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I cannot believe something which has no evidence. I have no choice.
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Personally you believe bullshit.
I cannot prove I'm not in the Matrix thus I should believe in gods? It does not compute.
Whatever the universe is, it obviously is something however incorrect our perception of it may be. If my perception of the universe is flawed, your perception of gods is flawed. God is nothing but absurd cruel fantasy.
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I cannot believe something which has no evidence. I have no choice.
Nope.For example, the fact that the world we see is real must be taken on faith.
Yeah right.Though I'd be more than happy to prove his existence that if you'd like me to.
Oh really? Prove that you're not in the Matrix... Or that you're not a brain in a vat? Or that you're not merely hallucinating?Nope.
Yeah right.
Wrong again.Oh really? Prove that you're not in the Matrix... Or that you're not a brain in a vat? Or that you're not merely hallucinating?
Obviously not enough thinking.Right, that's what I thought
I have to make the thread?Well, nothing is "provable" except for Math. But if you want me to give you the evidence I have, I will. Make a thread. Go for it.
to you just "having evidence".prove his existence
Wrong again.
It doesn't matter whether I'm in the matrix or not as far as my everyday life goes.
No faith required.
I have to make the thread?
Ah so it's come down from you being able to to you just "having evidence".
As suspected...
He said "No FAITH required."Ah, my point EXACTLY. No proof required. You're willing to assume that it's true because it's practical.
Which is ??Well, I'm trying to not appear provocative by openly challenging all atheists on the thread to my evidence for God... But I will if you want.
Obviously not.I have as much proof for the existence of a God as you have for everyday life being real. That's all that's required IMO.
So you are of the opinion that if God did write something, it'd likely be no better than a human author, say, pretending to be God? Maybe no better then a high school student's essay? Whatever the case, it'd certainly not offer such outstandingly prolific novel and enlightening ideas as to be self-evidently authored by God.
Do you even think it's possible for God to write such a peace of literature? CAN God do it?
Did you actually read what he wrote (and which I quoted so it would be obvious what I was referring to)? Or were you just looking to argue with me?He said "No FAITH required."
Obviously not.
Aw, you have severe comprehension problems as well.Did you actually read what he wrote? Or were you just looking to argue with me?
I VERY CLEARLY stated (and you included in the quote) No faith required.He very clearly stated that he did not NEED to prove he was not in the matrix because it was practical for him to believe otherwise.
On the other hand you could learn to read what you think you're replying to.If you're going to pick a fight (which isn't worth my time or breath), at least have the good manners to do so intelligently, as opposed to just glancing at what I write before trying to come up with a witty response.
Wouldn't you think that IF God wrote a book. Say the most important book on planet Earth, that EVEN if God did so as a ghostwriter, people of ALL cultures, ALL times, ALL walks of life, would recognize it's brilliance?
You know, kind of like 孫子 孫子兵法 and that's just a mortal author and his ideas a couple thousand years ago. SURELY GOD, could do as good?
Anyway, do you think that if God wrote a book, his authorship would be self-evident to at least 80% or more of humanity?
Could someone please post this document (or a conversion) for me?http://www.4shared.com/account/dir/18296364/49f11f08/sharing.html?rnd=96
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The arguments I mentioned. Only a very rough outline, I wrote it up in the past half hour or so. More than enough food for thought for now.
I VERY CLEARLY stated (and you included in the quote) No faith required.
I.e. yes I make assumptions and operate on them: because it's 100% irrelevant to my everyday life as to whether I'm in the "real world" or the matrix.
I don't need faith.
On the other hand you could learn to read what you think you're replying to.
Before trying to come up with any response.
It's only good manners and intelligence after all.
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I cannot believe something which has no evidence. I have no choice.
You must by necessity therefore believe in nothing, as you cannot even prove you're not in the Matrix. Or a brain in a vat. Hell, you can't prove there even IS a brain, you could simply exist as whatever thought you are thinking at the moment.
Why do I need "belief"?What do you call a belief in something which cannot be proven, and for which no evidence is given?
Meh, okay, but there's a world of difference between assumption (supported or not) and faith (or even belief).We're arguing semantics. If it makes you feel better, substitute "unsupported assumption" wherever I put the word belief (you will note that I didn't use the word faith after my first post, right? That was just to avoid confusions such as this).
Correct, but you haven't responded to what I wrote:My point was, not all the assumptions we make are "proven" or even "provable." If you're having trouble with reading comprehension, I'd advise you to go back and read the post which started this whole thing. It's quoted below for your convenience:
So what have you read on the matter?There is a requirement for clarity, consistency, compassion, logic, noncontradiction of irrefutable facts & availability to everyone concerned.
so tell us what you have readI can. You don't know whether he can. Judging from your posts, you cannot. Judging from all the scripture I've read, God cannot.