Invisible Forces

[Nicholas Marks]

The universe is all held together by invisible and undetectable, imploding, electric forces…In fact, they are only detectable by the behaviour of the things they interact with. Gravity is one of these forces, as is the strong nuclear force within the atom. The weak atomic force is a residual force of that strong nuclear force and electro magnetism is a bi-product of those same forces, which also manifest themselves within the living cell. It is the fact that these forces all unify with each other that is our guarantee that we are…here…on the right track.

If we see the entire mass of the universe as the condensed and compressed form of an otherwise weak, invisible, undetectable, yet superabundant electrical material, we can start to piece together what happened to that material which created all the mass, and all the laws harnessed within that mass.

This material must have just drifted around space, building up into many, huge, dense, galaxy sized, clouds, which can erupt in such a way that a galaxy is born and, in the first instance, one such great eruption sent out shockwaves that passed through all such mass-less clouds, kicking up one heck of a storm in each and every one of them.

Each cloud, carried by the shockwave, went spinning outward. Some crashing into others and some just spiralling out into the great void of space, but, each one of them, totally immersed in an electric storm…a massive, electric storm, that had a striking resemblance to the hurricane storm forces, we witness, here, on planet Earth, today. The trigger to set all this in motion had to be the merging together of two, such, gigantic clouds. Their dense cores would recreate what happens in the Hadron collider but up-scaled a trillion, trillion, times, and the result would be an almighty crash which initialised the universe, as we now know it, including all the sciences that we have now come to love…

...and the evidence for all of this is etched in the form of a huge, swirling, imploding, force, the remnant eye of that galaxial, electric hurricane...at the centre of each galaxy…the black hole.

Debunkers welcome.

 

[AlexG]

Word Salad.

 

[Nicholas Marks]

Word Salad.

The depth of thought that has gone into this 'word salad' tells me that it is the science of the future which unifies everything into a single, concise, understanding of the universe...quite important when we consider some of the more serious aspects of existence...but hey...your description of it will not cause it to go away...scientific truth has a way of growing and growing.

 

[Pincho Paxton]

The universe is all held together by invisible and undetectable, imploding, electric forces…In fact, they are only detectable by the behaviour of the things they interact with. Gravity is one of these forces, as is the strong nuclear force within the atom. The weak atomic force is a residual force of that strong nuclear force and electro magnetism is a bi-product of those same forces, which also manifest themselves within the living cell. It is the fact that these forces all unify with each other that is our guarantee that we are…here…on the right track.

If we see the entire mass of the universe as the condensed and compressed form of an otherwise weak, invisible, undetectable, yet superabundant electrical material, we can start to piece together what happened to that material which created all the mass, and all the laws harnessed within that mass.

This material must have just drifted around space, building up into many, huge, dense, galaxy sized, clouds, which can erupt in such a way that a galaxy is born and, in the first instance, one such great eruption sent out shockwaves that passed through all such mass-less clouds, kicking up one heck of a storm in each and every one of them.

Each cloud, carried by the shockwave, went spinning outward. Some crashing into others and some just spiralling out into the great void of space, but, each one of them, totally immersed in an electric storm…a massive, electric storm, that had a striking resemblance to the hurricane storm forces, we witness, here, on planet Earth, today. The trigger to set all this in motion had to be the merging together of two, such, gigantic clouds. Their dense cores would recreate what happens in the Hadron collider but up-scaled a trillion, trillion, times, and the result would be an almighty crash which initialised the universe, as we now know it, including all the sciences that we have now come to love…

...and the evidence for all of this is etched in the form of a huge, swirling, imploding, force, the remnant eye of that galaxial, electric hurricane...at the centre of each galaxy…the black hole.

Debunkers welcome.

Well it's closer than most people get to being right. But to be absolutely precise you need to figure out the physics of the particles, because those physics are central to this behaviour, and they are physics which are very interesting, but not common knowledge.

 

[Boris2]

The universe is all held together by invisible and undetectable, imploding, electric forces…

if they're undetectable how do we know they're there?

 

[wlminex]

if they're undetectable how do we know they're there?

Perhaps by . . . . Intuitive and inferential deductions that are then proven true or false

 

[Boris2]

Perhaps by . . . . Intuitive and inferential deductions that are then proven true or false

how would you "prove" them? they are undetectable so no experiment can be run to "prove" them. sure we can infer their existence. bit like the higgs. but at least that is, theoretically, able to be "proved".

 

[Nicholas Marks]

The evidence of its existence is its ability to unify into one understanding of science.

If we use 'dark matter' as this superabundant, dynamic material, we have a material with all the right characteristics and, that, is only suspected to exist because the calculations demand it.

It is the hurricane forces which are the key to understanding the rest. A dense electric cloud...with a hole in the middle, will, in these circumstances, have a trillion, trillion tonnes of material bearing down upon that hole and whether a macro hole, the size of a star or a miniscule hole, the size of an atom...that surrounding energy will crash into it and, by my reasoning, create stars and atoms, en masse.

 

[Boris2]

If we use 'dark matter' as this superabundant, dynamic material, we have a material with all the right characteristics and, that, is only suspected to exist because the calculations demand it.

DM isn't undetectable though. we infer its existence by observation but as yet as we don't know what it is we can't build detectors to answer the question of what it is. this is completely different to an undetectable substance.

 

[AlexG]

The evidence of its existence is its ability to unify into one understanding of science.

If we use 'dark matter' as this superabundant, dynamic material, we have a material with all the right characteristics and, that, is only suspected to exist because the calculations demand it.

It is the hurricane forces which are the key to understanding the rest. A dense electric cloud...with a hole in the middle, will, in these circumstances, have a trillion, trillion tonnes of material bearing down upon that hole and whether a macro hole, the size of a star or a miniscule hole, the size of an atom...that surrounding energy will crash into it and, by my reasoning, create stars and atoms, en masse.

This is just silly, meaningless word salad.

 

[wlminex]

how would you "prove" them? they are undetectable so no experiment can be run to "prove" them. sure we can infer their existence. bit like the higgs. but at least that is, theoretically, able to be "proved".

Basically . . . . by application of the Scientific Method . . . . there are still 'theories' and methodologies yet to be discovered.

 

[DaveC426913]

Nicholas, your intentions may be good and I applaud your imagination, but AlexG is correct.

What you have asserted carries no weight. It uses unscientific terms and contains no numbers or predictions, nor does it suggest anything testable that might be different from our current theories.

Not to mention the fact - and this really belongs at the top of this post rather than bottom, but - your ideas simply do not match what we observe.

Essentially you've said "Lot's of swirly stuff going on. Galaxies swirl. Black holes at the middle. Theory!"

That is what AlexG correctly identifies as word salad.

Physicists and cosmologists don't spend their days building mathematically accurate models to match a century of observations because it looks good on their resumes.

Doing some basic reading on astrophysics and basic cosmology would be a good start for you along that path.

 

[Nicholas Marks]

Nicholas, your intentions may be good and I applaud your imagination, but AlexG is correct.

What you have asserted carries no weight. It uses unscientific terms and contains no numbers or predictions, nor does it suggest anything testable that might be different from our current theories.

Not to mention the fact - and this really belongs at the top of this post rather than bottom, but - your ideas simply do not match what we observe.

Essentially you've said "Lot's of swirly stuff going on. Galaxies swirl. Black holes at the middle. Theory!"

That is what AlexG correctly identifies as word salad.

Physicists and cosmologists don't spend their days building mathematically accurate models to match a century of observations because it looks good on their resumes.

Doing some basic reading on astrophysics and basic cosmology would be a good start for you along that path.

We are dealing here with a material and forces eminating fom that material which will never be seen...but can be implied by the behaviour it causes. Besides which...I am building this understanding on all the mathematical equations that precede it.

The formation of a galaxy is quite simple when these forces are applied. The swirling, crashing forces within the hurricane, which sprung into life after the shockwave passed through, had an eye...a funnel and a rim, and the hole created at the eye in the midst of that dense, electric, cloud, sucked in a solar amount of energy which passed up the funnel and was centrifugally discharged at the rim. One after the other followed this path whilst, simultaniously, these atomless, solar spheres, of even denser matter were having an atom producing party. The swirling crashing forces were creating their own miniscule hole and the slightest hint of such a hole had this dense material charging into it in less time than it takes to blink. The first rush of electrical charge would create the neutrons...Excess, swept away from the hole would be immediately recalled as the hole pulsed, forming protons, then a third pulse would create the electrons clinging to the lines of imploding force that seeped past the inner nuclear forces. The electrons would have opposing spin to the protons so wouldn't they couldn't come together, but the strong nuclear force wont let them go without a struggle.

Dependant upon the depth within a star would determine the pressures and size of hole created and this would determine the type of atom produced on a graduating scale. The heavier atoms towards the core and the lighter, hydrogen atoms at the stars surface.

 

[Nicholas Marks]

Nicholas, your intentions may be good and I applaud your imagination, but AlexG is correct.

What you have asserted carries no weight. It uses unscientific terms and contains no numbers or predictions, nor does it suggest anything testable that might be different from our current theories.

Not to mention the fact - and this really belongs at the top of this post rather than bottom, but - your ideas simply do not match what we observe.

Essentially you've said "Lot's of swirly stuff going on. Galaxies swirl. Black holes at the middle. Theory!"

That is what AlexG correctly identifies as word salad.

Physicists and cosmologists don't spend their days building mathematically accurate models to match a century of observations because it looks good on their resumes.

Doing some basic reading on astrophysics and basic cosmology would be a good start for you along that path.

We are dealing here with a material and forces eminating fom that material which will never be seen...but can be implied by the behaviour it causes. Besides which...I am building this understanding on all the mathematical equations that precede it.

The formation of a galaxy is quite simple when these forces are applied. The swirling, crashing forces within the hurricane, which sprung into life after the shockwave passed through, had an eye...a funnel and a rim, and the hole created at the eye in the midst of that dense, electric, cloud, sucked in a solar amount of energy which passed up the funnel and was centrifugally discharged at the rim. One after the other followed this path whilst, simultaniously, these atomless, solar spheres, of even denser matter were having an atom producing party. The swirling crashing forces were creating their own miniscule hole and the slightest hint of such a hole had this dense material charging into it in less time than it takes to blink. The first rush of electrical charge would create the neutrons...Excess, swept away from the hole would be immediately recalled as the hole pulsed, forming protons, then a third pulse would create the electrons clinging to the lines of imploding force that seeped past the inner nuclear forces. The electrons would have opposing spin to the protons so wouldn't they couldn't come together, but the strong nuclear force wont let them go without a struggle.

Dependant upon the depth within a star would determine the pressures and size of hole created and this would determine the type of atom produced on a graduating scale. The heavier atoms towards the core and the lighter, hydrogen atoms at the stars surface.

 

[Nicholas Marks]

Nicholas, your intentions may be good and I applaud your imagination, but AlexG is correct.

What you have asserted carries no weight. It uses unscientific terms and contains no numbers or predictions, nor does it suggest anything testable that might be different from our current theories.

Not to mention the fact - and this really belongs at the top of this post rather than bottom, but - your ideas simply do not match what we observe.

Essentially you've said "Lot's of swirly stuff going on. Galaxies swirl. Black holes at the middle. Theory!"

That is what AlexG correctly identifies as word salad.

Physicists and cosmologists don't spend their days building mathematically accurate models to match a century of observations because it looks good on their resumes.

Doing some basic reading on astrophysics and basic cosmology would be a good start for you along that path.

We are dealing here with a material and forces eminating fom that material which will never be seen...but can be implied by the behaviour it causes. Besides which...I am building this understanding on all the mathematical equations that precede it.

The formation of a galaxy is quite simple when these forces are applied. The swirling, crashing forces within the hurricane, which sprung into life after the shockwave passed through, had an eye...a funnel and a rim, and the hole created at the eye in the midst of that dense, electric, cloud, sucked in a solar amount of energy which passed up the funnel and was centrifugally discharged at the rim. One after the other followed this path whilst, simultaniously, these atomless, solar spheres, of even denser matter were having an atom producing party. The swirling crashing forces were creating their own miniscule hole and the slightest hint of such a hole had this dense material charging into it in less time than it takes to blink. The first rush of electrical charge would create the neutrons...Excess, swept away from the hole would be immediately recalled as the hole pulsed, forming protons, then a third pulse would create the electrons clinging to the lines of imploding force that seeped past the inner nuclear forces. The electrons would have opposing spin to the protons so they couldn't come together, but the strong nuclear force wont let them go without a struggle.

Dependant upon the depth within a star would determine the pressures and size of hole created and this would determine the type of atom produced on a graduating scale. The heavier atoms towards the core and the lighter, hydrogen atoms at the stars surface.

 

[Nicholas Marks]

Sorry about the repeats...above...computer malfunctions.

 

[Pincho Paxton]

You can delete them.

 

[Xotica]

You can should delete them.

Fixed :thumbsup:

 

[AlexG]

We are dealing here with a material and forces eminating fom that material which will never be seen...but can be implied by the behaviour it causes. Besides which...I am building this understanding on all the mathematical equations that precede it.

But there are no mathematics in your Wild Ass Guess.

The formation of a galaxy is quite simple when these forces are applied. The swirling, crashing forces within the hurricane, which sprung into life after the shockwave passed through, had an eye...a funnel and a rim, and the hole created at the eye in the midst of that dense, electric, cloud, sucked in a solar amount of energy which passed up the funnel and was centrifugally discharged at the rim. One after the other followed this path whilst, simultaniously, these atomless, solar spheres, of even denser matter were having an atom producing party. The swirling crashing forces were creating their own miniscule hole and the slightest hint of such a hole had this dense material charging into it in less time than it takes to blink.

So, as Dave summarized, 'There was a lot of swirly things and then there was a galaxy.' It's not just word salad, it's bad word salad.

The first rush of electrical charge would create the neutrons...

Why and how?

Excess, swept away from the hole would be immediately recalled as the hole pulsed, forming protons

Pulsing? Swollen with need, tumescent with charge, driven to spew it's load of elementry particles...

then a third pulse would create the electrons clinging to the lines of imploding force that seeped past the inner nuclear forces

Three pulses? Galactic viagra?

The electrons would have opposing spin to the protons so they couldn't come together,

So that's why electrons repel protons. Oh wait, they don't, do they?

Dependant upon the depth within a star would determine the pressures and size of hole created and this would determine the type of atom produced on a graduating scale. The heavier atoms towards the core and the lighter, hydrogen atoms at the stars surface.

Word salad dressing.

 

[DaveC426913]

I'm sorry Nicholas, not trying to be mean but your word salad falls under the category of "not even wrong".

Rudolf Peierls writes that "a friend showed Pauli the paper of a young physicist which he suspected was not of great value but on which he wanted Pauli's views. Pauli remarked sadly, 'It is not even wrong.' "[2]

The phrase implies that even a wrong argument would have been better than the argument proposed, because an argument can only be found wrong after meeting the criteria for a scientific hypothesis. Arguments that are not even wrong do not meet these criteria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong

You cannot build a hypothesis on meaningless analogies such as hurricanes.

Your assertions about the dynamics of galaxies simply do not fit with observation.


I do not wish to discourage you, what I wish to do is encourage you to do some basic reading on the subject. You will quickly abandon these fanciful ideas as you learn more about astrophysics.