Since we're on pointless demonstrations of political support (thanks Sam), it's odd that no one ever stops to criticize the massive support of, say, Egypt, Iran and Turkey for the Palestinian side. What could be the connection?
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Since we're on pointless demonstrations of political support (thanks Sam), it's odd that no one ever stops to criticize the massive support of, say, Egypt, Iran and Turkey for the Palestinian side. What could be the connection?
Name one act of Congress in the last 10 years that put American interests ahead of Israel's or explain why American public opinion is irrelevant where Israel is concerned.
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Already did.See aforementioned book on Lobby. Check how many US senators have two passports
Look at the report written on Israeli policy by Israel firsters.
http://www.irmep.org/Policy_Briefs/3_27_2003_Clean_Break_or_Dirty_War.html
If you pay attention you may recognise the names. If you ever get around to reading the paper [which you won't] you'll see the policy outlined.
Look at the report written on Israeli policy by Israel firsters.
http://www.irmep.org/Policy_Briefs/3_27_2003_Clean_Break_or_Dirty_War.html
If you pay attention you may recognise the names. If you ever get around to reading the paper [which you won't] you'll see the policy outlined.
allies don't attack your naval vessals
Actually, I am reading your report, which is something you don't do for my sources. That's ok. I know you're not really here to learn anything.
Now: this report details lobbyism, not ZOG, Sam.
I also note that it's the only kind of lobbyism you've ever complained about.
So Israel is in a state of war with the US? Perhaps you'd care to lay out your case...in another thread, though.
usually dems were the zogists while reps were arabists. it was somewhat of a shift in policy for the reps when w came into office.
Yeah thats because the left moved to J Street when Americans and Israelis elected rightwingers. J Street is ZOG lite and has become overwhelmingly popular post Gaza. These zoggers get a lot of funding from leftist Zionists and...Muslims.
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=48097
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Not enough, as far as I am concerned. He should be a gibbering idiot considering how his walls are crashing down :shrug:
I searched mondoweiss for the Bush neocon zogger connection:
OK.
No.
Are you saying, that primarily, it was not just the Nazis who were to blame, even though they were the initiators of this whole sad affair?
I am not saying that the Kapos are blameless, and I did point out the ethical conundrum. I will once again reiterate however, that were it not for the Endlösung, the Kapos would not have been empowered in the first place, thus primary guilt can never be ascribed to them.
Ethically, in my opinion, a large portion of the Kapos acted disgracefully and in utter excess of what was required of them, and are clearly as guilty as their masters. Even though they (majority) eventually went up the chimney themselves.
Are you referring to German Wehrmacht soldiers regarding the Holocaust or the war? It was the SS who were in control of the day to day running of the camps, and in full knowledge of what was occurring. IMO they would carry full guilt as complicit in perpetrating the Holocaust, whether they were following orders or enjoying their work. Akin to those responsible for criminal abuses at Gitmo. From the top right down to the bottom.
No one is saying the Nazis are blameless. But even Germans who opposed the Reich ended up in the same concentration camps. Any numbers on them?
I'm saying that if you are going to consider the Jewish kapos under pressure [when they were singing and rounding up Jews by telling them to dress in their best clothes] then its not fair to blame the Poles, Lithuanians and anyone else who was likely to end up in the camps if they resisted
It kinda qualifies... perhaps emotionally. :m:
In the first place, nobody "blamed" the Poles, Lithuanians, etc. for the Holocaust.
They were blamed for their generations-long oppression of the Jews in their communities, long before any threat of Nazi persecution might have motivated them.
Not off the top of my head, but drawing from other similar situations, not too many. The general modus operandi of conscientious objectors is keeping a low profile and doing the minimum.
Yes, certainly, your point is valid and guilt/innocence should be shared across the board.
Religion.
What's the reason for any oppression?
What does it matter anyway? The point is that it occurred.
Presumably not.
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