...
We all have our distinct opinions and definitions about pretty much everything general...

Your proof god exists is similar to the "proof" I find in a Google search: "proof god exists"... http://www.proofgodexists.org/
http://www.proofgodexists.org/anthropic_principle.htm

In that, their proof of a god is: "there are over one hundred variables to the Universe, which would have made life as we know it impossible, if they were even slightly different." and "If you went down the street and saw a quarter on the sidewalk, you would think naturally, "someone dropped a quarter." If you went down the street and saw a handful of quarters on the sidewalk, you would think, "Someone had a big hole in their pockets, or dropped a roll of quarters." But if you went down the street and saw one hundred quarters on the sidewalk and they were all carefully balanced precariously on their edges, you would have to think somebody did this deliberately." blah blah blah...

Their claims, and your claim, are absolute gibberish...
How people express emotions does not determine the existence nor non-existence of anything... How many quarters you find on the street has nothing to do with anything, but that there were imaginary quarters to be found on that imaginary street... "Anthropic Principles".. nothing but horse-shit!.. Their "proof a god exists", essentially only disproves the existence of a god...

You provide just one tiny bit of proof that god is real.. just one... Pulease! just one...


Agreed there are higher powers, but there is not a supreme authority over the many great powers, sources, and forces... There are higher powers for sure.. even I am a much higher power than you, and I am a nothing in the eyes of humanity... What does that make you...

Just you try to make any sense of: "because we all dont express emotions in the same way? so who are you to say that the belief in a higher power is a delusion"...
That's generally how god believers defend their position... They cast non-related gibberish, or "smoke screen", into the discussion.. expecting to derail the topic... Well it won't work here, because I will bring it right back to what you couldn't comprehend, and to what you felt the need to smoke-screen away in the first place...

That gibberish stuff you toss into a discussion is the same goop that the two European kings, back in the 700's, employed to glue non-related stories together in assembling the first Christian bible.. which they printed up, and distributed, and commanded all their subjects read and learn under penalty of death...
You are stuck in an old story book, combo health manual book, which is main lessons are: "to try to live as healthy as you can", and that "heaven and earth don't want assholes"...
Learn those two crucial lessons, then toss the book, and get into some life while you still have breath and beat and heat...

Destroying your Christian mind-control cerebral-conditioning gives you the feel that you've just crawled out of Christianity's Hell, a feeling like finally you got most of the cowpoo off of your shoe, in the field, in doing the infamous cowpoo-dance.. a human leaving a huge streak of cowpoo in the grasses and weeds...
Why would you even want to defend a wrong?..

If you are into learning more new science, then neutralize your religious conditioning, and take a look-see for yourself, if you can get through the initial migraine...
Let your god go, for at least a minute, and you will notice absolutely no change, no difference... because your god is none-existent...

Have you noticed, when you try to comprehend something beyond your grasp to fathom, that you ends up with a migraine..?
Why do you put up with what be causing those headaches..? Take the cure now... Free yourself from hell's gullet/religion's face.. destroy your religious conditioning... Free yourself from hell's gullet/religion's face... Your "god" is none-existent...

Why do you pray in hell?..
 
laladopi,

is believing in love a delusion as well cris?
wheres the proof of love? or any emotion for that matter?
because we all dont express emotions in the same way?
so who are you to say that the belief in a higher power is a delusion
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There is no doubt that emotions exist since we all experience them. These are factual human characteristics. Nothing similar can be said for the existence of gods.
 
This thread is titled "Is belief in a god just self-delusion?"

The amusing thing, to me, about that is that..........how the hell do you expect anyone to know?
 
We all know. Even "believers". Else they wouldn't call it belief. They'd call it fact. It's a complete delusion. Anyone with a shred of intellectual integrity knows it.
 
Norsefire said:
Ah, so you've died before.........I see.
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Ha! You're one of those I see. Couldn't possibly come to any rational conclusions about things without experiencing them first hand, right? Need to die to be sure there's no "afterlife" right? You should now go throw yourself off a bridge to prove to yourself my assertion that gravity will kill you under such circumstances. Have fun with that.
 
superluminal said:
Ha! You're one of those I see. Couldn't possibly come to any rational conclusions about things without experiencing them first hand, right? Need to die to be sure there's no "afterlife" right? You should now go throw yourself off a bridge to prove to yourself my assertion that gravity will kill you under such circumstances. Have fun with that.
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Considering such a thing as figuring out if there is an afterlife REQUIRES one to die, it would be silly to begin making assumptions before any sort of first-hand experience.......well, then it's too late.

My point is, nobody knows and no one will know 'till they are dead, so don't act like you DO know.
 
Norsefire said:
Considering such a thing as figuring out if there is an afterlife REQUIRES one to die, it would be silly to begin making assumptions before any sort of first-hand experience.......well, then it's too late.

My point is, nobody knows and no one will know 'till they are dead, so don't act like you DO know.
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Oh come on. Fine. Just like I'm not quite sure there aren't purple cephalopods living unter the sands of Mars, I'm not quite sure there's no afterlife.

Sheesh. Are you a theist? An atheist? What are you?
 
superluminal said:
Oh come on. Fine. Just like I'm not quite sure there aren't purple cephalopods living unter the sands of Mars, I'm not quite sure there's no afterlife.

Sheesh. Are you a theist? An atheist? What are you?
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We can search mars.........we can go and search the underground and figure that out: it relies on the physical world


The difference with the supernatural is that nobody CAN say if it does exist or it doesn't, because it's beyond our senses, beyond what we can comprehend, and it is beyond our physical universe.

I am agnostic, sometimes theist.
 
Norsefire said:
We can search mars.........we can go and search the underground and figure that out: it relies on the physical world


The difference with the supernatural is that nobody CAN say if it does exist or it doesn't, because it's beyond our senses, beyond what we can comprehend, and it is beyond our physical universe.

I am agnostic, sometimes theist.
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Good. Then whay say ANYTHING at all about something that can never be percieved or impact our physical universe? Theists just blow my mind.

I can't see it
I can't prove it
I can't understand it
I can't touch it
I have the word of some ancient texts that read like read like a childs nightmare bedtime story

Yep. Good enough for me. I BELIEVE! Yay!
 
superluminal said:
Good. Then whay say ANYTHING at all about something that can never be percieved or impact our physical universe? Theists just blow my mind.
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I never said impact, I simply said that we [Humans] are not capable of sensing that which is supernatural, therefore we can not make any sort of claim as to whether it exists or not.

Also, that is partly what I am saying! Theists and atheists alike cannot say there is no God or that there is a God, because it is impossible to know! The concept of God is BEYOND our physical universe, unlike saying the thing you said about mars.

Perhaps a specific entity (God), but God as a whole is not implausible as a concept. God, in the sense of, an entity which created our universe.

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Norsefire said:
Perhaps a specific entity (God), but God as a whole is not implausible as a concept. God, in the sense of, an entity which created our universe.
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I think the concept is entirely implausable. Why? Because the question at the bottom of any such idea is always "who or what created the creator?". This is an infinite form of begging the question. It is entirely plausible that the universe is exactly what we percieve it to be - a purely natural occurance. Possibly one in an infinity of such occurrancs. To posit an intelligence as the source of such a thing is no more plausible than positing hyper-intelligent bunnies as the bringers of baskets of chocolate eggs (and even more disturbingly, chocolate representations of themselves).

No. All gods are, when you blow away the thin smoke of human fear, simple projections of our psyches on a cold and completely indifferent cosmos.
 
Quote: "Ah, so you've died before.........I see."


Does seven NED's count..?

I experienced 7 near death accidents, in which I consciously explored death... There is no god there...

Thing is, You can learn how to access and negotiate the afterlife from this life, while alive... If you don't spend 20-years learning how the afterlife works, and how to work it, while you have breath and beat and heat, then what will you do when it's time to jettison the body..? One second into death is not the time to commence 20-years crucial lessons...
 
Norsefire


Kindly provide one tiny bit of realistic honest factual proof that god exists... just one...

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Would you kindly explain the physics of the "water into wine" incident...
 
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