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And these words were engraved on the shell of the Great Turtle swimming in the void
And it was Turtles ALL the way down
Are you a Buddhist?
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And these words were engraved on the shell of the Great Turtle swimming in the void
And it was Turtles ALL the way down
Ah, but you would think that, Yazata, as you're without God.
Proof by repeated assertion is a logical fallacy. i.e. not a valid argument.So you're saying God does exist then?
Yep.I assert that God does not exist, as far as every single atheist.
Yes existence is objective
And it seems we shall never find out Jan given that you will not, from what all must presume actually means can not, produce any evidence.But like I said, nothing is going be what you regard as evidence for God,
Me unreasonable do you really think that ... Honestly Jan I know you don't mean that, you can't mean that...you either are playing games or unrealistic perhaps both.Because you have no idea of what God is, and you are not prepared to be reasonable in a discussion with people for whom God Is.
I have no need to make you look angry or emotional.I've said my piece, it has hit home, and you need to make me look as though I'm angry, or emotional.
Well let's look at things from your perspective Jan.We can currently only look at things from your perspective.
Do you read my posts Jan?I find that atheists like yourself cannot bring themselves to even take seriously the idea of God Is.
You have to make a joke of it, or turn the negative attention on the person who see the futility in your protests.
It is glaringly obvious.
No you don't and within this thread there are many examples.I accept the dictionary definition exactly for what it's practical value is.
You seem to have run out of bullets.In light of that, lacking belief in the existence of God or gods, is purely an intellectual position, or subjective if you prefer. There is no practical application of God probably does not exist. It means God does not exist.
You do well given your lack of material but all your games as you know will not turn make believe into existence.You're not listening. I accept it, because for you God does not exist. This is why I have to keep repeating myself, so that you always know the root cause of your current condition.
Let me quote the rest of the Proof by Repeated Assertion fallacy:Changing the subject. Why does it matter how long a thread is, or if it ever reaches a general conclusion. Won't it just stop like all other threads?
play games and folk will use you as the ball.
Proof by repeated assertion is a logical fallacy. i.e. not a valid argument.
Yep.
And since you also assert that existence is objective (i.e the same for everyone)
That means that God does not exist objectively - for everyone
I'm asserting a fact. Atheists are without God, because for them God does not exist.
Please feel free to show otherwise.
Jan reminds me of so many ladies I have witnessed sitting at the bar or table determinded to be the center of attention.Then Jan popped into the thread and effectively hijacked it, as he or she has been doing to pretty much all discussions of the philosophy of religion on Sciforums for ten years now.
Would this kinda' stuff work on a dating website, you think?Jan reminds me of so many ladies I have witnessed sitting at the bar or table determinded to be the center of attention.
Usually very attractive to the group of men gathered around, each thinking they have a chance and of course they don't.
She justs enjoys the attention and her art of tantalising the assembled group.
They will make an advance and at first in an effort to draw them in she will offer encouragement and have them believe she thinks they are more special than the others and then cuts them off so they must step back and try again and in that pause another throws himself into the ring.
She does not even attempt to play one against the other for to do so would dilute the attention she craves.
But at the end of the evening all assembled go home alone.
The men thinking they made an impression the lady satisfied she has made fools of them all.
And if there is meaningful argument the lady will never think she has lost but only that she has failed to make her point quiet clear because she knows if these guys understood what she was saying they could only agree.
I think it is my memories of sitting back and watching such games that often has me wondering if Jan is a lady because I detect a similar style somehow.
Anyways I enjoy the opportunity to forget my reality and appreciate that someone else has time to chat.
Its all good.
If Jan enjoys attention I see no problem in giving it for in my case my payoff is I don't have to channel surf, think about my legs or the prospect of doing anything that will only be painful.
Alex
I do not know I have never visited one my dating days are long past.Would this kinda' stuff work on a dating website, you think?
The dictionary may hold the answer.Please feel free to show otherwise.
No. I totally agree with that assertion.I'm asserting a fact. Atheists are without God, because for them God does not exist.
Please feel free to show otherwise.
For anyone. That's what objective means.You're right God does not exist objectively for everyone.
Ah. So this is progress - of a sort. In the sense that you are resorting to ever more bad faith weasel words.God does not exist in the same way that things exist.
But it doesn't mean God doesn't exist in the way that He exists.
I find it difficult to consider having a meaningful discussion if you are going to use a dictionary to define the meaning of words how can we seek truth when you present an expectation that we be tied in that way?Anyone?
Guys, no one brings logic to a psychoanalytic session. The patient doesn't even understand their own words - they're repressing bad thoughts, not daring them into consciousness.
Treat words like a symptom of neurosis.
Terry Pratchettist