History of the Holocaust

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Marek Edelman who died last week wrote the Palestinians [all of them, including the militants] that the legacy of the Warsaw ghetto uprising had become theirs.

Good for him. So? What is "the legacy of the Warsaw ghetto uprising?"

And, again, I'm struck by how quickly y'all retreat from the actual Holocaust comparisons to Warsaw Ghetto comparisons (even while denying that's what you're doing).

Not all of us need to wait until after a genocide has happened to see the parallels.

If the parallels were particularly accurate, the genocide in question would already have occurred. The Middle East in 2009 is quite simply not the same place as Europe in 1938.

 

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Would you say the same thing about the Vichy government and borders of France?

That they were controlled by Egypt and Israel? Certainly not.

I have no idea what you're asking here.

Trying putting some flesh on that equivocation.

Do you believe the situation in Egypt would be different if the Americans stopped paying off the Egyptians?

No, Mubarak hates Hamas as much as anyone.

 

[S.A.M.]

Good for him. So? What is "the legacy of the Warsaw ghetto uprising?"

And, again, I'm struck by how quickly y'all retreat from the actual Holocaust comparisons to Warsaw Ghetto comparisons (even while denying that's what you're doing).

We don't. We just don't want to wait until after the holocaust and then engage in symbolic handwringing

If the parallels were particularly accurate, the genocide in question would already have occurred. The Middle East in 2009 is quite simply not the same place as Europe in 1938.

You said it yourself.

That they were controlled by Egypt and Israel? Certainly not.

I have no idea what you're asking here.

Trying putting some flesh on that equivocation.

Would you say the Nazis are not to blame for the situation of Jews in countries where the government was collaborating with them?

No, Mubarak hates Hamas as much as anyone.

Why?

 

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We don't. We just don't want to wait until after the holocaust and then engage in symbolic handwringing

So you pre-emptively assign guitl for genocides that have not occurred, and pat yourself on the back for your moral foresight.

That's partly funny, partly offensive, and partly sad.

You said it yourself.

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[S.A.M.]

So you pre-emptively assign guitl for genocides that have not occurred, and pat yourself on the back for your moral foresight.

That's partly funny, partly offensive, and partly sad.



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No, we look at Gaza and see the Warsaw ghetto. We know where that road leads.

 

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Would you say the Nazis are not to blame for the situation of Jews in countries where the government was collaborating with them?

No.

Are you comparing Egypt to Vichy France?

Because I don't see a lot of Israeli officers running the government there.

Why?

They're a wing of the Muslim Brotherhood, an Egyptian Islamist group that has a long history of antagonism with the government of Egypt.

 

[S.A.M.]

No.

Are you comparing Egypt to Vichy France?

Because I don't see a lot of Israeli officers running the government there.

No they are in the US running ZOG, the Zionist occupied government.

They're a wing of the Muslim Brotherhood, an Egyptian Islamist group that has a long history of antagonism with the government of Egypt.

Exactly.

 

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No they are in the US running ZOG, the Zionist occupied government.

That's cute.

Exactly.

Sorry, did you have a point there?

 

[S.A.M.]

That's cute.

Sorry, did you have a point there?

Yeah we just did a full circle and ended up with a bigger band of collaborators.

 

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Yeah we just did a full circle and ended up with a bigger band of collaborators.

So - to be clear - you think the Egyptian government is a collaborator in the imminent genocide of the Palestinians, comparable to Vichy France?

 

[S.A.M.]

So - to be clear - you think the Egyptian government is a collaborator in the imminent genocide of the Palestinians, comparable to Vichy France?

Of course. They also block the Rafah crossing under threat from the ZOG. The Egyptian street does not support any of this.

 

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No, we look at Gaza and see the Warsaw ghetto.

The correct verb here is not "see" but "impose."

 

[S.A.M.]

Tell that to Marek Edelman. Oops, he died.

 

[spidergoat]

We just don't want to wait until after the holocaust and then engage in symbolic handwringing

That's why the Israeli uprising occurred and why they are still fighting.

 

[S.A.M.]

Sorry, the occupation gets in the way of your justifications.

 

[spidergoat]

If the Warsaw uprising was successful, they would also have had to occupy Germany to ensure their security. Sorry, the fact of an occupation does not automatically confer moral inferiority.

Interesting how an investigation of the holocaust has become an extension of your electronic intifada.

 

[Syzygys]

Man, I was bored to death, so I clicked on this shit thread. Well, for starters:

1. Sam as usual, instead of using google or a book, throws out a bunch of questions that have been answered just about 4 decades ago. Smells like a HUGE troll, instead of genuine interest.

2. Then James correctly gives a short answer: get a book.

3. Then the other idiot, Gustav jumps in attacking James, instead of answering the questions or just shut up.

By the way both Sam and Gustav are on my Ignore but I was really bored. My mistake...

Thread should be locked or cesspooled. Or both....

 

[S.A.M.]

If the Warsaw uprising was successful, they would also have had to occupy Germany to ensure their security. Sorry, the fact of an occupation does not automatically confer moral inferiority.

Yes it does. Shooting the guy who broke into your house is self defense, unless you're saying there is no difference between the Jews of Warsaw and the Nazis?

 

[spidergoat]

Only if they broke into your house with the intent to kill you, otherwise it's just murder.

 

[S.A.M.]

Only if they broke into your house with the intent to kill you, otherwise it's just murder.

Nope, its not, ask the guy who killed that thief with a Samurai Sword. Besides, the Israelis are bulldozing chickens by the tens of thousands, they are ready for the funny farm.