Never said you said i was. I just felt like clarifying the issue before someone assumed i was. *Yawn*
It made the point quite well.....so well, you can point to no specifics were I'm wrong
The whole thing is groundless. I have no need to quote from your previous post as you have said all the same shit in this one.. Let's analyse...
My "speculation" is from a vindicated source, The Son of Man ...Jesus Christ, Himself.... here as promised.
This is not my ideas, nor those passed down from another to me...as heresay.
That's unfounded speculation, and is actually quite irrelevant to discussion. Let's stay at the beginning of the bible where the serpent, in your words, seduced eve. What Jesus decided to preach a huge time later is not of relevance here.
Yes there is, Jesus has not left this generation without evidence with which to prosecute them with. They have been indited formally by the Word of God...here on earth.
The evidence God has, speaks for itself.
The Queen of Sheba will rise in judgment against this generation, for she belived the testimony of Solomon.
The wisest man that had ever lived born of a women to at that time...
And I say, a greater than Solomon is here.
Aha, yes yes, yawn, snore, belch. What has the queen of sheba, solomon, or anyone else got to do with the serpent in the garden of eden, the nephilim or anything we were actually discussing? Answer=fuck all. Nice little paragraph from you, but it was pointless.
There is absolutetly nothing to suggest satan or any of his dominions was present in those times.
That's what i said.....
Gen. 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?...vs 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die
O.....k. Now where in that small paragraph i've read countless times does it mention satan or any dominions of satan? If you read it you'll see it mentions a serpent who questioned Eve. He didn't say: Go and eat the apple, he questioned what god had said. There's no reason for a serpent to do otherwise. At that time it is shown there was no knowledge of good and evil UNTIL they had eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil thus what the serpent did was not through evil thought but through questioning. The serpent is the first to show signs of wanting to learn- call him the worlds first agnostic. However either way you look at it he could not have known the difference between good and evil and thus is innocent of the crime accused. If he had knowledge of good and evil then the sole person responsible for his actions is god who created him and put him there with eve. Satan has no basis, no mention and no apparent existence here. The only mention is of the lord god who created the serpent and put him in the garden of eden. We can acknowledge adam and eve had no understanding of good or evil and thus wouldn't have considered the serpent as being evil, if he was, because they had no knowledge of good or evil. Understand yet? Because they had no knowledge of good or evil they listened to the serpent of evil, created by god that's supposed to be all good- but of course they wouldnt have known god was good, or for that matter any better than the serpent seeings as they could not distinguish good from evil so why wouldn't they listen to the serpent- that is in fact a serpent and nowhere in this text does it say the serpent was evil, was satan, was nephilim or even related to any of them. *deep breath * The fact remains from YOUR word of god that the serpent, eve, adam and the rest of us are innocent of any crimes accused. The fact remains there is nothing of substance to suggest any evil doing, any activity of satan within the garden of eden or anything along those lines. GOD made the serpent. GOD made the serpent 'more subtil than any yada yada'. GOD gave the serpent the ability of speech. Either the serpent DID know good from evil or he didnt. Either way we can safely say Eve did NOT know good from evil until she had eaten the apple, (whatever). As she didn't know good from evil how could she distinguish between the good of god and the evil of the serpent? The answer is= She couldn't. If god gave her the knowledge of good and evil she would have smacked the serpent round the head and done with it. You have NO basis whatsoever to claim the serpent was evil or that he was directly or indirectly related to, or was in fact, satan.
Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Same tempter.....
This bears absolutely NO relevance to the garden of eden or the serpent, end of story.
Romans 16:20 - And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
OMG that's amazing....... Now let me tell you what relevance that has to the serpent in the garden of eden.............. NOTHING! It is an intresting passage though in that it says: God of peace. Is that to suggest there are other gods as has been believed since day 1? Why say 'the god of peace'? Why not just say: 'God will bruise satan yada yada'? But that's about as off topic as your replies so i'll stop my line of questioning.
Gen 3:14 - And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Ok..... now in this paragraph show me where it states the serpent is evil, is satan or a worker of satan. God got pissed at the serpent because he opened mans eyes to know god was good and the serpent was evil. As such by that token the serpent did god a favour. If he didn't get eve to eat the apple mankind wouldn't hold god as being all good and not evil because they wouldn't know the difference. As such if satan then came up and said: "Come with me" there would be nothing stopping humans from doing so. It is the very reason she ate that apple that we can tell god is good and satan is evil. if it weren't for the serpent we wouldn't have the slightest clue and jesus would have just been labelled as a babbling fool. God punished the serpent for his help, punished eve for a betrayal she would have had no knowledge of and punished adam. He also cursed the ground- like the ground was involved in the whole affair.. :bugeye:
However to remain in line with this debate nowhere in any of your pointless quotes so far is there any mention of evil or of satan.
2 Corinthians 11:3 - But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
SHOULD be corrupted? Either way, and to remain on topic: This passage has absolutely squat to do with the serpent. It says the serpent beguiled eve but it doesn't mention evil or satan.
Revelation 20:2 - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years
Is it a dragon or a serpent? Either way he 'bound the devil' for a thousand years so i guess the devil aint so powerful after all. I'm sure eve could have also bound the serpent for 1000 years but she had no knowledge of good or evil UNTIL she had eaten the apple by which time it was too late. She was condemned and the serpent was dealt with. Of course there's nothing to suggest the word serpent here bears any resemblence to the serpent in eden- unless of course there's only ever been one serpent in existence. Ask god i guess- he made it/them and place it/them where he wanted to.
Matthew 16:23 - But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men....(He could even work through Peter, for we are flesh also)
Again, has bugger all to do with the serpent, eden, nephilim or anything we were discussing. You're off on a world of your own heh.
Matthew 23:33 - Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Aha.... and the relevance to our discussion is what exactly? Matthew's having a bitch. Bears no relevance to the garden of eden, nephilim or the original serpent. I will read the rest of this passage on my journey and add more later.
I concur fully with socialistprophet.
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That's to bad.
Why's that? Get pissed off when someone disagrees with you?
I covered that, completely and there was so much evidence I had to just stop typing, plenty more where that came from too.
Oh, you typed alright, but i think it belonged on a different thread. The fact is you didn't cover anything. You grabbed any old unrelated sentence and tried to show....... a point. You failed.
You better stay out of the bible
You better start reading it.
trying to twist God's Word, when a Son of God is present. I'm not the only one....we'll be "around".
Awww, in the same nature as your big daddy you resort to pathetic and highly questionable threats. The facts remain you grab any old word, any old sentence and apply it to things completely unrelated. Who twists the word of god? Now i offer the Visitor version of the bible:
Gen 3:15
you
Judges 6:31
are
Luke 6:39
blind
We are the Word. I and my Father are One.
My doctrine is not mine own, but Him that sent me.
Jesus was the first begotton of MANY BRETHREN.
You are contending with one now.
The Word of God, is our domain.....
You're a pompous twit. Your braincell is
one, dunno about you and god.
There is nothing to suggest the nephilim were evil.
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Oh, isn't he beautiful, great big tall fellow." That's the same thing maybe Eve thought. She brought a hybrid child, and the hybrid child was Cain; and through Cain come giants. It's always been the cursed of the Lord: hybrid.
Eve is a type of the church today, as in a scripture quoted above...
Stay away from it: hybrid religion. Don't mix it.
Through this there's still nothing of worth to suggest the nephilim were evil. You fail to make any substantial point. As for hybrid always being cursed of the lord i would state the answer is quite simple: Dont put a serpent in the garden of eden. Especially when mankind has no understanding of good or evil. Seems both you and god are stupid. Once again i am forced to state none of your above bears any relevance to topic of discussion.
I will even consider you've never actually read the bible.
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Consider away...
Ok you might have read it, but in the style i depicted above. Any word, any sentence, any paragraph. Rolling dice with gods words is, in your own opinion, a bad thing to do. Read it or don't read it- do not just read whatever you want and use it in arguments completely unrelated.
We've covered that above......
You haven't covered shit. All you've done is made pointless comments relevant to nothing.
God revealed this to me, but as you say, it seems to you.....
"There is a way that seemeth right to a man, but the ends thereof are death.
God could be slapping you for the next millennium to reveal anything to you. Your brain is a cross between fort knox and a toilet pipe- Nothing gets in, only shit comes out.
Not to mention i will be bold enough to assume you are a man? As such what you're doing may 'seemeth right, but ends in death.'
Is that to say you're wrong? Or that particular sentence picked from a hat applies to everyone but you?
Point for point, in your own style of battle.....you have been defeated
You couldn't defeat a pregnant, brain damaged sea slug with leprosy. Once you realise what the topic of discussion is then we'll talk. Of course feel free to waffle shit for the next millennium but expect nothing other than laughter aimed your way. You claim this is a battle.... Stop firing blanks.
....by The Word of God, quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Awww how sweet. It still has no relevance here.
