If God has created the Universe and everything in it, then ...

[Myles]

Present me with an example of something intelligent giving birth to something that questions its origins.

You have not answered my question

 

[Myles]

Present me with an example of something intelligent giving birth to something that questions its origins.

How about a human being ?

 

[davewhite04]

How about a human being ?

Well we are human beings so it's a bad example as this is my point.

I don't know what question I didn't answer.

 

[davewhite04]

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/free_will.html

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/free.html

This establishes what?

 

[Myles]

Well we are human beings so it's a bad example as this is my point.

I don't know what question I didn't answer.

It's a perfectly good answer to your question.

The point ( implied question) was that you said

a) you didn't know how the universe came into existence

b) you also said that it was obvious that som form of ontelligence was involved

These two statements are mutually contradictory .Either you know or you don't

 

[davewhite04]

It's a perfectly good answer to your question.

The point ( implied question) was that you said

a) you didn't know how the universe came into existence

b) you also said that it was obvious that som form of ontelligence was involved

These two statements are mutually contradictory .Either you know or you don't

I assume one:

There was a cause

Two:

This cause was intelligent.

How does science answer this question?

 

[Myles]

I assume one:

There was a cause

Two:

This cause was intelligent.

How does science answer this question?

It doesn't yet but it may do so in future. One must learn that some things may never be known. There are no grounds for introducing an intelligence unless one feels the need to do so. It's the type of answer known as the god of th gaps.

 

[davewhite04]

It doesn't yet but it may do so in future. One must learn that some things may never be known. There are no grounds for introducing an intelligence unless one feels the need to do so. It's the type of answer known as the god of th gaps.

It's also the god of the millions of years as evolution uses.

I say God did it, you say eons of time did it, neither of us are better then each other in an intellectual sense.

 

[Myles]

It's also the god of the millions of years as evolution uses.

I say God did it, you say eons of time did it, neither of us are better then each other in an intellectual sense.

I disagree. There is abundant evidence to support evolutionary there; none to support the concept of god.

 

[superluminal]

...neither of us are better then each other in an intellectual sense.

Pffftt...

 

[davewhite04]

I disagree. There is abundant evidence to support evolutionary there; none to support the concept of god.

There is an abundance of evidence for the concept of God.

Evolution is pretty new actually.

Concentrate on human evolution, what evidence have we got?

 

[superluminal]

There is an abundance of evidence for the concept of God.

Like what? A few examples might aid in the discussion here.

 

[davewhite04]

Like what? A few examples might aid in the discussion here.

http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/hermann.moisl/ell365/oldest_writing.htm

The oldest I have.

 

[superluminal]

http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/hermann.moisl/ell365/oldest_writing.htm

The oldest I have.

Huh? It's a rock with some (as the article states) unknown symbols. How is this "ample evidence" for a god?

 

[davewhite04]

Huh? It's a rock with some (as the article states) unknown symbols. How is this "ample evidence" for a god?

There is no evidence for God, but the concept of God.

 

[superluminal]

There is no evidence for God, but the concept of God.

Sorry. I just realized that I misread your statement.

Carry on...

 

[(Q)]

This establishes what?

It establishes the fact that you can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[davewhite04]

It establishes the fact that you can't have your cake and eat it too.

It just establishes the fact that some people wrote about God.

None of which actually questions God's knowledge.

 

[Myles]

There is an abundance of evidence for the concept of God.

Evolution is pretty new actually.

Concentrate on human evolution, what evidence have we got?

Evolution is not "pretty new actually"; it's been around for millions of years.There is an elegant, empirically testable theory which explains how it works.

There is no such evidence for god's existence.

 

[Myles]

It just establishes the fact that some people wrote about God.

None of which actually questions God's knowledge.

People wtote about gods. Which one do you favour ?