If it interacts with the world, it's possible to demonstrate evidence. If it doesn't interact with the world, then the situation is identical to it not existing. You can't have it both ways.
Is belief in a god just self-delusion?
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Then why be concerned with it in the least?
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Originally Posted by Norsefire
God, the concept of a superior intelligence, is infinitely larger than we can comprehend, it is impossible IN ANY WAY to disprove or prove it."
The irony of it, is the greater the Being is, the stupider it is...
The greater Beings I met needed to be taught that my touch was safe...
It's easy to comprehend a greater Being.. Simple! Just be friends with it, and it will let you in...
And you are correct in one thing.. It is impossible to prove god.. because it doesn't exist, but in your mind, in your wishes, but not in your dreams...
Ever notice that no one ever dreams of "god"...
God, the concept of a superior intelligence, is infinitely larger than we can comprehend, it is impossible IN ANY WAY to disprove or prove it."
The irony of it, is the greater the Being is, the stupider it is...
The greater Beings I met needed to be taught that my touch was safe...
It's easy to comprehend a greater Being.. Simple! Just be friends with it, and it will let you in...
And you are correct in one thing.. It is impossible to prove god.. because it doesn't exist, but in your mind, in your wishes, but not in your dreams...
Ever notice that no one ever dreams of "god"...
True, but only if speaking from a POV regarding OUR existence, our universe, but that does not mean that there is not a greater intelligence beyond that of Humanity, and beyond that which we can sense and comprehend. Whether or not this intelligence has much interaction, if any, with our existence, I do not know.
I've already explained, it is impossible to prove God (or disprove) because the concept involves a force beyond what we can sense and what we can comprehend, and you can't prove (or disprove) what you can't understand.
I don't know; why waste the time? I ask too.
However, I am interested in the cultural and social advantages of faith vs atheism within a society, and therefore while I myself am agnostic, I do want faith to be preserved within a society as I believe removing it is removing a MASSIVE aspect of society; i.e, how much of modern culture, practice, tradition, etc, has derived from faith? And what impact would removing faith have? It simply isn't worth it, and that's why I believe a moderate form of faith must be preserved, lest we lose that element and descend into some money and drug-obsessed void.
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You just admitted that if there's any interaction, the phenomenon is testable. If there's no interaction, it may as well not exist.
But you're missing the larger point: it's pointless to postulate a god. Unless you have some evidence of which I'm unaware, there remains no reason to suspect that any manner of god exists. Obviously, I could go on to draw the unicorns/dragons/faeries/spaghetti monster parallels, but I imagine you've heard this before.
Defining faith as "belief without evidence," what, exactly, do you find redeeming about faith?
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There is a greater Being, but it's not necessarily omnipotent...
I met a greater Being several times.. five times it spoke...
In the first incident, it spoke twice... I had severed my spinal cord in a fatal accident, and managed to do the necessary mind to cause my DNA to secrete its gel stuff, which repaired the break, and rerouted nerves... Now medi-scans show that my spinal cord was severed, and rejoined 15-degrees rotated, at the break-site, between my shoulders... It's a long story... Anyway, after I got sensation back in my lower half, and was standing again, a black creature, resembling a classic monk's shroud, entered from my 7
clock, appearing and disappearing as if it was somehow moving in "folds in the air"... It positioned itself ten-feet from me, and we got into some pretty scary stuff... Near the end of it, I hyperventilated, and summoned me deepest strongest voice, and shouted at the top of my lungs just before my voice breaking, while I pointed at the ground fifty-feet from me, saying, "Now Go and Not Return!"... Some greater Being said the same words simultaneously with my words, but so Loud that it nearly burst my eardrums, and it shook the ground, and the leaves of trees a hundred yards away, and made the ground tremble like tank speeding-by a few feet from me... The creature bowed its head and obeyed.. but left a stench so rude that it froze-up my breathing for nearly four minutes...
I just managed to make my way home, walking the five-miles after having my spinal cord reattached... That was one H of an experience... There were times I just waned to lay down on someones lawn and die.. the pain was so extreme that every breath pulled me into a couple seconds of unconsciousness... Curbs were real nasty to negotiate...
I made it home, and up the stairs, barely, and to a cold bath to cool some of the fire in my back, and climbed into bed, and me mum comes in, and touches right on the break-site, and I gets knocked unconscious for a moment... She suggests I go visit my uncle the chiropractor.. is when that same voice says, "Do Not! for the child does not fathom gelling nerve tissue.".. but not so loud as before.. I passed on the chiropractor... I found the least painful position to lay in.. locked it in, and slept in that position for 43-hours straight... I woke, seeing 30-foot animated auras around trees, and 6-foot multi-colored vapor-trails behind flying birds.. and billions of new thoughts swirling in my mind...
The next time I heard that voice, a female adolescent Bigfoot had approached my deep-woods campsite, and had touched my neck, and had paralyzed me, and touched a second time, and was scanning my seven memory rivers, which gave me the op to see the machinery of my memory system... I telepathed to the beast, " May I scan you while you scan me?"... The reply came into the ear that was facing the ground... That same extremely powerful rumbling voice.. shook the ground like a tank speeding close by, says, "Look No Touch!"... While I was looking in their species collective unconscious, and had paused a moment, the same voice asked, "Did you learn?"...
I replied, "I learned"...
If it were a god, I'd suppose it would have known that, and what, I learned...
The next time I heard that voice, I was sleeping half out of my tent near a deserted mining town, near Goldbridge BC, when something pressed hard on my bum, twice, and I started to wake... The same voice said, "You Do Not want to wake into what is transpiring!".. so I accepted that, and tried to push myself back into sleep while rolling over in trying to escape the vile stench that came in with every in-breath... I rolled over as I made a little irritated whiny sound... I woke about a minute later, to find that a grizzly's claws had punctured the plastic tarp under/beside the sheepskins that I was laying on, wide deep claw holes/rips in the plastic tarp 4-inches from my nose...
OK.. so I heard a big voice a couple times.. but I don't have a clue what owns that voice..? Whatever it is, I bet it's Big!.. and I suppose it's watching over me... But I doubt it's an angel, nor a god.. Maybe it's a friendly dragon..?
Maybe it's Merlin, given that when I was three months old the ruby he placed on my chest sunk into my solarplex, and must therefore be apart of me, or me a part of him..? given that I seem to know so much weird magic, but was never taught it... It's all natural... It's a super fun ride... I figured you humes would want to learn it, but all you give is flack... It's as if you are content with your slide into extinction... I just can't figure you out..?
What ever owns that big voice is just a good friend that some times talks very loud... I don't label-it, in respect of it...
I don't believe in "gods".. I believe in Life and Love... And it seems Life and Love believes in me...
If anyone has any data on what owns that big voice, I'd sure love to hear about it...
I met a greater Being several times.. five times it spoke...
In the first incident, it spoke twice... I had severed my spinal cord in a fatal accident, and managed to do the necessary mind to cause my DNA to secrete its gel stuff, which repaired the break, and rerouted nerves... Now medi-scans show that my spinal cord was severed, and rejoined 15-degrees rotated, at the break-site, between my shoulders... It's a long story... Anyway, after I got sensation back in my lower half, and was standing again, a black creature, resembling a classic monk's shroud, entered from my 7
clock, appearing and disappearing as if it was somehow moving in "folds in the air"... It positioned itself ten-feet from me, and we got into some pretty scary stuff... Near the end of it, I hyperventilated, and summoned me deepest strongest voice, and shouted at the top of my lungs just before my voice breaking, while I pointed at the ground fifty-feet from me, saying, "Now Go and Not Return!"... Some greater Being said the same words simultaneously with my words, but so Loud that it nearly burst my eardrums, and it shook the ground, and the leaves of trees a hundred yards away, and made the ground tremble like tank speeding-by a few feet from me... The creature bowed its head and obeyed.. but left a stench so rude that it froze-up my breathing for nearly four minutes...I just managed to make my way home, walking the five-miles after having my spinal cord reattached... That was one H of an experience... There were times I just waned to lay down on someones lawn and die.. the pain was so extreme that every breath pulled me into a couple seconds of unconsciousness... Curbs were real nasty to negotiate...
I made it home, and up the stairs, barely, and to a cold bath to cool some of the fire in my back, and climbed into bed, and me mum comes in, and touches right on the break-site, and I gets knocked unconscious for a moment... She suggests I go visit my uncle the chiropractor.. is when that same voice says, "Do Not! for the child does not fathom gelling nerve tissue.".. but not so loud as before.. I passed on the chiropractor... I found the least painful position to lay in.. locked it in, and slept in that position for 43-hours straight... I woke, seeing 30-foot animated auras around trees, and 6-foot multi-colored vapor-trails behind flying birds.. and billions of new thoughts swirling in my mind...
The next time I heard that voice, a female adolescent Bigfoot had approached my deep-woods campsite, and had touched my neck, and had paralyzed me, and touched a second time, and was scanning my seven memory rivers, which gave me the op to see the machinery of my memory system... I telepathed to the beast, " May I scan you while you scan me?"... The reply came into the ear that was facing the ground... That same extremely powerful rumbling voice.. shook the ground like a tank speeding close by, says, "Look No Touch!"... While I was looking in their species collective unconscious, and had paused a moment, the same voice asked, "Did you learn?"...
I replied, "I learned"...
If it were a god, I'd suppose it would have known that, and what, I learned...
The next time I heard that voice, I was sleeping half out of my tent near a deserted mining town, near Goldbridge BC, when something pressed hard on my bum, twice, and I started to wake... The same voice said, "You Do Not want to wake into what is transpiring!".. so I accepted that, and tried to push myself back into sleep while rolling over in trying to escape the vile stench that came in with every in-breath... I rolled over as I made a little irritated whiny sound... I woke about a minute later, to find that a grizzly's claws had punctured the plastic tarp under/beside the sheepskins that I was laying on, wide deep claw holes/rips in the plastic tarp 4-inches from my nose...
OK.. so I heard a big voice a couple times.. but I don't have a clue what owns that voice..? Whatever it is, I bet it's Big!.. and I suppose it's watching over me... But I doubt it's an angel, nor a god.. Maybe it's a friendly dragon..?
Maybe it's Merlin, given that when I was three months old the ruby he placed on my chest sunk into my solarplex, and must therefore be apart of me, or me a part of him..? given that I seem to know so much weird magic, but was never taught it... It's all natural... It's a super fun ride... I figured you humes would want to learn it, but all you give is flack... It's as if you are content with your slide into extinction... I just can't figure you out..?
What ever owns that big voice is just a good friend that some times talks very loud... I don't label-it, in respect of it...
I don't believe in "gods".. I believe in Life and Love... And it seems Life and Love believes in me...
If anyone has any data on what owns that big voice, I'd sure love to hear about it...
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Why I attack "God" (notice the quotes)
Here it goes folks-
My Mom was raised Orthodox Jewish, my Dad was raised a Conservative Jew, and I was raised as a reformed Jew (no Yamaka on the Rabbi, but we wore 'em). I never believed in God as it did not pass the "What's the proof test". But first let's get our terms straight:
God is an entity that has the ability to create, reason, destroy, hear prayers, and other Godly things. May take the form of man (Jesus) or sit on a cloudy thrown. He may even look like George Burns! He may be a uni-functional God like a Tree God.
If your definition of God is "That" (that which is unknown), Mother Nature, the Universe, or the likes, please do not read on. This does not apply to your God.
How can we take a person seriously if they believe in invisible men, people and dinosaurs coexisting 6000 years ago (you go Sarah Palin, ass wipe), wine turning into blood every Sunday (one of my favorites)? This from a book about a person marrying their half sister, stoning wives (like that one ladies), banning gays, banning shell fish, speaking of boats holding 2 of every animal in the world, handing things down from the sky, the fig leaf dude, etc.
God wasn't mentioned at my house (except for God Damn it), but was at our temple. I was not only required to go to high holidays (puff), but "Sunday School", and two retreats. What a fuckin' waste of a good Sunday morning.
Don't force God on me please!!!! No wonder the Romans tacked him up on a cross--they got pissed off (actually I am against killing and condemn the Romans for all of their acts of torture and killing). I believe that living things are sacred; but not non-existent things.
So why am I so pissed off? Sarah Palin. The Born Agains/Morons (the Latter Day Saints). 90% of the Wars including 911. Many of our stupid laws and customs. All of the time wasted which could be used to cure Cancer and bring on world peace.
This will make you laugh the hardest (if you have a sense of irony), I am a Buddhist.
"My God's on Tour" (a reference to his holiness, Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead). And he did LSD!!!!
Here it goes folks-
My Mom was raised Orthodox Jewish, my Dad was raised a Conservative Jew, and I was raised as a reformed Jew (no Yamaka on the Rabbi, but we wore 'em). I never believed in God as it did not pass the "What's the proof test". But first let's get our terms straight:
God is an entity that has the ability to create, reason, destroy, hear prayers, and other Godly things. May take the form of man (Jesus) or sit on a cloudy thrown. He may even look like George Burns! He may be a uni-functional God like a Tree God.
If your definition of God is "That" (that which is unknown), Mother Nature, the Universe, or the likes, please do not read on. This does not apply to your God.
How can we take a person seriously if they believe in invisible men, people and dinosaurs coexisting 6000 years ago (you go Sarah Palin, ass wipe), wine turning into blood every Sunday (one of my favorites)? This from a book about a person marrying their half sister, stoning wives (like that one ladies), banning gays, banning shell fish, speaking of boats holding 2 of every animal in the world, handing things down from the sky, the fig leaf dude, etc.
God wasn't mentioned at my house (except for God Damn it), but was at our temple. I was not only required to go to high holidays (puff), but "Sunday School", and two retreats. What a fuckin' waste of a good Sunday morning.
Don't force God on me please!!!! No wonder the Romans tacked him up on a cross--they got pissed off (actually I am against killing and condemn the Romans for all of their acts of torture and killing). I believe that living things are sacred; but not non-existent things.
So why am I so pissed off? Sarah Palin. The Born Agains/Morons (the Latter Day Saints). 90% of the Wars including 911. Many of our stupid laws and customs. All of the time wasted which could be used to cure Cancer and bring on world peace.
This will make you laugh the hardest (if you have a sense of irony), I am a Buddhist.
"My God's on Tour" (a reference to his holiness, Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead). And he did LSD!!!!
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You nailed it.
Please let us know where you got your drugs and what kind that you are on...we have a word for this, "thought". People refuse to believe that we just don't know-and a book of fables, even an old one, doesn't prove anything. I could write a book too with all kings of off the wall stories about whatever (i.e. Scientology and the creatures from outer space). God exists because he exists? Really?There is a greater Being, but it's not necessarily omnipotent...
I met a greater Being several times.. five times it spoke...
In the first incident, it spoke twice... I had severed my spinal cord in a fatal accident, and managed to do the necessary mind to cause my DNA to secrete its gel stuff, which repaired the break, and rerouted nerves... Now medi-scans show that my spinal cord was severed, and rejoined 15-degrees rotated, at the break-site, between my shoulders... It's a long story... Anyway, after I got sensation back in my lower half, and was standing again, a black creature, resembling a classic monk's shroud, entered from my 7
I just managed to make my way home, walking the five-miles after having my spinal cord reattached... That was one H of an experience... There were times I just waned to lay down on someones lawn and die.. the pain was so extreme that every breath pulled me into a couple seconds of unconsciousness... Curbs were real nasty to negotiate...
I made it home, and up the stairs, barely, and to a cold bath to cool some of the fire in my back, and climbed into bed, and me mum comes in, and touches right on the break-site, and I gets knocked unconscious for a moment... She suggests I go visit my uncle the chiropractor.. is when that same voice says, "Do Not! for the child does not fathom gelling nerve tissue.".. but not so loud as before.. I passed on the chiropractor... I found the least painful position to lay in.. locked it in, and slept in that position for 43-hours straight... I woke, seeing 30-foot animated auras around trees, and 6-foot multi-colored vapor-trails behind flying birds.. and billions of new thoughts swirling in my mind...
The next time I heard that voice, a female adolescent Bigfoot had approached my deep-woods campsite, and had touched my neck, and had paralyzed me, and touched a second time, and was scanning my seven memory rivers, which gave me the op to see the machinery of my memory system... I telepathed to the beast, " May I scan you while you scan me?"... The reply came into the ear that was facing the ground... That same extremely powerful rumbling voice.. shook the ground like a tank speeding close by, says, "Look No Touch!"... While I was looking in their species collective unconscious, and had paused a moment, the same voice asked, "Did you learn?"...
I replied, "I learned"...
If it were a god, I'd suppose it would have known that, and what, I learned...
The next time I heard that voice, I was sleeping half out of my tent near a deserted mining town, near Goldbridge BC, when something pressed hard on my bum, twice, and I started to wake... The same voice said, "You Do Not want to wake into what is transpiring!".. so I accepted that, and tried to push myself back into sleep while rolling over in trying to escape the vile stench that came in with every in-breath... I rolled over as I made a little irritated whiny sound... I woke about a minute later, to find that a grizzly's claws had punctured the plastic tarp under/beside the sheepskins that I was laying on, wide deep claw holes/rips in the plastic tarp 4-inches from my nose...
OK.. so I heard a big voice a couple times.. but I don't have a clue what owns that voice..? Whatever it is, I bet it's Big!.. and I suppose it's watching over me... But I doubt it's an angel, nor a god.. Maybe it's a friendly dragon..?
Maybe it's Merlin, given that when I was three months old the ruby he placed on my chest sunk into my solarplex, and must therefore be apart of me, or me a part of him..? given that I seem to know so much weird magic, but was never taught it... It's all natural... It's a super fun ride... I figured you humes would want to learn it, but all you give is flack... It's as if you are content with your slide into extinction... I just can't figure you out..?
What ever owns that big voice is just a good friend that some times talks very loud... I don't label-it, in respect of it...
I don't believe in "gods".. I believe in Life and Love... And it seems Life and Love believes in me...
If anyone has any data on what owns that big voice, I'd sure love to hear about it...
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Great thread
I just joined this website because I thought it would be interesting. I used to believe in God or something like that, and I'm not sure I do now, in the way anyone else does anyway. People are too narrow-minded in what they think God is. Really orthodox Christians can't seem to justify Science or the evolution theory because they think a God existing means that God does every little thing. God could just be the power that made those little bacterial cells which all life evolved from. Alternatively, God could easily just not exist. People that believe in organised religions are buying into a money-making, controlling scheme. If you want to believe in God, follow your own beliefs and rationalisations, not random made-up stories and laws which people made up ages ago and have nothing to do with religion. People evolved, there's no reason to believe we are the best design and that the world was created for and around us. We're not that great. The only thing which makes us better than other animals is that we're cleverer. I get astonished and disgusted by how religious people can just ignore Scientific facts in front of them, or believe in all that weird stuff in the bible. They're just showing how they'll believe anything to make themselves feel better about death. Mostly, people are really stupid for clever beings, and should get over it. Science is right.
I just joined this website because I thought it would be interesting. I used to believe in God or something like that, and I'm not sure I do now, in the way anyone else does anyway. People are too narrow-minded in what they think God is. Really orthodox Christians can't seem to justify Science or the evolution theory because they think a God existing means that God does every little thing. God could just be the power that made those little bacterial cells which all life evolved from. Alternatively, God could easily just not exist. People that believe in organised religions are buying into a money-making, controlling scheme. If you want to believe in God, follow your own beliefs and rationalisations, not random made-up stories and laws which people made up ages ago and have nothing to do with religion. People evolved, there's no reason to believe we are the best design and that the world was created for and around us. We're not that great. The only thing which makes us better than other animals is that we're cleverer. I get astonished and disgusted by how religious people can just ignore Scientific facts in front of them, or believe in all that weird stuff in the bible. They're just showing how they'll believe anything to make themselves feel better about death. Mostly, people are really stupid for clever beings, and should get over it. Science is right.
You assume you are right even though you are a simply human being like the rest of us. How do you even figure you know that there is no "God" in the literal or figurative sense. Ignorance is cloud. Look passed it an you couldn't think anymore.
There's no proof of God. Nobody in their right mind could say they know he's not there, but it seems more likely he doesn't exist, because there's no proof. I could say I am a frog, and none of you could prove me wrong, because you don't know who I am, but it would still be unlikely, taking into account the general intelligence of frogs and stuff, that I am a frog. Yeah?
In that case, I know God isn't real. The evidence is stacked against him existing, in the same way the evidence is stacked against me being a frog. You can't prove I'm not a frog. It's not irrelevant. I'm trying to use an example. YOU CAN'T KNOW I'M NOT A FROG FOR A FACT.
I'm just saying you act like you know for a fact.
Your not a frog I know for a fact.
Where did you aquire an education? where your parents frogs? how did they bring you up in such a way. I'm sure if you were a frog I would know about it.
Unless you morph into a human but you are in fact a frog. Which doesn't make any sense.
The believe in "God" can make sense for you know nothing outside of what you are even capable to think. You do not know how many different explanations for "God" there is or what "God" comes from. Stupid thread.
The fact that you get "were" and "where" confused just throws all your education arguments back in your face. The whole frog thing was just irrelevant, as you said, so try to understand it as an example, which is how it was meant. What I'm saying is, anyone could claim anything, SUCH AS ME BEING A FROG, and you can't give me a piece of evidence to prove I'm not a very intelligent frog who can type. Go on, give me a piece of evidence. Exactly. So I'm saying, you can't give me a solid piece of evidence that God or something close to God exists, so I'll take it for a fact, the same way you take for a fact that I'm not a frog. Please tell me you understand that.