Gravitational waves from black hole merger

brucep said:
Figure it out for yourself. This is the Kerr solution to Einsteins Field Equations. It's an exact solution for a rotating spacetime geometry. It includes both the Schwarschild mass component and the rotation parameter component for J/M. Angular momentum per unit mass. The second link is for the Reissner-Nordstrom exact solution for a non-rotating charged black hole. In this solution charge is a component of the total black hole mass.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerr_metric
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reissner–Nordström_metric
Here's a project from a text on GR. Choose the project for the spinning black hole
http://www.eftaylor.com/download.html
Pretty sure this stuff is way over your head. Rajesh. But give it a try. Try query three of the spinning black hole project. Note that a=J/M, Nearly equal to M; J nearly equal to M^2. Note that M is the Schwarzschild mass in the metric. So all you're saying is metric solutions to the Einstein Field Equations, which is the foundation for GR, are wrong.
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reported for repeated goading on rajesh...

Figure it out, your statement was incorrect that J and Q are the components of mass.

The real interpretation is that all the three Q, J and M contribute to equations, they are all distinct and different physical parameters......and please do not work on parametrized values with G = 1 and c = 1, thats tough for you and you are messing up.
 
brucep said:
The numerical relativity is really an awesome tool for doing this physics. The final predictions for the ringdown are really informative about the accuracy of the numerical analysis and the equations they feed it. Feed me the numerical models cry. I wonder if hansda theory can feed a numerical model?
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Yep: As I reiterated to handsa, it's going to be interesting as to what he does with this "hypothetical" Nice to see the agenda out in the open!: Proper reputable publishing? Proper peer review? I don't believe either will happen. What will happen is it will like other cranks that have pretended to publish papers, and in some circumstances have published with questionable publishers and had the same demolished.
Delusions of grandeur is a sickness, and as it happens, forums such as this are the only vehicle that these people have to post their nonsense and keep their ego inflated.
 
paddoboy said:
Yep: As I reiterated to handsa, it's going to be interesting as to what he does with this "hypothetical" Nice to see the agenda out in the open!: Proper reputable publishing? Proper peer review? I don't believe either will happen. What will happen is it will like other cranks that have pretended to publish papers, and in some circumstances have published with questionable publishers and had the same demolished.
Delusions of grandeur is a sickness, and as it happens, forums such as this are the only vehicle that these people have to post their nonsense and keep their ego inflated.
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My experience tells me it's a common part of the human experience. LOL. You're trying. Regardless what the cranks say. LOL. I really liked the stuff about the predictions for this event from numerical relativity.
 
brucep said:
My experience tells me it's a common part of the human experience. LOL. You're trying. Regardless what the cranks say. LOL. I really liked the stuff about the predictions for this event from numerical relativity.
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I get a feeling that you are not aware of what the 'Numerical Relativity' is.....Probably you are messed up and equating it with SR, GR and then NR ?? All predictions are from GR only, the math is done numerically instead of analytically due to compexity...
 
The God said:
I get a feeling that you are not aware of what the 'Numerical Relativity' is.....Probably you are messed up and equating it with SR, GR and then NR ?? All predictions are from GR only, the math is done numerically instead of analytically due to compexity...
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It is you who stands there in all your self appraised glory claiming SR and GR are wrong.
It is you in all your self appraised glory that claim GP-B and aLIGO are fraudulent.
It is you in all your self appraised glory that claim you are never wrong.
It is you in all your self appraised glory that refuses to listen to all reputable refutations of your nonsensical claims.
I have posted many reputable links and papers, that show that LIGO did consider all contingencies and did confirm the gravitational waves from confirmed binary BH's
You have failed to address them.
It is also obviously damaging to your cause/mission, that each time some objection by you is totally demolished and shown to be fabricated, you quickly move onto more fabricated objections, without any acknowledgment of your previous demolished objections.
This is really quite telling.

Agendas can be damaging to a person's outlook on life and particularly science and cosmology, particularly when that agenda is religious in nature.


ps: Also need I say that self praise is really no recommendation.
 
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paddoboy said:
It is you who stands there in all your self appraised glory claiming SR and GR are wrong.
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No I never said SR is wrong, you are spreading false stuff.

I am convinced that GR is bad, curved spacetime as envisaged is bad in reality, it has no physical significance still being associated with physicality. The best part of GR is that maths is great. Black Holes are just the figment of imagination, too much importance is given to some trivial solution of maths.

Fraud or no fraud, but there is some malady, some issues.......see fraud cannot be done at such large scale involving so many organizations and institutes, I would call it systematic fall in line by all for fear of something. It is more of collective judgement failure, fear of getting ostracized, rather than dishonesty....2020 is the upper limit.
 
The God said:
No I never said SR is wrong, you are spreading false stuff.
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Not at all: I don't spread false gossip period! eg: inane stuff such as GP-B and LIGO being falsified for instance...or that there are mainstream reputable people still questioning these results. :rolleyes: [Although that has quickly died away. :)]
The God said:
I am convinced that GR is bad, curved spacetime as envisaged is bad in reality, it has no physical significance still being associated with physicality. The best part of GR is that maths is great. Black Holes are just the figment of imagination, too much importance is given to some trivial solution of maths.
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Those among many other absurd convictions. Still your right to say what you like is not in question: Your expectations that anyone is taking you seriously is.
The God said:
Fraud or no fraud, but there is some malady, some issues.......see fraud cannot be done at such large scale involving so many organizations and institutes, I would call it systematic fall in line by all for fear of something. It is more of collective judgement failure, fear of getting ostracized, rather than dishonesty....2020 is the upper limit.
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Refer back to the highlight sentence. :rolleyes:

PS; As I've told you many times, if what you have claimed here had any substance, you would not be here.
 
The God said:
I am omnipresent.....whats your problem ?
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No problems at all. :)
I'm enthralled obviously that the final confirmation of GR has been achieved.
I'm enthralled that finally BH's and spacetime curvature have been achieved.
I'm enthralled that the whole scientific community it seems has come together on this and are as much in raptures as I am.
The great man did not need anymore vindication: But he got it.
 
paddoboy said:
No problems at all. :)
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Thats better .

paddoboy said:
I'm enthralled obviously that the final confirmation of GR has been achieved.
I'm enthralled that finally BH's and spacetime curvature have been achieved.
I'm enthralled that the whole scientific community it seems has come together on this and are as much in raptures as I am.
The great man did not need anymore vindication: But he got it.
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You can dance with your share of lollypops...
 
paddoboy said:
So do you finally accept these grand confirmations, or are you still going to keep pussy footing around the issue, claiming ludicrous scenarios re scientific fraud?
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Listen rationally, nonsense from both sides apart and leave aside for a moment....

This aLIGO experiment proves..

1. 2 BHs in a very close proximity..
2. Merging of 2 BHs.
3. Mass of BHs, radiated mass from BHs due to GW.
4. GW
5. GW detection.
6. GW speed being at c.


It is like a full story, being proven, based on some template matching...So I would say that I will wait for at least one more aLIGO facility online and simultaneous (of one event) detection by at least three experimental sites....This will prove pt#6, and will distinctly eliminate other possibilities.
 
The God said:
Listen rationally, nonsense from both sides apart and leave aside for a moment....

This aLIGO experiment proves..

1. 2 BHs in a very close proximity..
2. Merging of 2 BHs.
3. Mass of BHs, radiated mass from BHs due to GW.
4. GW
5. GW detection.
6. GW speed being at c.
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:)Sorry old friend, but a bit confused: Let me tidy it up for you......
[1] Two binary coalescing BH's confirmed:
[2] Confirmation of BH's
[3] Gravitational waves confirmed, and as predicted:
[4] Spacetime curvature confirmed even further:
[5] GW waves in line with "c"
[6] GR further confirmed to even higher degrees of accuracy and prediction.

On the rest of your claim, your record shows that no matter how many more times this is confirmed, you will always attempt to fabricate some non existent scenario, and/or some other form of cop out you have initiated many times.eg: pop science claims......

In essence agendas, particularly religiously inspired agendas, can totally blind the faithful to the reality of what is passing around them and the science involved.
 
paddoboy said:
:)Sorry old friend, but a bit confused: Let me tidy it up for you......
[1] Two binary coalescing BH's confirmed:
[2] Confirmation of BH's
[3] Gravitational waves confirmed, and as predicted:
[4] Spacetime curvature confirmed even further:
[5] GW waves in line with "c"
[6] GR further confirmed to even higher degrees of accuracy and prediction.

On the rest of your claim, your record shows that no matter how many more times this is confirmed, you will always attempt to fabricate some non existent scenario, and/or some other form of cop out you have initiated many times.eg: pop science claims......

In essence agendas, particularly religiously inspired agendas, can totally blind the faithful to the reality of what is passing around them and the science involved.
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How is your list different from my list, where did you see the confusion ?
 
The God said:
How is your list different from my list, where did you see the confusion ?
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Well as any student of science [as opposed to crankdom and pseudoscience] should be aware of, the use of the word proof in science is not really applicable: Even with confirmed cases as this.
But again congrats...My incessant reputable links have finally hit home...at least in part.
You have done well.
Glad to be of assistance.
 
paddoboy said:
Well as any student of science [as opposed to crankdom and pseudoscience] should be aware of, the use of the word proof in science is not really applicable: Even with confirmed cases as this.
But again congrats...My incessant reputable links have finally hit home...at least in part.
You have done well.
Glad to be of assistance.
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I don't know what all you think and take claim for ? You can feel happy with whatever conclusion you want....you know I do not look at your links in general...and certainly not when they are not breifly explained in the post for purpose and intent. ..
 
The God said:
I don't know what all you think and take claim for ? You can feel happy with whatever conclusion you want....you know I do not look at your links in general...and certainly not when they are not breifly explained in the post for purpose and intent. ..
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Whether you read the papers I link to or not, or any other reputable link, is your decision. If you are of a mind to starve yourself of data and knowledge, just to try and irk me, [:rolleyes:] or for any other agenda, you are barking up the wrong tree.
I actually see it as cutting off your nose to spite your face: :)
Anyway, again nice to see you coming around slowly.
I'll be back later with my services as required.
 
paddoboy said:
Whether you read the papers I link to or not, or any other reputable link, is your decision. If you are of a mind to starve yourself of data and knowledge, just to try and irk me, [:rolleyes:] or for any other agenda, you are barking up the wrong tree.
I actually see it as cutting off your nose to spite your face: :)
Anyway, again nice to see you coming around slowly.
I'll be back later with my services as required.
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keep dreaming..
 
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