Is belief in a god just self-delusion?

[Lerxst]

when we are born we are but a empty vessel, and during the course of our lifes, we gain experiences, which make us the people we are, unfortunately, as children we are also open to mental child abuse in the form of religious indoctrination, these experiences be they good or bad, make us react to certain stimuli in different individual ways.
you could be right lerxst, but the difference is you know your being irrational in regard to how the music makes you feel.
music make us react, so different. I for instant, love listening to classical also( it make me think of sundays sitting quiet with my family, the ones who have since past on, as well as the living) and popular (make me want to dance) but (c)rap just makes me angry,
but these experiences are all based on things we've sensed.
religion however can never be thought of in the same way, as it has no basis in reality, but the religious will defend this irrationality to the death, and never admit it's irrational, even though they must realise.

I agree with the empty vessel bit, I endured a lot of garbage being dumped into mine as a child. I also agree that the religious belief is irrational. I guess the point I was trying to make is that if the religious feeling stems from something deep and emotional and seemingly inexplicable, as does the resonance with music, then I can at least kind of imagine why a believer doesn't care if it is irrational or not - the experience is so profound that it trumps reason.

That's just speculation, of course. I'm really interested in trying to understand the origins of the religious feeling. I think it's probably rather complex.

(I also agree with you that (c)rap is utter crap.)

 

[duendy]

I agree with the empty vessel bit, I endured a lot of garbage being dumped into mine as a child. I also agree that the religious belief is irrational. I guess the point I was trying to make is that if the religious feeling stems from something deep and emotional and seemingly inexplicable, as does the resonance with music, then I can at least kind of imagine why a believer doesn't care if it is irrational or not - the experience is so profound that it trumps reason.

That's just speculation, of course. I'm really interested in trying to understand the origins of the religious feeling. I think it's probably rather complex.

(I also agree with you that (c)rap is utter crap.)

the origins of the religious feeling? can i recommend you checkout this book, Shamanism and the Drug Propaganda: Patriarchy and the Drug War, by Dan Russell ISBN 0-9650253-1-4

a hint. what do you actually feel about te psychedelic issue?....witout being disrespectful,i am SSUMING you propbably have negative views about all abot it---tat it is illegal, harful, distorting reality, subversive, ...etc?

well i am asserting that theoriginal religious inspiration WASvia psychedelic sacraments

why?

This goes back right to the beginnings, and till continues wit some remainging Indigenos peoples. where they will communally partake of a psychedelic sacrament

what this ritual does is inspire deep feelings, and memory 'mnemosyne'

of?

of primal re-member-ences in actual NOw, of our deep interelated union with Nature and community

now, when tis becomes oppressed, suppressed, repressed due to mindsets which seek control. then this memory is lost and al that remains is disconnected EMOTION--we ARE emotional beings--and tis very emotion is THE manipulated by he oppressive manipulatprs/the State........
ie., onto their idea of a 'God' who is separate and demands sacrifice/renunciation

NOW the 'masses' emotions are hitched onto consumerist IMAGES (because images go deep,obviously and are very powerful) which unconsciously make people buy what they dont need, believe in stupid corrupt politicians, and carry on un-feelingly to destruction of environment, for 'profit'!

 

[wayne_92587]

You said nothing of what it means to rationalize.

I am glad that you have responded to my post and sorry to here that this is your last, this is an important subject; being of Two Minds, duplicitous, guilefulness, feminine wile, Duality, irrationality, the use of Absolutely Bad Knowledge, Rationalization, as the basis for your Reality, the Knowledge of Evil, the Major cause of all suffering.

If that was your last post so be it, whatever it takes to float your boat.

As far as using your, Spiritual, Rational, Mind verses your Empirical Mind, you need them both, but you can not float your boat, ark, vessel, on rock hard, solid, ground, Empiricism, water being a Reality that is not rock hard is symbolic of a Spiritual Reality.

Flooding covering with water, Baptism, is symbolic of the Holy Ark, a Spiritual Arch, Covering, protection.

Arch;
1. playfully roguish or mischievous: an arch smile.
2. cunning; crafty; sly.
3. Obs. a person who is preeminent; a chief.

Perhaps Holy Arch, Ark, the Holy Grail is a Vessel that holds your Spirituality,
Guilefulness, Freedom of Will, Wile, your conscious desire to be a Free Spirit,
your desire to be playfully roguish, mischievous.



Keeper of the Holy Grail----------->O

 

[wayne_92587]

Notice that --------------->O is an Empty Vessel.

 

[geeser]

You said nothing of what it means to rationalize.

I take it this part is directed to me so I'll answer this part, to rationalize is something the religious know implicitly, it's what they do everytime there faith is questioned, however it does and will always fall on the deaf ears, of the clear/freethinker.
as I stated on two occasions "the religious will defend this irrationality to the death, and never admit it's irrational, even though they must realise."

I am glad that you have responded to my post and sorry to here that this is your last, this is an important subject; being of Two Minds, duplicitous, guilefulness, feminine wile, Duality, irrationality, the use of Absolutely Bad Knowledge, Rationalization, as the basis for your Reality, the Knowledge of Evil, the Major cause of all suffering.

If that was your last post so be it, whatever it takes to float your boat.

As far as using your, Spiritual, Rational, Mind verses your Empirical Mind, you need them both, but you can not float your boat, ark, vessel, on rock hard, solid, ground, Empiricism, water being a Reality that is not rock hard is symbolic of a Spiritual Reality.

Flooding covering with water, Baptism, is symbolic of the Holy Ark, a Spiritual Arch, Covering, protection.

Arch;
1. playfully roguish or mischievous: an arch smile.
2. cunning; crafty; sly.
3. Obs. a person who is preeminent; a chief.

Perhaps Holy Arch, Ark, the Holy Grail is a Vessel that holds your Spirituality,
Guilefulness, Freedom of Will, Wile, your conscious desire to be a Free Spirit,
your desire to be playfully roguish, mischievous.

Keeper of the Holy Grail----------->O

as for all this I dont know who your talking to or what your talking about.

 

[Godless]

*as for all this I dont know who your talking to or what your talking about.

I'd bet that's why they call it babble bla,bla,bla and really nothing said.

 

[wayne_92587]

I take it this part is directed to me so I'll answer this part, to rationalize is something the religious know implicitly, it's what they do everytime there faith is questioned, however it does and will always fall on the deaf ears, of the clear/freethinker.
as I stated on two occasions "the religious will defend this irrationality to the death, and never admit it's irrational, even though they must realise."

as for all this I dont know who your talking to or what your talking about.

Yes this reply is for you, thank you again for your response.

I will try to find your post that I was replying to an do it again so that my post will make sense.

 

[cosmicbrat]

Quoting: "That is the Point your Rational Mind if it is Rational is the Vessel that hold the Spirit of God, is the Holy Grail."

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Quoting: "Thats when you lost it.when you tried to combine rational mindedness with spirituality.
this is a contradiction in terms, the two are mutually exclusive, you cannot be both rational and spiritual, well not at the same time. it's strange that the religious can be rational in every other aspect of their lives, except the religious/spiritual part."


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The proverbial "grail" is you accessing your sorcerer's energy package, and incorporating it into your Being, in the junction-zone between your mind and spirit... just as "the fountain of youth" is cosmic-physical, plus tri-level attitude adjustment from present modes of human thought processings, into reality... just as all the great powers, are waiting to be awakened from deep slumber, for you to breathe life into, for Life to have breathed Life's greater aspects into you...

Humanity fears these words.. because they are pulled from thought processing beyond religion's self-imposed 8% mind usage ceiling condition...
They may have dealt a blow to humanity.. but they sank in the same boat.. and are as stuck in the muck as they hold humanity in religion's satanic grasp...


By the way... I just love you two's deep-mind literary work...
You make me feel like I'm not alone in the world...

 

[cosmicbrat]

This message for Donald J, from DonaldJ...

Greetings other Donald..

I'm wondering how you feel about the part of Life that money can't manipulate in any way..?

I'm seeing it as we are spending the whole world for money...
It seems that money is in control, spending us...
I.E.: One wealthy person could pay a million poor mindless folk, to literally fetch all the skins from all the animals on the planet... oops...

It seems the origin of money.. was the evolutionary alternative to forever shoveling-up after the, meat, fruit, bird, and goat offerings, all became too-ripe to be near, and to ignore, for miles around... Religion's money-invention worked... and as an unexpected plus.. helped fund religion providing her two greatest enemies a roof under its thumb...

Now days it seems that money doesn't truly have a definition of Life in its equation...
For the pursuit of acquiring more and more money, there is less and less life on this planet by the second.. "the great falling" is upon us... If it doesn't change, the planet will eventually run out of life at this rate... What year do you suppose is the best year, for all of us to up and say, The planet has lost enough life.. it's time to start treating our home like we respect Life, unless it's already too late..? Maybe the disasters is the life support systems collapsing..?

I'm seeing it that we have only 145-thousand years left as life on this planet...
If we continue at the present rate of planetary destruction, she won't be able to support the life of a single hardy beetle by the year 155,000...

I stumbled upon bit of delicious time-travel technology...
Near the year 145,730, I watched the last human cracking the marrow out of the bones of the second last... We are destroying humanity's home, for money... Some are abusing money... Some respect it... There's more abusers than respecters... We can't win the big life game anymore.. We win only the lifeless little games...

In this time-travel trip I saw there is the potential of 33-million more years of human life on planet earth... On the return, I recorded disaster upon disaster.. mostly man made... Then is when I bumped into a little activity, near the year 145,730.. and paused to spectate the horror I saw then... It's there for all to see.. all anyone needs is a few pointers on how that part of the mind works...

It seems that humanity had 33-million years remaining.. but spent all but 145 thousand years of it, abusing money and the planet and each other...
Seems what we did to the planet in the past 300-years has deleted 33-million years of human births... That's a lot of humans we cleansed and sold-out for profit...
There's enough treasure circulating on this planet, to ensure all 6-bil a good life...
Something is wrong...
We need to extinct money before it extincts us...

 

[cosmicbrat]

Quote: "when we are born we are but a empty vessel,"

I happen to know for a fact that we are birthed with a full mind... It's just that being born into this restricted original fantasy leaches it out if us... We die running-on empty...


Quote: "as children we are also open to mental child abuse in the form of religious indoctrination,"

They drain our fullness, and consume our spirits as meals... We see only hell's religious facade...


Quote: "the religious will defend this irrationality to the death"

Religion has put the brakes on evolution, by suppressing new and change.. because religions fears that there isn't a place for religion in the future, unless it eliminates the future...

 

[Lori_7]

This post was initially aimed at Taken in the thread “Bye Bye” but I think it is worth pulling it out into a new thread. It can really be directed at most Christians.

What is the distinction between your belief that God is real and a self-delusion that God is real?

Without an external independent objective mechanism to show that God exists you will have no way to know that your belief is not self-delusion. Remember that the strength of your conviction gives no indication of truth or delusion.

You (Taken) have admitted that you cannot demonstrate the existence of God to anyone and that they must find it for themselves. And this is a standard response from all Christians, so I am not just picking on you.

If you cannot show any difference then why should any of us believe that you have found something that we have not?

Delusion: Belief in something that is contrary to fact or reality, resulting from deception, a misconception, or a mental disorder.

There are no facts or realities that show that a god exists. The pope would be screaming this through every radio and TV if any did show up.

Without your being able to show us your god then our only rational conclusion is that you have been deceived into believing what you do, or you have misunderstood reality, or you are mentally ill.

Cris

you could make this same point about anything.

 

[Lori_7]

See the animal in his cage that you built
Are you sure what side you’re on?
Better not look him too closely in the eye
Are you sure what side of the glass you are on?
See the safety of the life you have built
Everything where it belongs
Feel the hollowness inside of your head
And it’s all
Right where it belongs

What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems
What if all the world you think know
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection
Is that all you want it to be?
What if you could look right through the cracks
Would you find yourself—find yourself afraid to see?

What if all the world’s inside of your head
Just creations of your own?
Your devils and your gods all the living and the dead
And you’re really all alone
You can live in this illusion
You can choose to believe
You keep looking but you can’t find the woods
While you’re hiding in the trees

What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems
What if all the world you used to know
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection
Is that all you want to be?
What if you could look right through the cracks
Would you find yourself—find yourself afraid to see?

NIN With Teeth 2005 (yum)

 

[visceral_instinct]

The scientific method does prove what it purports to prove.

If I hypothesize that if I ram my head on the wall, I will be knocked unconscious, then I test that by ramming my head on the wall and being knocked unconscious, I should think I have the right to say that my hypothesis was correct.

 

[cosmicbrat]

Quote: "you could make this same point about anything."

It was made about the fact that belief in a god is belief in a money-scam's money-sucking conjob fantasy...
Not the other and anythings.. only in reference to christinsanity's scam...


Quote: "Go to church? I am the church!"

You've taken the christinsanity too far, into becoming a disease...
Do you think you'll soon be needing a fresh coat paint..?

The church is merely the gaudy brass-leafed physical front-door of the religious scam, pretending to be the fag master's gateway to heaven for the christinsane mindless masses... for religion to maintain itself from the scammed flows of money, scammed from the mindless poor, all born into religion's slavery program... They know nothing else... They are born into the original insanity ("original sin") within the machinery insanity...


Quote: "See the animal in his cage that you built"...

Religion is in itself a cage for those who have absolutely no grasp on any reality...
Trouble is, they haven't been caged enough, and they are permitted to run free in the ranks of the sane, within cultures, when they should be grouped, and reconditioned, and/or youthenized for the good of the existence and evolution of the family of man, and life on and of the planet...


Quote: "What if all the world you think know is an elaborate dream?"

...with all the frightening parts covered in a coating of religious fanatical fantasy, to make the scary parts seem to have gone away... like in how the first monkey who "sees no evil", has made all the evil suddenly "vanish", by having covered its eyes with its hands... "peekaboo I see you"...
"Would you find yourself—find yourself afraid to see yourself?"...

Does the mirror lie..?


Twisted Quote: "Without actual proof that god is valid you cannot know your belief is self-delusion, or truth."

Religious Science still hasn't proved the existence of a god...
Religion's only proof, is in hereditary blind faith...

It's obvious that Man created god in his own image...
Your gods have all your personality traits... Only your traits... Seems your gods don't possess any godly traits...

It seems god creation started back about 2000-years ago.. by Joseph's father and grandfather.. Joseph of Aramafia, Mary's studly... Joey got the babe pregnant, and since the law and government's solution to excess teen births was to have all unwed mothers immediately stoned to death in the square... Mary cried out, "God stuck it to me!".. and she was saved... Hell no!.. She ran away, and hid in a nearby town, and slept with the cows and chickens...

Joe's grandfather, a skilled fiction writer, invented "virgin birth", to save his daughter inlaw from the flying-stones, and invented "god", to quell the violence and crime of the unruly parentless teens of the time, by providing them with a surrogate father figure...

That's the ticket... Show the world the process in how to create a god.. then they will see how easily their god was created by the fiction writers of the time, a couple thou years ago...

First you need a reason to create a god...

2000-years ago parents died around the age of 35, from extremely poor conditions, and nearly no good health practices.. another reason to incorporate healthy living in folklore.. as the bible was designed to do, in the 700's...

2000-years ago kids were left parentless to fend for themselves, at about the age of 15... They were poor, filthy, nasty, out of control, hungry, cold, wanton, and in gangs.. stealing anything and everything to survive.. clothing, food, money.. and doing violence to get it.. same as today...

A great thinker would see that the turmoil was because kids were out there on their own, trying to survive without parental guidance... The government would see killing them as the quickest easiest viable solution... Chopping off hands would work for some, if they could catch them... Chopping off heads would be more final, and cheaper... Making criminals into slaves would be a solution... Ship them off in chains to construction sites and road building, far away from urban centers...

The next recourse would have to be to supply them with a surrogate parent... Thus a father figure god would have been created in their minds to give them something to look up too...
A figure they couldn't harm, nor rob... It would need be close enough to their senses for them to feel there with them at night when they sleep...
It would need be all knowing... It would need be their best friend... It would need be something they could communicate with.. or that could be communicated with via a mediator...

Detail how someone in the dark ages would and could create a god...

I've been and seen beyond space, matter, and time, in my several near death accidents, and I never found a god there... All I found is human abilities that go beyond the accepted norms...
I've toured the next four layers of the afterlife, and still found no trace of gods...
Talking the existence of gods is totally insane.. so much so that you begin to even hate yourself and the Life around you, and that shows in how we disrespect the planet so much, and in how we are destroying its fragile balances.. rather, in how we've destroyed its fragile balances... Our home's life-support systems are collapsing, self destructing, and still there is no god to repair it, nor even slow it a little...

How the hell can you propose to know anything about a god, in being but a tiny bug on this little silly little ball of floating, circling, spiraling space rock, destined to one day be but a meal for the sun..?
All you are doing in professing a god's existence, qualities, and physics, is combining all what you deem impossible, inaccessible, unattainable, unexplainable, and irrational, and attaching it all to your fictitious god, to make it inaccessible, intangible, and impervious to any scrutiny, which is you attaching labels and meaning to the void, to make you feel you are not so alone and insignificant...
If there was a god, I would expect it to be so much a part of us that it would show in everything happening in our lives... We do all what we do ourselves without a god, atheists and christians too.. we do it by living life as best we can...

If humanity had a god, we wouldn't be so into building hell on earth from having dismantled heaven on earth for the building materials... and we wouldn't be slaughtering our fellow humans, to rob their dope and oil, and to convert them to our imaginary god's ways by force of the inquisition process... If we had a god, we would have global love... Your professing the existence of a god is nauseating to those of us who have open functioning minds, and believe only in ourselves...

You should check it out... Just for a minute, live your life without your imaginary god... You won't fall off the end of a flat world.. You won't suddenly fall to pieces.. You won't suddenly die.. nothing will change, except you will suddenly be totally responsible for you... though you might sustain a sudden migraine, for your religious conditioning constricting your cerebral nerve plumbing to prevent you from denying the programing to be forced to tithe so that lazy parasites can maintain luxury living at your life's expense...

Empty yourself of religious dogma, and you will notice powerful new abilities coming alive within you... Your professing a god, is essentially your responding to your conditioned designer fears of what you are, and fears of what you could do if you were ever to permit you to fully be you... You fear Life so much that you try desperately to make me, us, and them, want to fear Life too as you do... In professing a god, you are acting as a vile contagious disease in-process of trying to spread itself...

I stroll into the forest not fearing it, but loving and respecting it... Little creatures approach me to touch me, and permit me to touch them... I approach large meat eaters, in trust and friendship, and sit a few feet from them... Life feels my love, and loves me right back... If a large cat or bear came anywhere's near you, you would instantly mess yourself... If a robin, in a quiet forest, made a noise near you in rustling fallen leaves, whilst searching for food, you may well fire a bullet at the noises the robin makes, and/or suddenly break into a cold-sweat, and bolt and run...
A large dragonfly flies close by me, and I says an excited "Hi".. and it decelerates, circles me, and lands on my face... A black widow spider raises its leg when I bump it gently with my finger to get it to walk onto my hand... If you came even close to a black widow you would probably either crush the life out of it, and/or get stung... If a huge dragon fly came anywheres near you, you would probably slap it dead, or squish the life out of it, in blind disabling fear of it... I am an "atheist".. I love Life, I care for all Life, and Life loves me...
You are a "christian".. You christians fear Life, you wrong to Life, Life doesn't like you...

Prove your god exists!.. Show me one tiny particle or shred of proof that it's real.. besides professing your blind faith that something imaginary exists for you, and for all those like you who have been conditioned to accept as real that which is not...

As much belief that you put into your illusionary god, is as much life-energy that you fail to put into your life and living.. and when it gets down to the wire, you discover that all that god bullshit was just that, just bullshit...
A couple seconds into death all the lies fall away, and you are left with not even a prayer... nothing to do but recycle...

Put 100% into your god belief, and you would be dead in less than a week.. and very messy and smelly too...

You believe there's a god because you were born into an insane culture that believes there's a god... same as if you were born in to a culture that all walked on fours.. you would be walking on all fours...

Just because crazies jump off cliffs is no reason to jump off the cliff...

You who believe in a god are just a mindless follower, a numb puppet, a senseless robot, and blind lamb of the flock of religion's perpetual meal...

Believe in yourself...

If it was a god's way kind of religion, it wouldn't need defending... it would be embraced by all life without question... Your religion and gods need constant defending, because everyone knows it's crap at best...

You crazies enter forums professing your dogmas, only to attract a teacher and mentor who will help you out of your insanities, by proving to you that your vile belief structure is just that, insanity... Deep inside your Being knows all that religion dogma is absolute crap... You are desperate for some help out of it, so you can get on with your lives... You profess your lies to attract truthful correction, but your religious conditioning forces you to fight the truth... Essentially there is no help nor hope for you.. you are caught up in a perpetual cycle of self-destruction.. and your treatments of the planet and its living things proves it...

Here's your proof your god exists...

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=proof+god+exists&btnG=Google+Search&meta=


It starts with:

"The Strong Modified Weak Anthropic Principles: Scientific Proof there is a Creator.

The Anthropic Principles point out that there be over a 100 variables to this Universe which would have made life as we know it impossible. If they were even slightly different, either this Universe had to be finely tuned to the conditions that make the evolution of life possible, or there have to be googolplexes of Universes.

Consider the following analogy.

If you went down the street and saw a quarter on the sidewalk, you would think naturally, "someone dropped a quarter." If you went down the street and saw a handful of quarters on the sidewalk... blah blah blah..."

That's your Best so called proof your imaginary god exists in other than your dreams and wishes...

It's all just gibberish, to smoke screen the topic away from the truth... All your proof is just you crazies coating your lies with more and more bullshit... "Googleplexes of universes".. HaH!.. you twits can't think that far nor deep... You don't even know if there is a universe... You twits can't prove the existence of a god, therefore you try to throw-off the topic by spewing forth tons of everything that isn't a god... Your only proof is that you wish and hope there is a god, so all your investment in religion won't be just a big waste of time and life and money... Can't help you there.. you've already wasted your whole life believing that bullshit is a god.. you sillies...

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http://timelessfaith.blogspot.com/

Just maybe it's that the Evangelists are so much conditioned into abolishing sin, that they are unconsciously in process of "erasing All Sin off the planet" by meticulously murdering the whole human race..? In all the world's Media it seems to be their style... Seems that Christianity has lost it, and doesn't anymore realize that we are the Life.. and believes that if we aren't money, then we deserve to be dead... I calls it "ChristInsanity"... I sees it as being "The Evils of Religion"... Since Christianity began, all it has done is label everything about humanity "evil".. and it is Christianity that does the evil vile stuff that hurts all Life... It sure does seem that Christianity is hellbent on destroying all of us... Maybe it's time to put Christianity to sleep... It hasn't worked for over 2000-years.. in that all it has done is start wars, and stifle and murder humans, and try to force those who don't believe in it, to believe in it, or be tortured and murdered by those who profess the benefits of "god's love"...

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http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=evangelism+to+abolish+sin+&btnG=Search&meta=

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I found this abomination, out there in Internet land, when searching Evangelism insanities...

"...Hell is after all, the final expression of God's hatred. God does hate the reprobate sinner in a very real and terrifying sense.

I would never say such a thing were it not clearly taught in Scripture. Psalm 5:5-6 says, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost HATE all who do iniquity. Thou dost destroy those who speak falsehood; The Lord abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit." Psalm 11:5 says, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul HATES."

The psalmist himself reflects the divine attitude when he writes, "Do I not HATE those who hate Thee, O Lord? And do I not loathe those who rise up against Thee? I hate them with the utmost HATRED; they have become my enemies" (Ps. 139:21-22).

As we have noted previously, this is not a malevolent hatred; it is a holy abhorrence for that which is vile, loathsome, and evil. But it is TRUE HATRED nonetheless."


I nearly threw-up, after reading that...

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It seems that Christianity is just like the Arab religions.. but worse..

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I am a believer of Life... I am not an atheist, nor do I take stock in any thing religious... I see religious stuff all life-stifling at best... "Atheist" is a religious term for those who refuse to accept any religious dogma... I am not religious, and I do not even accept any of your silly labels... Labels are only ways to describe something for those who need things explained.. labels are in themselves only restrictive...

I see how religion forces itself upon those who would have a better life without any religion... I watched religion destroy my family, and hundreds of their families... I experienced how easily religion destroyed my life... I see how religion is in process of destroying our planet and us, starting with everyone who refuses to believe in that crap...

Religion is merely an attempted detailed speculative description of a few idiot's explanation for the ways things are... None of it is provable.. You all were born into it, so you know nothing else... Religion makes you into haters of all those different from you...

Too many of your religious leaders are molesting our babies, to get their righteous rocks off.. and sometimes they even murder our children to hide the evidence of their evil doings... One palace, of a christian group, there were discovered hundreds of skeletons of kids those beasts raped, murdered, and ate...

I fail to see any value in christianity... All I see in it is evil... And I know should a christian effect a strong blasphemy, one that verges in thought processing of the like that the religious dogmas were created.. that the religious conditioning core in that person's creative center will self destruct, in trying to suicide that person for attempting to eliminate their bonds to dogmatic mass insanity...

I see you religious folk going hunting, killing innocent forest creatures just because you can.. for "fun & sport"... While I go out into the forests, and talk to the animals, and have them approach me, and touch me... You crazies claim you hunt to feed the family... Well! with an annual income of over a hundred grand you don't need to kill our forest creatures for anything... Leave them alive for those of us who love them...

Now day your crazy christian wars are pitting christians against Arab religions.. protecting those who accept christianity.. and slaughtering those who refuse to believe your insanity... This war is "The Inquisition" reborn... The Spanish did the same to the South American Peoples... They slaughtered non-believers, raped their children, and stole all their gold.. leaving their cities in ruins...
Christian America is slaughtering non-believers, raping their children, and stealing their oil.. leaving their cities in ruins...

American soldiers kneel and pray to their effigies of their gods.. then go out and slaughter more Innocents...

USA!.. This is our world! NOT yours... And our lives have nothing to do with your ridiculous gods, which are but a figment of your imaginations... Christianity is essentially just a pile of hooga-booga...
And the weird part is that people like you actually believe in that crap...
The sad part is that you try to run all our lives with that insanity...
The pitiful part is that your religious leaders haven't the slightest clue how to effect the afterlife, nor how it works, though you pay them your hard earned cash to let them guide you to a heaven that is non-existent... They only tell you they know, but they never show any proof, they can't, they don't have any... You accept their bullshit blindly and numbly, whilst your religion drags you mindless Beings down hell's gullet...

You'll see it clearly for a couple seconds, after your body has expired, and you don't know what to do, except to reach in any and every direction for your imaginary god, to discover it isn't... Your particles will use up all their "fuel", disseminated, and ran out of momentum, lost out in deep space.. to be only food for the fauna there... Essentially your christianity is hell's gaping mouth, hell's facade...

Check it out... Reach for your god now... What did you find..?

On the other hand.. Reach for Life... What do you find..?

________


I'm wondering how you feel about the part of Life that money can't manipulate in any way..?

I'm seeing it as we are spending the whole world for money...
It seems that money is in control, spending us...
I.E.: One wealthy person could pay a million poor mindless folk, to literally fetch all the skins from all the animals on the planet... oops...

It seems the origin of money.. was the evolutionary alternative to forever shoveling-up after the, meat, fruit, bird, and goat offerings, all became too-ripe to be near, and to ignore, for miles around... Religion's money-invention worked... and as an unexpected plus.. helped fund religion providing her two greatest enemies a roof under its thumb...

Now days it seems that money doesn't truly have a definition of Life in its equation...
For the pursuit of acquiring more and more money, there is less and less life on this planet by the second.. "the great falling" is upon us... If it doesn't change, the planet will eventually run out of life at this rate... What year do you suppose is the best year, for all of us to up and say, The planet has lost enough life.. it's time to start treating our home like we respect Life, unless it's already too late..? Maybe the disasters is the life support systems collapsing..?

I'm seeing it that we have only 145-thousand years left as life on this planet...
If we continue at the present rate of planetary destruction, she won't be able to support the life of a single hardy beetle by the year 155,000...

I stumbled upon bit of delicious time-travel technology...
Near the year 145,730, I watched the last human cracking the marrow out of the bones of the second last... We are destroying humanity's home, for money... Some are abusing money... Some respect it... There's more abusers than respecters... We can't win the big life game anymore.. We win only the lifeless little games...

In this time-travel trip I saw there is the potential of 33-million more years of human life on planet earth... On the return, I recorded disaster upon disaster.. mostly man made... Then is when I bumped into a little activity, near the year 145,730.. and paused to spectate the horror I saw then... It's there for all to see.. all anyone needs is a few pointers on how that part of the mind works...

It seems that humanity had 33-million years remaining.. but spent all but 145 thousand years of it, abusing money and the planet and each other...
Seems what we did to the planet in the past 300-years has deleted 33-million years of human births... That's a lot of humans we cleansed and sold-out for profit...
There's enough treasure circulating on this planet, to ensure all 6-bil a good life...
Something is wrong...
We need to extinct christinsanity's money before religion's wars extinct us...

 

[Lori_7]

cosmicbrat,

it seems that you don't have very good depth perception. you can't see past anything.

if you remain fixated on the institution, then you're no better than they are, and you allow them to win. at least where you're concerned.

don't do that. (just my suggestion, not a mandate of any sort.) peace.

 

[cosmicbrat]

I posses so much depth perception that I am able to heal others just by touching them... I am able to hypnotize seawater with a six-layered focus, which makes a square mile of turbulent ocean coastline be as calm as glass is smooth for as long as I maintain the multi-focus... I am able to approach a large wild hungry grizzly bear, in total safety, and sit a few feet from it, and employ verbalizations and telepathy to teach it to speak rough English...
Wild animals approach me and touch me... Birds, and venomous insects, will land or crawl onto my hands, in total friendship and respect, at my request... I possess a depth in perception greater than any other human has ever accessed... I see the truth as it is...


Your silly post was just for you... Your post was merely you looking into the mirror, and describing yourself, just as all your output is you defending the insane fantasy you are mired in... You were born into it, and you can't see anything but the "smoke"... You see the ridiculousness that you are, and you try to stick it on others, to attempt to escape it... That's insane at best...
I'll bet that you believe aliens are coming to take you to a better planet.. is you forsaking earth, life, and realty, to live your dying dream and wish, to be somewhere better than in this crazy christinsanity hell on earth...
You were born into christinsanity slavery's "original-sin", and know nothing else... Your headache upon reading my words is merely your invasive religious conditioning causing cerebral nerve plumbing to constrict... Begin reciting aloud any dogma you are well versed in, and you will notice the migraine vanish, from the religious conditioning having triggered a quantity of your body's internal bio-morphines into your blood stream... You will thus be "stoned" on your body's own painkillers... "Praise god!" cries out the mindless christian... Your religious conditioning permits you to utilize only 7% of your mind... Try to use 8%, and you will suffer a migraine, is why new science breakthrough discoveries cause christians serious headaches... Your religion stifles life... Your religion restricts you from accessing the 87% more reality there is... Your religion is Insanity at its peak...

You seem to not be able to grasp, that your boss fagot, "Jesus", died for his own sins, after he tried to coupe the Roman government... The only demons and devils we have on this earth are Christianity, and those like you, forever chewing-on the lives of those they've conned into believing all that silly crap they and you preach, essentially only to rob our money, so your bunch of mindless lazy fat-fags can live in luxury, without needing to do any honest work. You only preach a big hell, and you are in it as deep as it gets... You are a victim of evil... Essentially you are hell's acting preacher, desperately trying to spread your vile Christianity cancerous mental disease to those who aren't yet affected and afflicted by your hell's kitchen religion. Your religion is hell's face, desperate for more innocent souls to feed upon, and you are the acting purveyor of more tasty souls for hell's cancerous stomach.

Most of your pious righteous religious leaders, popes, bishops, priests, ministers.. very much enjoy having warm testicles resting upon their chins, whilst they suck the "seminarial" fluids out of each other, and out of the kiddies they molest... Your whole Christian religion is just one big worldwide fag's freeforall, perpetual wine and cheese party, at the expense of the mindless, the insane, and the poor, and you are just one of their Pimps. Your Christian religions are essentially just blood-sucking, life-sucking, semen-sucking, parasites, feeding off of humanity like blood lusting insatiably thirsty vampires in perpetual feeding mode... Your Jesus died for his own sins, and you are spreading the glorious evils of hell on earth, in preaching and teaching the mindless that death is better than life.. which is definitely "insanity".. and is why humanity has lost all respect for humanity and life...
Your religions have labeled all the good in humanity as bad.. and has replaced all the good of humanity with a great insatiable hunger for more and more money...
Our money is to drive our own lives.. not for fanatics, scammers, and cons, to live freely off of...
Our blood is in us for us, not in us for Christian preachers to feed it to their Christian vampire masters...
Your religions don't have the first clue how to effect the afterlife, nor how to navigate it...

Provide just one real honest shred of actual proof that your god exists!.. just one...

 

[cosmicbrat]

Christian mind conditioning, seen in a scientific set of views....

Quote: "but the problem at the root of it all is not Christianity, but Capitalism."

_____________

Look at it in a scientific set of view-points...
Look at it logically... Christianity invented the present Money System, to prevent the accumulating vile stench of decaying tithing produce and animal dung in the fronts of temples...
Money is Christianity... Capitalism is Money... Today's government is Money... Christianity owns the money people's minds... Most of the free-world is mired-in, and conditioned with Christianity's mind programming, making it not as free as they think... Should a person who is Christian conditioned begin to process thought using more than 7% mind, that person will suddenly experience a migraine headache... And should that person then commence verbalizing (preaching) a Christian dogma, the headache will vanish, from the conditioning triggering a quantity of that person's internal bio-anesthetics into the nervous system...
Prove it to yourselves... Image you are doing something extremely vile to one of your Christian heroes... When the headache gets to be real strong, do the preaching the dogma thing, and notice that you suddenly gets a good shot of your body's internal drugs, which cools the conditioning's painful constricted nerve plumbing... Money is all about manipulating people with pain and rewards... It's all related to Christianity maintaining its hold on Innocents.. so much so, that sometimes religious leaders have been known to even blatantly attack and molest and rob the innocence of babies, by sexually molesting them just to get their pious righteous Christian-rocks off, like a Roman Catholic priest molested me when I was three months old...

We abuse and misuse Money... Most of the criminal element is money-based...
Governments are horribly infested with money-sucking criminals, parasitizing the masses for more and more money... Look at Bush's MO... I bet that guys Karma is gonna come back at him in the form of the worst cancers one could imagine... You can't escape Life's balancing factors... All the evil you do comes back at you when you are weak, and can defend yourself the least... Money has become the evil, in how we use it... But now Money has taken on a life of its own, and is now in process of spending all life, to make itself grow... Money doesn't have a definition of life in its equation... Money doesn't care if it spends all life... Money only wants to grow and grow itself, by spending more and more life... Today the increasing oil prices are boosting the transportation costs of everything, which is increasing the cost of everything, essentially spending more life, by literally spending the quality of life or humanity... Big Money doesn't care if humanity lives or dies... Look what's happening in Arabia... Big Money America is using a reborn Christian Inquisition, and their Christian military war machine, to attack and rob the little poppy & oil rich nations who can defend themselves the least... Money's war is is just one way money plays... America is robbing Arabia's dope and oil to make American economy grow... Economy is Money...

Without Money, Religion dies.. Governments die.. Crime dies.. War dies.. All that remains is Life...

How did the planet build the dinosaur ages without money..?
How does the Sun maintain Life without money..?
How does a blade of grass grow without money..?
How does winter succumb to Spring without money..?
How does conception happen without money..?
How can Life continue, with money destroying the very life support systems which nurtures and cradles all life..?
How will you get to your "heaven" with money..? Who, and what, do you pay for your entry into your proverbial "heaven"..?

Christianity = Capitalism = Money = Religion = Politics = War = Crime = Evil... It's all about Money... All the strife on the planet is money-based...

Humanity is heading head first into an early extinction, and are taking all life on the planet with us... Each second there is less and less life on the planet... One day planet earth is gonna run out of life if this foolishness continues... It's all about how a few thousand of us, in control, are abusing money... It's a vile disease... It's called "Gold Fever"... All the infected one can see is money and profit... Life has become a trivial pursuit...

I was coining-out a PacMan video-game in a Jewish community center, and was being watched by four little Jewish boys... The moment I began pouring the thousands of quarters into the coin-counter, two of the little Jewish boys began drooling... So profuse was their drooling that it as falling from their chins in long gooey strings, landing on the tops of their shoes in puddles... Seeing that made me feel extremely nauseous...

If I won a huge multi-million dollar lotto, suddenly I would have lots of friends...

Money is Christianity... Capitalism is Money... Today's government is Money... Christianity owns the money people's minds... Most of the free-world is mired-in, and conditioned with Christianity's mind programming, making it not as free as they think... Should a person who is Christian conditioned begin to process thought using more than 7% mind, that person will suddenly experience a migraine headache... And should that person then commence verbalizing (preaching) a Christian dogma, the headache will vanish, from the conditioning triggering a quantity of that person's internal bio-anesthetics into the nervous system...
Prove it to yourselves... Image you are doing something extremely vile to one of your Christian heroes... When the headache gets to be real strong, do the preaching the dogma thing, and notice that you suddenly gets a good shot of your body's internal drugs, which cools the conditioning's painful constricted nerve plumbing... Money is all about manipulating people with pain and rewards... It's all related to Christianity maintaining its hold on Innocents...


You can use this thing as a useful pain-elimination tool, to eliminate serious pain...
Next time you are in extreme pain, image yourself doing some extreme blasphemy.. then when the migraine gets strong start preaching a little Christian dogma, and all your pain will vanish the moment your invasive Christian conditioning releases a significant quantity of your body's bio-anesthetics into your nervous system...

Next time you are experiencing extreme fear, do the blasphemy thing, and then the preaching the dogma thing, and all your fears will vanish...

Next time you need to fight to protect yourself, do the exercise, and there's a good chance that should you sustain any damage in the battle, you won't feel any pain...

Should you happen to experience a study overload headache, that's because you are accessing more than the permitted 7% of your mind to cram for exams...
Set the books down, and start preaching a little Christian dogma, and the headache will suddenly vanish... Only Christian conditioned people get migraines and overload study headaches...

Better would be to totally eliminate the conditioning, once and for all.. unless you find that it's a good pain-relieving tool...
To eradicate the conditioning from your Being is quite simple... Get high on what ever you like to get to get high on... Get relaxed as you can... Place an unopened bottled beverage just out of reach... Go into deep a meditative state, where it's easy to visualize your thoughts... Image picking up the bottle, and grabbing the Nazarene ("christ") by the back of his gold-sash ("belt"), and with all your might yank him backwards toward you, having him buckle-over forward.. and Ram the bottle cap through his toga, right up into his arse, while yelling in your mind "TIGHTEN UP!", and image yourself snapping the base of the bottle down, lightning-fast, snapping the cap off the bottle in the guy's bum... Then grin proud, and image yourself taking a refreshing-sip from the bottle...
Suddenly your conditioning will react in the extreme, in defending itself against your extreme hit.. which was based beyond the thought-processing which invented and created the conditioning... Thus the conditioning will now see that it has no-option but to suicide you, to protect itself from you possibly assisting others out of its vile mind prison... You will sense an increasing heat generating in your head, in the creative center, in the right brain hemisphere, top center.. then you will experience a couple of stingy audible crackles in the creative center.. is when you immediately cut all power to your thought processes, and the conditioning will safely self-destruct...
In a few minutes the stings will vanish, and your thoughts will suddenly fill-up with millions of new thoughts about the workings of Life and Reality and Science, and if you're lucky you'll see the gates to the afterlife too...
You have now freed yourself from the great abomination's insanity...
Now your life is all yours to do with as You please, unhindered by invasive money-sucking mind-controls... And no more migraines...


Use your religious conditioning as a pain-relieving tool... or eliminate the invasive pain at its source by neutralizing the mind control conditioning...

 

[Lori_7]

I posses so much depth perception that I am able to heal others just by touching them... I am able to hypnotize seawater with a six-layered focus, which makes a square mile of turbulent ocean coastline be as calm as glass is smooth for as long as I maintain the multi-focus... I am able to approach a large wild hungry grizzly bear, in total safety, and sit a few feet from it, and employ verbalizations and telepathy to teach it to speak rough English...
Wild animals approach me and touch me... Birds, and venomous insects, will land or crawl onto my hands, in total friendship and respect, at my request... I possess a depth in perception greater than any other human has ever accessed... I see the truth as it is...


Your silly post was just for you... Your post was merely you looking into the mirror, and describing yourself, just as all your output is you defending the insane fantasy you are mired in... You were born into it, and you can't see anything but the "smoke"... You see the ridiculousness that you are, and you try to stick it on others, to attempt to escape it... That's insane at best...
I'll bet that you believe aliens are coming to take you to a better planet.. is you forsaking earth, life, and realty, to live your dying dream and wish, to be somewhere better than in this crazy christinsanity hell on earth...
You were born into christinsanity slavery's "original-sin", and know nothing else... Your headache upon reading my words is merely your invasive religious conditioning causing cerebral nerve plumbing to constrict... Begin reciting aloud any dogma you are well versed in, and you will notice the migraine vanish, from the religious conditioning having triggered a quantity of your body's internal bio-morphines into your blood stream... You will thus be "stoned" on your body's own painkillers... "Praise god!" cries out the mindless christian... Your religious conditioning permits you to utilize only 7% of your mind... Try to use 8%, and you will suffer a migraine, is why new science breakthrough discoveries cause christians serious headaches... Your religion stifles life... Your religion restricts you from accessing the 87% more reality there is... Your religion is Insanity at its peak...

You seem to not be able to grasp, that your boss fagot, "Jesus", died for his own sins, after he tried to coupe the Roman government... The only demons and devils we have on this earth are Christianity, and those like you, forever chewing-on the lives of those they've conned into believing all that silly crap they and you preach, essentially only to rob our money, so your bunch of mindless lazy fat-fags can live in luxury, without needing to do any honest work. You only preach a big hell, and you are in it as deep as it gets... You are a victim of evil... Essentially you are hell's acting preacher, desperately trying to spread your vile Christianity cancerous mental disease to those who aren't yet affected and afflicted by your hell's kitchen religion. Your religion is hell's face, desperate for more innocent souls to feed upon, and you are the acting purveyor of more tasty souls for hell's cancerous stomach.

Most of your pious righteous religious leaders, popes, bishops, priests, ministers.. very much enjoy having warm testicles resting upon their chins, whilst they suck the "seminarial" fluids out of each other, and out of the kiddies they molest... Your whole Christian religion is just one big worldwide fag's freeforall, perpetual wine and cheese party, at the expense of the mindless, the insane, and the poor, and you are just one of their Pimps. Your Christian religions are essentially just blood-sucking, life-sucking, semen-sucking, parasites, feeding off of humanity like blood lusting insatiably thirsty vampires in perpetual feeding mode... Your Jesus died for his own sins, and you are spreading the glorious evils of hell on earth, in preaching and teaching the mindless that death is better than life.. which is definitely "insanity".. and is why humanity has lost all respect for humanity and life...
Your religions have labeled all the good in humanity as bad.. and has replaced all the good of humanity with a great insatiable hunger for more and more money...
Our money is to drive our own lives.. not for fanatics, scammers, and cons, to live freely off of...
Our blood is in us for us, not in us for Christian preachers to feed it to their Christian vampire masters...
Your religions don't have the first clue how to effect the afterlife, nor how to navigate it...

Provide just one real honest shred of actual proof that your god exists!.. just one...

i'm not religious, and i have all the proof i need in abundance. where's yours?

 

[(Q)]

i'm not religious, and i have all the proof i need in abundance. where's yours?

One of the most ridiculous things you've said thus far. Of course you're religious, by definition. You believe in a supernatural being.

 

[cosmicbrat]

Look at it in a scientific set of view-points...
Look at it logically... Christianity invented the present Money System, to prevent the accumulating vile stench of decaying tithing produce and animal dung in the fronts of temples...
Money is Christianity... Capitalism is Money... Today's government is Money, All three love your money much more than they care about you... Christianity owns the money people's minds... Most of the free-world is mired-in, and conditioned with Christianity's mind programming, making it not as free as they think... Should a person who is Christian conditioned begin to process thought using more than 7% mind, that person will suddenly experience a migraine headache... And should that person then commence verbalizing (preaching) a Christian dogma, the headache will vanish, from the conditioning triggering a quantity of that person's internal bio-anesthetics into the nervous system...
Prove it to yourselves... Image you are doing something extremely vile to one of your Christian heroes... When the headache gets to be real strong, do the preaching the dogma thing, and notice that you suddenly gets a good shot of your body's internal drugs, which cools the conditioning's painful constricted nerve plumbing... Money is all about manipulating people with pain and rewards... It's all related to Christianity maintaining its hold on Innocents.. so much so, that sometimes religious leaders have been known to even blatantly attack and molest and rob the innocence of babies, by sexually molesting them just to get their pious righteous Christian-rocks off, like a Roman Catholic priest molested me when I was three months old...

We abuse and misuse Money... Most of the criminal element is money-based...
Governments are horribly infested with money-sucking criminals, parasitizing the masses for more and more money... Look at Bush's MO... I bet that guys Karma is gonna come back at him in the form of the worst cancers one could imagine... You can't escape Life's balancing factors... All the evil you do comes back at you when you are weak, and can defend yourself the least... Money has become the evil, in how we use it... But now Money has taken on a life of its own, and is now in process of spending all life, to make itself grow... Money doesn't have a definition of life in its equation... Money doesn't care if it spends all life... Money only wants to grow and grow itself, by spending more and more life... Today the increasing oil prices are boosting the transportation costs of everything, which is increasing the cost of everything, essentially spending more life, by literally spending the quality of life or humanity... Big Money doesn't care if humanity lives or dies... Look what's happening in Arabia... Big Money America is using a reborn Christian Inquisition, and their Christian military war machine to attack and rob the little poppy & oil rich nations who can defend themselves the least... Money's war is is just one way money plays... America is robbing Arabia's dope and oil to make American economy grow... Economy is Money...

Without Money, Religion dies.. Governments die.. Crime dies.. War dies.. All that remains is Life...

How did the planet build the dinosaur ages without money..?
How does the Sun maintain Life without money..?
How does a blade of grass grow without money..?
How does winter succumb to Spring without money..?
How does conception happen without money..?
How can Life continue, with money destroying the very life support systems which nurtures and cradles all life..?
How will you get to your "heaven" with money..? Who, and what, do you pay for your entry into your proverbial "heaven"..?

Christianity = Capitalism = Money = Religion = Politics = War = Crime = Evil... It's all about Money... All the strife on the planet is money-based...

Humanity is heading head first into an early extinction, and are taking all life on the planet with us... Each second there is less and less life on the planet... One day planet earth is gonna run out of life if this foolishness continues... It's all about how a few thousand of us, in control, are abusing money... It's a vile disease... It's called "Gold Fever"... All the infected one can see is money and profit... Life has become a trivial pursuit... Add to that vile greed disease, "God Fever".. and you've got a species hellbent on destroying their planet as fast and hard as they can, for god and money...

I was coining-out a PacMan video-game in a Jewish community center, and was being watched by four little Jewish boys... The moment I began pouring the thousands of quarters into the coin-counter, two of the little Jewish boys began drooling... So profuse was their drooling that it as falling from their chins in long gooey strings, landing on the tops of their shoes in puddles... Seeing that made me feel extremely nauseous...

If I won a huge multi-million dollar lotto, suddenly I would have lots of friends...

Money is Christianity... Capitalism is Money... Today's government is Money... Christianity owns the money people's minds... Most of the free-world is mired-in, and conditioned with Christianity's mind programming, making it not as free as they think... Should a person who is Christian conditioned begin to process thought using more than 7% mind, that person will suddenly experience a migraine headache... And should that person then commence verbalizing (preaching) a Christian dogma, the headache will vanish, from the conditioning triggering a quantity of that person's internal bio-anesthetics into the nervous system...
Prove it to yourselves... Image you are doing something extremely vile to one of your Christian heroes... When the headache gets to be real strong, do the preaching the dogma thing, and notice that you suddenly gets a good shot of your body's internal drugs, which cools the conditioning's painful constricted nerve plumbing... Money is all about manipulating people with pain and rewards... It's all related to Christianity maintaining its hold on Innocents...

______


You can use this religious conditioning thing as a useful pain-elimination tool, to eliminate serious pain...
Next time you are in extreme pain, image yourself doing some extreme blasphemy.. then when the migraine gets strong start preaching a little Christian dogma, and all your pain will vanish the moment your invasive Christian conditioning releases a significant quantity of your body's bio-anesthetics into your nervous system...

Next time you are experiencing extreme fear, do the blasphemy thing, and then the preaching the dogma thing, and all your fears will vanish...

Next time you need to fight to protect yourself, do the exercise, and there's a good chance that should you sustain any damage in the battle, you won't feel any pain...

Should you happen to experience a study overload headache, that's because you are accessing more than the permitted 7% of your mind to cram for exams...
Set the books down, and start preaching a little Christian dogma, and the headache will suddenly vanish... Only Christian conditioned people get migraines and overload study headaches...

Better would be to totally eliminate the conditioning, once and for all.. unless you find that it's a good pain-relieving tool...
To eradicate the conditioning from your Being is quite simple... Get high on what ever you like to get to get high on... Get relaxed as you can... Place an unopened bottled beverage just out of reach... Go into deep a meditative state, where it's easy to visualize your thoughts... Image picking up the bottle, and grabbing the Nazarene ("Christ") by the back of his gold-sash ("belt"), and with all your might yank him backwards toward you, having him buckle-over forward.. and Ram the bottle cap through his toga, right up into his arse, while yelling in your mind "TIGHTEN UP!", and image yourself snapping the base of the bottle down, lightning-fast, snapping the cap off the bottle in the guy's bum... Then grin proud, and image yourself taking a refreshing-sip from the bottle...
Suddenly your conditioning will react in the extreme, in defending itself against your extreme hit.. which was based beyond the thought-processing which invented and created the conditioning... Thus the conditioning will now see that it has no-option but to suicide you, to protect itself from you possibly assisting others out of its vile mind prison... You will sense an increasing heat generating in your head, in the creative center, in the right brain hemisphere, top center.. then you will experience a couple of stingy audible crackles in the creative center.. is when you immediately cut all power to your thought processes, and the conditioning will safely self-destruct...
In a few minutes the stings will vanish, and your thoughts will suddenly fill-up with millions of new thoughts about the workings of Life and Reality and Science, and if you're lucky you'll see the gates to the afterlife too...
You have now freed yourself from the great abomination's insanity...
Now your life is all yours to do with as You please, unhindered by invasive money-sucking mind-controls... And no more migraines...


Use your religious conditioning as a pain-relieving tool... or eliminate the invasive pain at its source by neutralizing the mind control conditioning...