First of all we have to to take into account that this is a real situation, could be just some forum "experiment". But also that his wife is religious, this is not about LEW alone.
I am considering brainwashing to fix my son: religious experiment.
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First of all we have to to take into account that this is a real situation, could be just some forum "experiment". But also that his wife is religious, this is not about LEW alone.
That is what religion is when you teach it to children and expect them to follow it. Isn't it?
Easy way...hmmm..this is absolutely the most difficult solution there is that I can think of. I'm looking for a solution that will work. We've tried everything. Just name it, i'll give you the date and length of time it was tried. We've not given up yet, but this may be the last viable option to try at his age.
LOL
That's flaming funny!
Look, this is a question if religion will work, not God or another god or spirits or things. Will the idea of heaven and hell work the same as the idea of accountability. It just so happens that religion offers a "tangible" thing to enforce the accountability without having to depend on one's own personal conscience. If there's one thing it does well, it is to teach that we are scum compared to a god. My son needs to realize that everything is not about him and that things he does do have consequences that he may or may not like, but has no control over them other than prevention. The only requirement is belief. If you believe then it is easy to find out how to act in scripture. For a child, he will believe if I say its true. This will be the first lie I told him...of course in the frame of religion it isn't a lie...so if I am or not depends on when he finally decides for himself. Hopefully, by then he'll be able to understand and the need justifies the means.
John I am reacting this way, because I assume this is a real situation. If it's not, he should be banned. Why would anyone like to take any kind of a negative attention? What could be the outcome of any possible experiment of the sort?
I don't want to see him in the hospital or taking drugs for the rest of his life. If he must, then so be it. But, if there is a chance for self-treatment, I think it's worth the freedom from labels and drugs.
Wow! He already has manipulating behavior and you want to correct this with your own manipulating behavior. Does this make sense? You’re going to con him into believing something you want him to believe as true to control him. Present reality the way you want him to see it rather than the way it really is.
I guess God is the perfect entity for the job. Good luck with that! :mufc:
I guess God is the perfect entity for the job. Good luck with that! :mufc:
LOL
That's flaming funny!
Look, this is a question if religion will work, not God or another god or spirits or things. Will the idea of heaven and hell work the same as the idea of accountability. It just so happens that religion offers a "tangible" thing to enforce the accountability without having to depend on one's own personal conscience. If there's one thing it does well, it is to teach that we are scum compared to a god. My son needs to realize that everything is not about him and that things he does do have consequences that he may or may not like, but has no control over them other than prevention. The only requirement is belief. If you believe then it is easy to find out how to act in scripture.
The post is not addressed to you, but good to know that you are not that far gone.
You are right but there is always that possibility.
What is awesome(as in awesome in it's hypocrisy) is that your theology leads you to believe that murder is a noble and moral act if the victim holds a dissenting view.
No, their morality would be based on the real world and not some pie in the sky notion of reward for being a good boy (which ironically in your case includes murdering dissenters)
It is very real, and I hope to share the result with you all in a couple years. I always come back to hash out the latest philosophical dilemma here. My hope is that my son comes to understand the value of another person when push comes to shove. He'll tell you he understands now with his words, but his actions do not say the same thing. Before I proceed I wanted to hear everyone's opinions and beliefs. I don't want him to end up a troubled teen if I can help it. If Jesus is the way, then I ought to try?
stfu. you're no better than a religious hypocrite with your hateful rhetoric.
if you had subdued your blinding rage long enough to read what i wrote you'd see that i didn't recommend religion, i recommended jesus.
how about praying for his son and introducing him to a philosophy that's widely accepted and has been studied by scholars, atheist and religious alike, for 2000 years? one that claims that you're valuable, lovable, powerful, and accountable.
jayleew doesn't even believe, yet he recognizes the benefits of the philosophy. i on the other hand do believe, and have experience the power of prayer, and have had jesus (not the philosophy) change my mind.
It's freakin me out for sure, but that's it.
What the hell is wrong with YOU? Aside from the obvious hypocracy, um... are you trying to create a murder-suicide situation in your house? He can't control himself due to a developmental disorder, and you want to lay a bunch of religious guilt on his shoulders too? Please stop this nonsense before someone gets hurt.
Are you 100% sure?
i guess you missed the part about the resurrection.
i tried and it did help immensely. have you tried, or are you speaking from sheer ignorance?
I am sorry to hear about your situation, I have 3 boys myself who have been raised without religion or physical punishment and have turned out wonderfully (I know this doesn't help you at the moment, sorry). I don't know the details of your parenting or your son but I have to say this whole idea is a copout. You can't or shouldn't base your parenting on a lie.
If he seems nice and understanding to you in person then you need to start digging to find out what the problem is. Threatening him with eternal damnation does not address any problem, at best it suppresses it..
i agree with you here. religious guilt, fear, condemnation...none of this will make it any better. after all, that's not what jesus uses.
Well, I am curious really if there is this benefit of the philosophy. I would think yes. Philosophy is good to improve thinking. That is why I call it an experiment. In reality, this is not a laughing matter and not something I take lightly. If I do it, it will be as it once was. Only my wife and my peers at church will know that I'm there primarily for my son's sake. But I will sing the songs and put on a show for him. But, I am agnostic, so perhaps someone or something will convince me that I made an error in judgment when I decided god didn't or most likely doesn't exist.
i guess you missed the part about the resurrection.
i tried and it did help immensely. have you tried, or are you speaking from sheer ignorance?
Why don't you try reading, learning, and thinking for yourself, little Missy, before you ask someone else if they are speaking from sheer ignorance...:mufc: