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and witholding food, water, power, HEALTH services from the kids your country kills?
well thats irrelivent isnt it.

no i dont want to see all those kids die, i want to see your COUNTRY as it stands die. if it can be rebuilt into something which is slightly less opressive than nazi germany then great. If not maybe the palistinians should be given compleate control and you can live under there rule for a while.

either way as things stand right now you are no better than bosnia, communist china, russia, NK, iran or the US
 
Asguard said:
what do you mean?
right as in right and wrong or right as in human right?
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Human rights, or more specifically, you seem obsessed with "tolerance" and all that rubbish

Asguard YOU ARE A COMMUNIST, don't talk about Communist China.
Mr.Spock said:
youre a dick.
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Why insult me? I support unity and peace with Israel! And together we can reclaim what is rightfully ours, the world.
 
Asguard said:
and witholding food, water, power, HEALTH services from the kids your country kills?
well thats irrelivent isnt it.

no i dont want to see all those kids die, i want to see your COUNTRY as it stands die. if it can be rebuilt into something which is slightly less opressive than nazi germany then great. If not maybe the palistinians should be given compleate control and you can live under there rule for a while.

either way as things stand right now you are no better than bosnia, communist china, russia, NK, iran or the US
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yes, the palestinians are the mirror of human kindness and compassion.

what about hamas firing on our aids? the aid we give to the Palestinians, because of hamas coupe?

but that is the real irrelevancy, those who are blinded with hate will see only what they want. even today with all the news media, nobody cares what the truth is.

maybe you should live under their rule for a while, see hows it like. not even the arab israelis want to live under the arab rule. :D
 
Norsefire said:
Human rights, or more specifically, you seem obsessed with "tolerance" and all that rubbish

Asguard YOU ARE A COMMUNIST, don't talk about Communist China.
Why insult me? I support unity and peace with Israel! And together we can reclaim what is rightfully ours, the world.
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like i said, youre a dick.
 
norsefire you are an idiot. As i have tried to explaine to you on numours occasions i have SOCIALIST leanings but that doesnt make me a red communist.

in fact if anything your closer to Red russia and china than i am, after all your the one in favor of dictatorships not me
 
Mr. Spock I don't understand why you dislike me. I support peace and unity with Israel.
 
your wrong on both counts actually

economically in a sence of goverment interfearance in buiness i surport as low interfearance as possable. i only surport the bare minium regulations needed to maintain compition, fair pay and public safty (ie consumer protection against dogy and dangerious products). Apart from that i surport letting buiness get on with providing jobs

now i do surport SERVICE provision in areas which go against the market like health and education, public wealfare but thats a compleatly different section

Lastly i surport as close to apsolute social freedom as possable, ie apart from those things which cause direct harm to non concenting adults people should be free to do whatever they want.

And communisium in russia and china WAS a dictatorship (and still is in those countries i might add).
 
Asguard said:
your wrong on both counts actually

economically in a sence of goverment interfearance in buiness i surport as low interfearance as possable. i only surport the bare minium regulations needed to maintain compition, fair pay and public safty (ie consumer protection against dogy and dangerious products). Apart from that i surport letting buiness get on with providing jobs
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Don't you support high taxes? And government sponsored social programs? Hey, I'm not saying that's wrong. I've gone from a capitalist purist laissez faire to a socialist.

Lastly i surport as close to apsolute social freedom as possable, ie apart from those things which cause direct harm to non concenting adults people should be free to do whatever they want.
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A noble idea, but I simply believe that it is incompatible with any sort of social order and conformity. Conformity, to a certain extent, is necessary for unity. The people need something in common, SOMETHING.

And communisium in russia and china WAS a dictatorship (and still is in those countries i might add).
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Yes, I know, but that's hypocritical. Communism is about ultimate equality; in a true communist system, there would be no executive power and the "government" would exist only to ensure equality, but would be owned by everyone. Communism is about equality, and the dictator destroys equality.
 
equality and tolerance bind, bigotry does not.

as for the difference between communisium and socialisum in there ideal settings they are actually two compleatly different systems.

Socialisium is about what you do FOR the people
communisium is about how you RUN the country

until computers are much better and more secure communisium wont work because it requires everyone to vote on laws, representive democrasy works much better for the time being but nither of them are in compatiable with the ideal of socialisium and nither is capitalisium for that matter

i dont surport the extreems of either system because both lead to the same place, apsolutisium.

if we were to make EVERYTHING user pay we would end up back in the middle ages where the king rules everyone, this i apsolutly oppose. it would lead to slavery, massive poverty and the colaps of sociaty. Why do you think not even the US, the self proclamed becon of capitalisium is in favor of it?

apsolute socialisum would be no better which is why i suport a mixture of both

a socialist health and education system because these benift us all, social housing for those unable to aford it and a wealfare system which allows people to provide for there other needs like food.

futher more i surport the rights of business to go along as they see fit with as few restrictions as possable, some restrictions are nessary for worker protection, public safty and compition but apart from that the system is stable and benifits

as for tax yes i surport tax to pay for social programs at a resonable level
 
Historically there has never been peace on this Earth. In recent history the U.S has taken an active role in solving conflicts that is true. I can see that changing. And there will still be the same fighting and wars occurring all around the world.
 
oh trust me, i know all about the invasion of australia. i almost got into a punching match with an australian pauline hanson type a while back (not something i am very proud of i will admit)
 
Asguard said:
oh trust me, i know all about the invasion of australia. i almost got into a punching match with an australian pauline hanson type a while back (not something i am very proud of i will admit)
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well then you were not thinking. You can call it the invasion of australia but realistically the whole planet has been invaded.

I try to be open minded about things myself. Sciforums more than anything has shown me how truly stupid liberals are and when it liberals go beyond stupid they become dictators.

Having now come to the conclusion that liberals are targeted by communists, drug dealers, cults, religious fanatics, political fanatics, malcontents, sociopaths, molesters etc. my own realization is that unless you are completely isolated than being liberal is not really possible.
 
and what conclusion are we left to come up with? that when you help people they end up resenting you or worse??? certainly there needs to be balance but i ask at what cost?

and the world is not fair, life is not fair. we are born into these situations, good\bad\ugly.
 
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Asguard said:
apsolutisium destroys democrasy so yes its bad, unless you like dictatorships
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Is democracy good? It's inefficient. It can be unstable.

What about absolute democracy?
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I hereby point out an example of your own closed mind.
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It is not that I oppose Human rights, but many liberals like Asguard take it way too far...not everyone deserves rights. Criminals don't.
 
Norsefire said:
It is not that I oppose Human rights, but many liberals like Asguard take it way too far...not everyone deserves rights. Criminals don't.
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Then you seriously need to take a look at your moral perspective. Given the proper light, even a criminal can seem human. Especially those that are there by circumstance. And If you refuse consistently to see that, then you are close minded.
 
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