Have you used a gun?

They were never going to shoot you, that's a lot of paperwork.

Of course not, but I was 16 at the time.. I was scared shitless. lol
They probably just did it to mess with me.. just their idea of a little fun :D
I can't blame them to be honest lol
 
shotguns, 9mm's, 45's, 38's.

it is like setting off fireworks. doesnt make much sense, doesnt accomplish anything but it is fun.
 
I've been to the gun range a few times to learn how to shoot, although I don't own a gun. My wife is of the opinion we should run out and buy one right away in case Obama gets elected and outlaws them.

I think we're ok for a while (1-2 generations, if I had to guess) after the Supreme court verdict. It will be a long time before anyone has the balls to suggest outlawing guns in the US, especially since all the rednecks who are still clinging to religion (and, well... gun ownership) who voted for Hillary probably own guns.
 
cosmic,

Do you use reloads or buy new ammunition every time?
Reloads. Didn't see any difference in my accuracy between factory or reloads and reloads are a lot cheaper.
 
India's gun laws:

"Indian citizens have the right to own, possess or carry guns provided a license / permit is obtained under the Central Arms Act, usually necessitating a background check from the nearest police department, or other law enforcement agency. The Indian government also distributes arms to citizens in areas ravaged by foreign infiltration and insurgency, as state policy."
 
First I'd like to thank Read-Only for his service to our country.Read, regardless of your feelings on this matter or of me as a member of this forum, You are a hero to me just for going over there. I appreciate it very much.

Yes, I have and shoot guns.
 
First I'd like to thank Read-Only for his service to our country.Read, regardless of your feelings on this matter or of me as a member of this forum, You are a hero to me just for going over there. I appreciate it very much.

Yes, I have and shoot guns.

Thanks you, CF, I really do appreciate that.

Even though I disagreed with the war, I was already in the Army when it started. And when they said go, I went.

And although I've always enjoyed target shooting, I can assure you it's not enjoyable when the target is shooting at YOU. And it's going to be either him (or them) or you. Only takes a couple of seconds to decide it's going to be him and do your job.
 
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My dick's big, too.
 
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read only, i hope you didnt take my comments in the other thread about vietnarm being a stupid war to be a critisium. The way Australia and others treated there solders was apsolutly sickning and i have nothing but respect for the solders even if i disagree with where they are stationed. My critisium for both iraq and vietnarm rests with the goverments not the solders
 
read only, i hope you didnt take my comments in the other thread about vietnarm being a stupid war to be a critisium. The way Australia and others treated there solders was apsolutly sickning and i have nothing but respect for the solders even if i disagree with where they are stationed. My critisium for both iraq and vietnarm rests with the goverments not the solders

Not to worry, Asguard. When Nam began, I thought it was an honorable thing because it's purpose was to stop the spread of the Russian/Chinese communism. I still believe that to be true but came to think that it was also a political chip that was being played in addition to fueling the economy back home. It resulted in the production of a tremendous amount of steel, tanks, planes and other vehicles as well as munitions. The cotton industry (growing, ginning, weaving and sewing) also did quite well as a result of the war.

But for us GIs with rifles and wading through paddies and swamps up to our armpits, it was nothing but a matter of survival. Kill or be killed.

I never talk about it - not a word - to my family or friends. I've said more here right now than I've ever told anyone before. I don't have those dreaded flashbacks that you've heard about but I can still see women and children blowing up from the grenades strapped on them by the VC. And men with wide-open eyes when I shot them. I really wish I could forget it all - completely.
 
I never talk about it - not a word - to my family or friends. I've said more here right now than I've ever told anyone before. I don't have those dreaded flashbacks that you've heard about but I can still see women and children blowing up from the grenades strapped on them by the VC. And men with wide-open eyes when I shot them. I really wish I could forget it all - completely.

Well that sucks. Was going to ask you some questions. Well maybe just one. I heard from some Nam Vets that Tommy guns were used for suppression fire now and then. The unfamiliar sound of it(and a little more nasty sounding) made them(VC and NVA) duck for cover.

It's hard to get real combat vets to talk, I used to have to buy them ~ 5-6 beer at the Legion before they'd even confess what campaigns they were in.
 
Well that sucks. Was going to ask you some questions. Well maybe just one. I heard from some Nam Vets that Tommy guns were used for suppression fire now and then. The unfamiliar sound of it(and a little more nasty sounding) made them(VC and NVA) duck for cover.

Yes, I believe it was true. None of the squads I was in ever had them so I didn't see them used myself but often heard about it. The .30 cal machine guns chattering away sure made them duck, too. From infantry weapons, what they feared the most was the BAR. A single round would go through at least five of them all lined up.

It's hard to get real combat vets to talk, I used to have to buy them ~ 5-6 beer at the Legion before they'd even confess what campaigns they were in.

Perhaps now you understand why. The memories are awful. It's not like telling someone about a bad car wreck you were in. It's much worse than that when you start remembering things. We all want to forget it.
 
Have you used a gun?


Yes. Many.

And had them pointed, and fired, at me.

So what? This is part of a lot of Americans' lives. We adapt, we get by. But don't be surprised, most people are not willing to discuss their experiences as that is very difficult emotionally.
 
I never talk about it - not a word - to my family or friends. I've said more here right now than I've ever told anyone before. I don't have those dreaded flashbacks that you've heard about but I can still see women and children blowing up from the grenades strapped on them by the VC. And men with wide-open eyes when I shot them. I really wish I could forget it all - completely.

Perhaps now you understand why. The memories are awful. It's not like telling someone about a bad car wreck you were in. It's much worse than that when you start remembering things. We all want to forget it.

Read-Only,

I honour everyone, who does his duty in the line of fire ..... but war is a DIRTY business ......
We have soldiers here , who have PTSD after combat situations .... normally they are treated by army psychologists .. but a few of them , who are cracking up, are occasionally referred to me ( as well as refugees who have been tortured - PTSD again ) ...........

I just want to inform you , that psychotherapy in combination with beta blockers , can make the memories less painfull - you will still have the memories .... but they will no longer elicit mental pain as before ..... you do sound like a mental stabile person .... not even having flashbacks ....... but if you ache inside sometimes ..... then I just want to tell you ..... that there is a solution ......;)

Anyway, take care Read-Only ....:)
 
I think "just following orders" went out with the Nuremberg trials.


The Nuremberg Defense is a legal defense that essentially states that the defendant was "only following orders" ("Befehl ist Befehl", literally "order is order") and is therefore not responsible for his crimes. The defense was most famously employed during the Nuremberg Trials, after which it is named.

Before the end of World War II, the Allies suspected such a defense might be employed, and issued the London Charter of the International Military Tribunal, which specifically stated that this was not a valid defense against charges of war crimes.

Thus, under the Nuremberg Principles, "defense of superior orders" is not a defense for war crimes, although it might influence a sentencing authority to lessen the penalty.

"The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Defense

Unless of course, you think the Germans were wrongfully convicted.
 
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