Gravitational waves from black hole merger

Yes. The mass was converted to gravitational radiation.

Gravitational Wave/Radiation must be escaping through spacetime which is originating from inside the black hole and extending to the outside of it. Can you explain how this spacetime is connected with the mass inside the black hole?


This is neither EM radiation nor emitted matter.

But the equation which was used for mass - energy conversion is that for EM radiation ( ie e=mc^2 ) .

Again, no radiation or mass can escape from a black hole. Gravity can (which is why it's a black hole to begin with.)

You mean spacetime can extend from a black hole?

Black holes can also have observable characteristics of mass, charge and spin, and thus that information can escape.

How these informations can be observed and they can escape from a black hole? Through spacetime?
 
Gravitational Wave/Radiation must be escaping through spacetime which is originating from inside the black hole and extending to the outside of it. Can you explain how this spacetime is connected with the mass inside the black hole?
Through gravity, which is one of the four fundamental forces.
But the equation which was used for mass - energy conversion is that for EM radiation ( ie e=mc^2 ) .
No, there is nothing that requires that equivalence apply only to EM radiation. It could just as easily be heat, electron-orbital energy or gravitational energy.
You mean spacetime can extend from a black hole?
Spacetime surrounds a black hole, and its gravity distorts spacetime nearby.
How these informations can be observed and they can escape from a black hole? Through spacetime?
Yes, through spacetime.
 
My paper is not published but my theory is not wrong. To develop this theory I made one prediction. I find my prediction is confirmed by an article published in the journal Nature.

:)
Let us all know when your "theory" [really an hypothesis :rolleyes:] is published and has undergone appropriate peer review.

One of my article is published in a Patent Journal. This is available in the internet.

The paper in which I developed my theory is not yet published. I tried to publish this theory with the journal Physical Review. To develope my theory I made a prediction that, 'everybody's mind work in a unique way'. See http://www.sciforums.com/threads/theory-of-everything.135518/page-9 ( see post #174 and post #176 ) .

The Nature article confirming my prediction can be seen here: http://www.nature.com/news/brain-scans-pinpoint-individuals-from-a-crowd-1.18541 , http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v18/n11/full/nn.4135.html , http://www.nature.com/articles/nn.4135.epdf?referrer_access_token=taXHCWTPtFdaBuBLfjB76tRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0PdTRzPbAYp-zLQNUeREd-wdwR0koaPIcJz2NczhgmrD9IJurCxtZ57I5a5H2t7ILI8SR_QGtdSyvFThYSs-QyezJl8JuuFWMIvmk69ecHqX5CdHmkvKcWDBkbTFJYSvqKX0oHQ3YoDNXRlf51fQUeDmtqmrFKuiEvVZLBlCXwtVFlloP-pKMJnRTDe03K-_QU=&tracking_referrer=www.wired.com

Here is another link http://www.wired.com/2015/10/scientists-can-now-predict-intelligence-brain-activity/
 
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Through gravity, which is one of the four fundamental forces.

Which model of gravity, you are using here Newtonian or GR ?

No, there is nothing that requires that equivalence apply only to EM radiation. It could just as easily be heat, electron-orbital energy or gravitational energy.
You have any reference for this?

Spacetime surrounds a black hole, and its gravity distorts spacetime nearby.

Gravity distorts spacetime or Mass distorts spacetime?
 
One of my article is published in a Patent Journal. This is available in the internet.

The paper in which I developed my theory is not yet published. I tried to publish this theory with the journal Physical Review. To develope my theory I made a prediction that, 'everybody's mind work in a unique way'. See http://www.sciforums.com/threads/theory-of-everything.135518/page-9 ( see post #174 and post #176 ) .

The Nature article confirming my prediction can be seen here: http://www.nature.com/news/brain-scans-pinpoint-individuals-from-a-crowd-1.18541 , http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v18/n11/full/nn.4135.html , http://www.nature.com/articles/nn.4135.epdf?referrer_access_token=taXHCWTPtFdaBuBLfjB76tRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0PdTRzPbAYp-zLQNUeREd-wdwR0koaPIcJz2NczhgmrD9IJurCxtZ57I5a5H2t7ILI8SR_QGtdSyvFThYSs-QyezJl8JuuFWMIvmk69ecHqX5CdHmkvKcWDBkbTFJYSvqKX0oHQ3YoDNXRlf51fQUeDmtqmrFKuiEvVZLBlCXwtVFlloP-pKMJnRTDe03K-_QU=&tracking_referrer=www.wired.com

Here is another link http://www.wired.com/2015/10/scientists-can-now-predict-intelligence-brain-activity/
?? All I see is some highly theoretical psychological crap re brain scans and such.
Obviously I'm speaking of new cosmological model re BH's and such.
I see this as an attempt of you avoiding the question.
ps: Gravity/spacetime has a quality called "nonlinearity" In effect gravity makes gravity....That along with the fact that the gravity/spacetime curvature of a BH is a fossil field explains how gravity gets out of a BH.
 

More irrelevant psychological banter:
You have been asking "questions" since post 34: Some of those answers you have been given are subsequently ignored....other time the question is repeated and repeated again, probably on some vain effort to trip up people.
Let's get down to the nitty gritty: What are you proposing cosmologically speaking?
And what evidence do you have to support your conjecture?
Remember that Gravity/spacetime has a quality called "nonlinearity" In effect gravity makes gravity....That along with the fact that the gravity/spacetime curvature of a BH is a fossil field explains how gravity gets out of a BH.
Hawking Radiation is another matter: Virtual particle pair creation, [a foundation of quantum theory] near the EH of a BH, and the suggested scenarios leading to HR is a logical application> No we have not observed any as such, but again the basis is the foundation of quantum theory.
A great man said.
Spacetime tells matter how to move; matter tells spacetime how to curve.
John Archibald Wheeler:

If you are asking why does mass curve space time...and why does curved spacetime exhibit gravity, then the answer is we do not know. Clear enough?
A future QGT may reveal the answer, but at this time all we know is that gravity and its association with mass and curved spacetime, is what it is, and we have been highly successful in making predictions and calculations that describe quite accurately what we see. We do that through the equations of GR, which have been continually confirmed to greater and greater accuracies via experiments such as GP-B and aLIGO:
Of course our resident cranks chose to disregard such confirmations in their evangelistic mission to somehow try and discredit such findings.
None of course get any further than forums such as this, open to all and sundry.
Let me finally reiterate:
No new cosmological theory of gravity or any other aspect of 21st century cosmology, will ever be forthcoming from forums such as this.
 
But the equation which was used for mass - energy conversion is that for EM radiation ( ie e=mc^2 ) .
That is incorrect. When, for instance, a U235 atom splits the mass loss is expressed as EM radiation AND the kenetic energy of the fission products and neutrons. It is NOT just the EM radiation.
 
That is incorrect. When, for instance, a U235 atom splits the mass loss is expressed as EM radiation AND the kenetic energy of the fission products and neutrons. It is NOT just the EM radiation.

Thats good...

A typical fission energy distribution is given below, thats how binding energy/mc^2 get distributed.....in fact released EM radiation is quite low fraction as compare to main fragments KE..

Energy (MeV) distribution in fission reactions...

Kinetic energy of fission fragments 167 MeV
Prompt (< 10-6 s) gamma ray energy 8
Kinetic energy of fission neutrons 8
Gamma ray energy from fission products 7
Beta decay energy of fission products 7
Energy as antineutrinos (ve) 7
 
ps: Gravity/spacetime has a quality called "nonlinearity"

Curvature of spacetime or any curved line is nonlinear. So what?

In effect gravity makes gravity....

What does it mean?

That along with the fact that the gravity/spacetime curvature of a BH is a fossil field explains how gravity gets out of a BH.

What is fossil field? Do you mean spacetime of a BH extends radially from inside to outside?
 
Let's get down to the nitty gritty: What are you proposing cosmologically speaking?

The theory which I have developed is "Every Action has got an Unique Technique". Here any movement or motion of a particle can be considered as an action. Its a general theory. So, this theory can explain any action in a general way.


And what evidence do you have to support your conjecture?

I have a mathematics for my theory. Here I used 'Newtonian model of a force' and 'principles of Set Theory' to develope the mathematics for my theory.

If you are asking why does mass curve space time...and why does curved spacetime exhibit gravity, then the answer is we do not know. Clear enough?

I have an answer for this.

No new cosmological theory of gravity or any other aspect of 21st century cosmology, will ever be forthcoming from forums such as this.

I plan to submit my paper in a journal for their consideration.
 
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But the equation which was used for mass - energy conversion is that for EM radiation ( ie e=mc^2 ) .

That is incorrect. When, for instance, a U235 atom splits the mass loss is expressed as EM radiation AND the kenetic energy of the fission products and neutrons. It is NOT just the EM radiation.
Thats good...

A typical fission energy distribution is given below, thats how binding energy/mc^2 get distributed.....in fact released EM radiation is quite low fraction as compare to main fragments KE..

Energy (MeV) distribution in fission reactions...

Kinetic energy of fission fragments 167 MeV
Prompt (< 10-6 s) gamma ray energy 8
Kinetic energy of fission neutrons 8
Gamma ray energy from fission products 7
Beta decay energy of fission products 7
Energy as antineutrinos (ve) 7

Can you confirm, if the massive particles are not absorbing Photon particles to gain their Kinetic Energy?

A question also can be asked as to why in this case of atomic reaction, there is no Gravitational wave/radiation energy but only EM energy and Kinetic Energy and in the case of two BHs merger, there is only Gravitation wave/radiation energy but no EM energy or Kinetic Energy; though the same equation for mass loss is being used in both the cases.
 
Can you confirm, if the massive particles are not absorbing Photon particles to gain their Kinetic Energy?

How a particle (fragment of fission) can gain energy from photon ? Are you talking about photon momentum trasnfer ? How significant would that be ?

A question also can be asked as to why in this case of atomic reaction, there is no Gravitational wave/radiation energy

Where is the acceleration involved ? And moreover try calculating the value of gravitational radiation as compared to other energy components ? [I am talking about mainstream irrespective of my view on GW]


but only EM energy and Kinetic Energy and in the case of two BHs merger, there is only Gravitation wave/radiation energy but no EM energy or Kinetic Energy; though the same equation for mass loss is being used in both the cases.

Lets us face it from, mass to energy conversion we have nothing but E = mc^2, your question is about various components of this energy ? Now thats conversion process specific...for example in fusion also we have mass to energy conversion, in fission also we have, I do not advocate this BH BH merger mass loss and subsequent energy, but in all the three processes sub components of energy can be different. why do you think they should be same...
 
How a particle (fragment of fission) can gain energy from photon ? Are you talking about photon momentum trasnfer ? How significant would that be ?

We know that photon particles can be emitted or absorbed by an atom. So any particle which has mass can absorb a photon particle and gain its KE.



Where is the acceleration involved ? And moreover try calculating the value of gravitational radiation as compared to other energy components ? [I am talking about mainstream irrespective of my view on GW]

I am only talking about mass loss. In the LIGO paper mass loss to GW energy uses E=MC^2. The Kinetic Energy of the merged BH also could be enhanced as in the case of atomic model.




Lets us face it from, mass to energy conversion we have nothing but E = mc^2, your question is about various components of this energy ? Now thats conversion process specific...for example in fusion also we have mass to energy conversion, in fission also we have, I do not advocate this BH BH merger mass loss and subsequent energy, but in all the three processes sub components of energy can be different. why do you think they should be same...

Do you think in the equation E=MC^2; E stands for any form of energy ie heat, sound or any other non-EM form.
 
We know that photon particles can be emitted or absorbed by an atom. So any particle which has mass can absorb a photon particle and gain its KE.

I do not know what you mean by the KE of a photon ?


I am only talking about mass loss. In the LIGO paper mass loss to GW energy uses E=MC^2. The Kinetic Energy of the merged BH also could be enhanced as in the case of atomic model.

As per mainstream you have to understand that BH has no matter concept, it is not some star with some matter, it is the concept of an extremely curved spacetime...so I do not think it is meaningful to talk about KE of a BH [my disclaimer, but thas mainstream].

Do you think in the equation E=MC^2; E stands for any form of energy ie heat, sound or any other non-EM form.


This is simple conversion issue, see in Nuclear Power Plants (Fission based) this can be converted into steam, heat, Electrical energy, you name it..........
 
This is simple conversion issue, see in Nuclear Power Plants (Fission based) this can be converted into steam, heat, Electrical energy, you name it..........

We know that energy can be converted from any form to any other form. This is energy conversion. I am not asking about energy conversion.

My question is about energy generation from mass loss as per e=mc^2. In which form this generated energy would be?
 
We know that energy can be converted from any form to any other form. This is energy conversion. I am not asking about energy conversion.

My question is about energy generation from mass loss as per e=mc^2. In which form this generated energy would be?

You mean the first form from M ?
 
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