God does exist.

Originally posted by Frencheneesz
"it did say that God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days and the 7th day he made it the day of rest. BUT DID IT SAY IN CHAPTER 2 THAT GOD CREATE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH IN A DAY OR TWO?"

Yes it did, it refers to THE DAY (if you had studdied english or any other spoken language (mostly), you would know that this word does not contain a plural, therefore is singular). DAY is one day, or was this a biblical typo?

"and god did create the light from the darkness in the first day, AND IN THE FOURTHY DAY THE SUN, STARS, AND THE MOON, HOW DOES THAT CONTRADICT? DO YOU NEED SOME PSYCHIATRIC HELP?"

I don't think you need psychiatric help, your just stupid. Hmm how does this contradict, hmm.... Lets see, well, SUN creates LIGHT, LIGHTBULBS with ELEFCTRICITY create light, FIRE creates SOME light, PHOSPHORUS creates a Glow.... MOON does NOT create light. Hmm, in biblical times LIGHTBULBS and ELECTRICITY did not EXIST. SO the sun and fire are the MAIN sorces of light, and I think we can all agree that god did not make a bonfire and call it day....

Ok. We can scientifically prove that all of the light that makes light that humans can visibly see come from OUR sun and maybe .0001% from other suns (stars, for the intelligently inept). If you can't agree with that, Ill just have to restrain myself from flying over there and kicking some sense into that bloated head of yours. SO, if the sun was created AFTER LIGHT, then where is that light now? The only light we have is from stars, yet in the bible light came before stars.

No stars, no light. Get it? JEEZUS, EVERY theist I have talked to AKNOWLEGED that that was a supposed contradiction, they REALIZED how other people could suppose that. You make yourself out to be too stupid even for the rationalization of other people's ideologies. So much for open mindedness.

"WHAT? THE BIBLE STATES THAT MAN WERE CREATED AFTER "OTHER ANIMALS" AND THEN BEFORE "OTHER ANIMALS", HOW CAN THIS CONTRADICT IF WE DIDNT KNOW WHAT KIND OF ANIMALS WAS IT PARTICULARLY"

Thank you for your idiotic caps ranting again. Maybe if you would spend more time thinking about how to articulate a defense instead of holding shift (im quite confident you don't know how to use caps lock) then MAYBE, you'd come up with something half-way intelligent. YOU EVEN HAVE A WHOLE PAGE DEVOTED TO YOUR STUPIDITY!

Yes the bible says ALL animals created before then ALL animals created after. How hard is this to understand. EVEN IF I am completely wrong, you should be able to at least UNDERSTAND my arguement. You are thus failing quite redily.

"unless if it said "God created man first then tigers", and in the other chapter "God created tigers first then man", then that contradicts"

Yes that is what it says, just substitute "all animals" for "tigers"...

"If theres anything here that contradicts, IT IS YOUR LEFT BRAIN WITH YOUR RIGHT BRAIN, YOU SEEM DYSFUNCTIONAL..."

Maybe we live on a mobious strip and you took the trip around;)
(does anyone understand that by the way?)

YOU SAY: "God doesnt change, he is the same yesterday,today, and tommorrow. GOD IS ALWAYS OMINIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT, ALL KNOWING, ALL GOOD, AND ALL MERCIFULL. AND THE BIBLE PROVES THAT.... "

THEN YOU SAY: "HE CHANGES HIS MIND"

What kind of shit is this. CHANGES vs NO CHANGES. God damnit make up your mind.

"I WILL NOT ANSWER ABOUT GOD BEING A JUDGE AND EVEN ALLOWED THE DEATH OF "FLESH" UPON HIS HUMAN KIND"

Why not? Not only did he allow the slaughter of "flesh", he encouraged it. This needs some more Caps lock rant to satisfy me.

"REPENTANCE IS NOT "LYING",FRENCHY.... "

Yes you're right; it is admittance and suffering for his error. God is not supposed to make errors. So how can he repent?
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Quote to me exactly. by verse where it says "God created thje heavens and the earth in a day" in the second chapter. YOUR PLAIN STUPID, IT SAYS "ON A DAY THAT GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, HE FORMED MAN OUT OF DUST". MEANING ON "THAT DAY", MEANING EITHER IT WAS ON THE 5TH. OR 6TH, WHICHEVER DAY IT WAS, God may create other things after that as well...
If u think LIGHT comes from nothing else but the sun, stars, and the moon, WELL THEN EXPLAIN TO ME WHERE THE STARS, SUN, AND MOON COME FROM? MAGICLY APPEARED OUT OF NOWEHER? BY SUPER DUPER ACCIDENT? OR WAIT, IT ALWAYS EXISTED? SO IT LOOKS LIKE ITS BACK TO TOPIC NUMBER ONE, IS IT SUPER DUPER LUCK (CHANCE), OR IS IT INTELLIGENCE, WANT TO DISCUST THIS AGAIN?


Listen, God isnt strong now, then later on becomes weak, he isnt smart now, then later on becomes dum, GOD HAS NO LIMITS, God is always all powerfull, all knowing, and all good... BUT IT DOESNT MEAN HE DOESNT HAVE THOUGHTS, JUDGMENT, AND FREEWILL, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU POSSES THIS BUT THE CREATOR WHO FORMED YOU OUT OF HIS IMAGE DOESNT? U CHANGE MIND RIGHT? SO WHAT IMAGE ARE WE FORMED FROM?

U misunderstood Life in general...

Love is a sin and at the same time a good act. For instance, to love your neighbors is good, but the love of money is evil (idolatry).

Hate is a sin and at the same time a good act. For instance, to hate your neighbors is a sin, but tohate the things of the world is a good act (Whoever is the friend of the world is an enemy of God).

Jealousy is a sin and at the same time a good act. For instance, to be jealous of the possesion of your neighbors is a sin, but to be jealous of your spiritual brothers virtuous life is a good one.

THATS HOW HUMAN RACE IS IN GENERAL, WE ARE BORN TO LOVE, TO HATE, TO ANGER, TO BE JEALOUS, ETC. BUT IT IS THE MATTER OF WHAT TO LOVE, WHAT TO HATE, WHAT TO BE JEALOUS OF, AND WHAT TO BE ANGER OF....THATS WHY WE NEED THE "WORD" OF JESUS CHRIST, "MY WORDS ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE"- JESUS. SPIRIT IS NOTHING WITHOUT THE WORD, JUST AS THE "HOLY SPIRIT" NEEDS JESUS (THE WORD). OR JUST AS THE LAWS OF PHYSICS IS NOTHING WITHOUT INTELLIGENCE (PROOF OF SCIENTIFIC STUDY)....

WHOEVER IN THIS WORLD CLAIMS THAT HE CAN LIVE IN THIS WORLD WITHOUT HATING IS A LIAR, FOR EVEN JESUS HIMSELF HATE THE SINS, AND THE THINGS OF THE WORLD, BUT HE DOESNT HATE THE SINNER. JESUS EVEN SHOWS ANGER TOWARDS THE HIPOCRITES, HE SAID TO THE PHARISEES "YOU BROOD OF VIPERS!"

GOD HAVE PERSONALITY, UNLIKE U AND ME..
GOD IS PERFECT, AND U MIGHT SAY "IF GOD IS PERFECT, HOW THEN CAN HE REPENT? THAT MUST MEAN THAT GOD SINNED"

ONCE AGAIN GOD HAVE PERSONALITY AND THE BIBLE SHOWS THAT CLEARLY. What is sin? Sin is "separation from God", GOD CANNOT SIN BECAUSE LAWS ISNT MADE FOR HIM, but for us.
For instance, AFTER JESUS'S DEATH, IT IS "WRONG" AND IMMORAL TO KILL, BUT WHY THEN DOES GOD ALLOWED DEATH STILL? BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY ONE JUDGE WHO CAN BUILD AND DESTROY- Book of James. It is wrong for us but it is not wrong for Him, but why is that?
That is because just like the father, why cant your father drive a car and your 8 yrs old butt cant? There is a reason things God can do but humans cant. Your brother has no right to ground you but your father for your brother doesnt have authority over you.
IT IS THE MATTER OF "WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO DO IT".
WHAT IS GOOD? AND WHAT IS EVIL? TO YOU PORN MIGHT BE GOOD, BUT TO OTHERS PORN IS EVIL, SO WHAT IS GOOD TO YOU MAY VERY WELL BE BAD TO GOD, U MIGHT THINK IT IS WRONG TO RAPE, BUT ITS OK TO SLAUGHTER MILLIONS OF CHILDREN (ABORTION)....GOD IS PERFECT, NO LAWS AFFECT HIM, NO SIN STAINS HIM, WE ARE SUBJECT TO HIM, NOT HIM SUBJECT TO US.

GOD IS THE "TRUTH", TRUTH IS DEFINED AS "THE WAY TO ETERNAL LIFE", MEANING GOD GIVES US THE CHANCE TO FOLLOW THE VIRTUES AND LIVE PEACEFULLY IN ETERNITY WIOTH HIM...
ONCE AGAIN TO HAVE PERSONALITY MEANS TO "THINK" TO HAVE JUDGMENT, AND TO HAVE FREEWILL" MEANING HE CAN CHANGE HIS MOOD, STRIKE WHEN AT WILL" BUT ONE THING IS FOR SURE, GOD IS ALL GOOD, AND THE PROOF OF THAT IS JESUS DEATH, THROUGH OUR EVIL INTENTION AND SIN WE DESERVE TO SUFFER AND DIE, BUT GOD TOOK RTHAT AWAY FROM US....

note: I cannot substitute the word "OTHER ANIMALS" into "ALL ANIMALS", YOU ARE SELF CONTRADICTORY, THATS 2 DIFFERENT WORDS...got it kid?
 
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so whos stupid now Frenchy? GOT MORE OF THE SO CALLED "BIBLE CONTRADICTION"? I just proved u wrong here but I got the feeling your brain needs time to understand this, and i will be here ready to help you out.....bible...contradictory....LOL, those words make me laugh, because they dont mix, it is like....atheist....normal....that makes me laugh too, the 2 dont mix...Bible is only contradictory to the atheist, and the ignorant christians, but to thoe who study it (like me), the bible is an absolute, NO ERRORS, no contradictory, AND I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO POST IT if they find one....ILL BE WAITING....
 
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Thanks for the complement Q!

Originally posted by VAKEMP
An atheist doesn't believe in God. An agnostic needs evidence of God before he believes (or evidence that God doesn't exist before he doesn't believe). I've already cited the definitions twice today. Once in this post, and once in the 'Prove it to me' thread.
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Not quite correct VAKEMP... here's a clarification:

Strong Atheism is the belief that there is no God… simple enough.

Weak Atheism is the lack of belief in God, without the negative assertion.

Weak Atheism is close to Agnosticism which, of course, has it's own variants:

Strict Agnosticism is the belief that the question of God's existence is intrinsically unknowable.

Empirical Agnosticism is the belief that the God's existence is not knowable but simply undecided (not enough evidence to say either way).

Obviously, the Weak Atheist and Empirical Agnostic are fairly close and confusing. The difference, generally, is that the Empirical Agnostic position is that there is or may be some evidence of God's existence, just not enough to make a judgment while the Weak Atheist does not believe there is any evidence for God but admits to a lack of knowledge that is required for an absolute assertion that God does not exist.

There are some possible complexities beyond this but these are the major positions of Atheism and Agnosticism.

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Originally posted by Frencheneesz
This means that everything is predestined (predetermined by its "machinery" as you say).

The car is predestined, but the driver isn't. :rolleyes:
In fact the car (universal/ material body) is under the control of the person (spiritual entity).

If you have a lever that moves to a certain spot when you push button, you KNOW that when the machine is put into action, the lever WILL move to that certain spot, therefore the machine has no choice, or free will.

No but the person who pushes button does, if he is a human.

If god KNOWS what will happen in the future than freewill does not actually exist, only an illision of such.

There is no future from Gods perspective, it is all knowledge of His own energies. Freewill means you have the choice to serve GOD or serve the senses/maya, illusion, whatever.

It is not hard to know the future if you have knowledge; the sun will rise tomorrow. :rolleyes:

The ONLY way free will can exist is if god is uncertain about the future in any way.

Why?

Your arguements here contradict themselves. Freewill cannot exist if the universe only has ONE way to work its "machinery".

I don't know about you but "I" am not a machine, i can go this way or that way, my body, which is a machine (of sorts), is under my control, to a point.

IF it is possible to know the future exactly, then freewill does not exist.

The future is unfolding according to our activities, our activities are either under the control of nature/maya, which God understands perfectly, or are service to God. When we are under the control of nature/maya, we forfeit our freewill, by enjoying bodily pleasures (animalistic) and become predictable.
The animals (who don't have freewill) are also doing this, it is nothing new, and certainly not an intelligent move on any level.

Thats dumb, knowledge is not a particle consisting of peices, it is a collection of stored memory.

That is so funny!! :p
That almost rivals, love is nothing but a chemical reaction in the brain, which evolved out of our survival instinct. :p

Science and mathmatics are very much tied, and art has no knowledge. Art is in the eye of the beholder whereas science and math are in the stupidity of the beholder.

Where do you get this material from. :D

If god can calculate, predict, or predestine the future, then freewill is impossible. That is our argument. God has nothing to do with it.

Then why do you waste your time arguing about God, it is my opinion that you do believe God exists, but you, like many others, have a deep-rooted dislike, even hatred, of Him and anything to do with Him.

If you seriously want to argue about "God," then go learn! :rolleyes:

Love

Jan Ardena.
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"Its hard to give a hard explanation of what a good proof is. You cannot use evidence that may have been tampered with (the hearsay of writings such as the bible), or that contradicts itself or many other documents."
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Some Christians rely heavily on antiquated documents as evidence supporting the Bible, and ultimately, God. I have, on numerous occasions, presented this type of evidence, such as eyewitness testimonies corroborated by New Testament writers, to the bevy of atheists here on this site. However, I am consistently greeted with the typical knee-jerk responses by most. There are over 800 known NON-BIBLICAL documents in existence that are both historically accurate and archaeologically consistent with biblical narratives. Yet, each time I present this fact, it is predictably dismissed with the rubber stamp response of ‘that is not sufficient proof’ by most atheists here on this site. If you say that this is not valid, then we must analyze your criteria and methodology of examination to see if it is objective and reasonable.

For example, the Tell El Amarna tablets is a compilation of tablets dating back to 1390-1327 BCE, and is considered as perhaps the greatest archaeological discovery ever found in Egypt. These tablets contain information, told from the victim’s side, of Joshua’s conquest of Canaan. This archaeological discovery is consistent in facts, lexicon, nomenclature and locality with the narrative of the Bible.

Like I previously stated, there are hundreds more NON-BIBLICAL documents that support the validity of the Bible and it’s contents. The problem, once again, lies in presuppositions. Most atheists will immediately negate all evidence presented to them to both satisfy their presuppositions and to fulfill their circular reasoning, which basically is that there is no evidence. For those willing to listen, I am willing to teach the Truth.

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for now on I will never trust the quotes from the atheist, what a compulsive liar. I should have known better, instead of taking their word...I was giving it a second thought and u know what,. for few years i have been studying the bible, i never recognized what Frencyhy quoted "On the day God created the heavens and the earth", so I checked my bible when i got home.

I checked it my self, I got 3 bibles, i have 2 american version, and a new jerusalem version, abnd all of them didnt say "ON THE DAY THAT GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH", BUT INSTEAD, IT IS WRITTEN "AT THE TIME THAT GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH", and i dont know what kind of bible they took that from, BUT all i know is that they are translated to english and some bible are weird.
 
Originally posted by whatsupyall
for now on I will never trust the quotes from the atheist, what a compulsive liar. I should have known better, instead of taking their word...I was giving it a second thought and u know what,. for few years i have been studying the bible, i never recognized what Frencyhy quoted "On the day God created the heavens and the earth", so I checked my bible when i got home.

I checked it my self, I got 3 bibles, i have 2 american version, and a new jerusalem version, abnd all of them didnt say "ON THE DAY THAT GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH", BUT INSTEAD, IT IS WRITTEN "AT THE TIME THAT GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH", and i dont know what kind of bible they took that from, BUT all i know is that they are translated to english and some bible are weird.
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If it came from skepticsbible.com it should be from king james version. But oddly enough i kind of agree with you here. Alot of the contradictions in skeptics bible (like this one) are so nitpicky that they're pretty meanigless.
 
Wow

Lovely to see all this mushy stuff going around. Compliments flying like the pig Thor saw through his window:). What do you think Truth Seeker? Lovely convivial atmosphere.

To state again. A day can mean any amount of time to God. The Bible is God's revelation of himself to man. It was revealed to man so that he can preserve it in his own imperfect language system. You have to read the Bible carefully, as Vienna said. God has a will of his own. God can change his mind. We might not like what he does, but he is God, and He knows it is for our own good.

If God exists then scientists will cause an ear to grow on a mouses back!!! Heeeeyyyy they did!?! :)

I said this before I saw 'the axe's' post - an 'attempt' to 'cut' down all us 'religious' creeps. So it's not all that lovely.
 
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A day can mean any amount of time to God

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day
is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years
as one day." -2 Peter 3:8 (KJV)
 
Marc,

A day can mean any amount of time to God. The Bible is God's revelation of himself to man. It was revealed to man so that he can preserve it in his own imperfect language system.
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Language conveys meaning. If God chose to use our language so that we may understand then he would have used words that have meanings that we can understand.

A day to us means 24 hours. Why would he choose a language that we can understand and then assign different meanings to the words?
 
Wow. Judging by antonio's response, he/she must have researched my earlier post and found it to be..............REALLY TRUE. Imagine that. Yet, this is only one of hundreds more 'evidences', discovered by secular archaeologists and validated by your science gods, as historically accurate and archaeologically consistent with the narrative and content of the Holy Bible that I will continue to produce for those who choose not to believe on the basis of 'no evidence'.

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Non capisce!

Originally posted by Raithere
Yes there is.
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In a purely mechanistic/deterministic Universe everything is strictly a matter of cause and effect. This would include us. Our minds, in a deterministic universe, are simply computers... input/output systems. We have no freedom of choice in such a situation as our decisions would simply be a matter of cause and effect.

If you decide to remain blockheaded, why bother reply?
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Seems to me that when you don't understand you simply become abusive. Typical. If you attempted to understand what I'm saying rather than simply denying my argument in a knee-jerk reaction perhaps you'd be able to formulate a reasonable response.

As it is this conversation is taking the same route all my conversations with you have. You try to claim your belief system is logical when, in fact, it isn't. Your entire argument is simply a string of unproven assertions... when proof is requested or errors are pointed out you withdraw into denial. Your manner is that of most fanatics.

So you’re saying God wouldn’t know, that at some point a human being has to drink?
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Not if we have free-will no, he doesn't know.

Even I know that at some stage you have to have a drink.
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No. You don't. There are plenty of people who have chosen not to drink... and died. There are thousands of coma patients who do not drink... but are instead hydrated intravenously. With free-choice there is no "have to"... that's the whole point of free-will.

You're confused about what knowledge is. What you 'know', in this instance, is that a person must maintain a certain level of fluids in their body to continue living. You assume that they will willingly drink some liquid for this purpose but that is not the same as knowing that they will do so.

The knowledge is, you need water to survive, capeesh!
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Sorry Jan, but it is you who does not understand.

Omniscience does not mean just knowing how things work and what is likely to happen. Omniscience means knowing everything... each and every fragment of the past and the future, precisely and exactly, every single detail down past the subatomic level. Not only would an omniscient god know that humans need to maintain hydration but he would know exactly when, what, where I would take my next drink. He would know, down to the exact number of molecules, how much water I consumed, which molecules evaporated from my lips, which ones traveled to each specific liver cell and which ones traveled to each specific brain cell. Not only would he know all of this but he would know everything else and he would have known it a billion years before I was born. That is what omniscience means.

The desire remains in the heart, it is not a thought or consideration, those come later, and they serve your desire which is usually to satisfy the senses.
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Really? Then how is it that our thoughts can affect our desires? If desires come first and thoughts serve desire then how can my thoughts affect my desires which preexisted them?

God knows us, and therefore knows our desires, which is the root of our actions. How many decisions do we make a day, and what are they concerning?
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Irrelevant.

The universe is deterministic, and so are the inhabitants that we know of, but the human being, can go this way or that way according to his situation, without being impeded by natural impulses, if he so desires.
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If a human's 'choice' is purely a result of the situation then there is no free-will... we are then automatons.

What kind of evidence would you require, to be convinced.
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The convincing kind of evidence. Something aside from hearsay. Something repeatable, testable, and otherwise inexplicable. The kind of evidence that necessitates God. Hell, I'll even take a valid logical argument into consideration. What kind of evidence do you have? I'm happy to consider any of it.

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Muscleman:

Good job. You successfully had more quote at the top than Caps locked words on the bottom (or words at all!).
If you would go over certain quotes it would be MUCH easier for me to respond...

"GOD HAS NO LIMITS, God is always all powerfull, all knowing, and all good"

Then he can't change his mind and repent dipshit. This is what I was arguing. FUCK MAN! USE YOUR BRAIN FIRST!

"Sin is "separation from God", "

Bullshit. Sin is clearly labled in the ten commandments. IF god goes against his ten commandments, not only is he being hypocryticall, BUT HE IS SINNING!

CAN ANY OTHER THIEST BESIDES WHATSUPALL tell me that sin means separation from god?

I can't respond to the rest of that junk, im sorry. Its just too hard to read - I don't want to waste my time with it.

"for now on I will never trust the quotes from the atheist, what a compulsive liar."

Ok, well in that case I expect you to leave all the theism places and stop arguing with athiests, sinse you think it is futile. As someone pointed out, those contradictions are not my own writing. I don't have a bible. I'm sorry if my sources got something a bit wrong.

Neutrino said "Alot of the contradictions in skeptics bible (like this one) are so nitpicky that they're pretty meanigless.". This has a lot of sense and I suppose that its somewhat true. Yet I don't know how people can believe that the bible is perfect and is actual history.

Whatsupall, Do you believe in the bible litterally? Do you take it as actual historical fact?
 
"You are a monument to stupidity inspector. You and all other religion lovers. Fuck religion. Do you think God likes religious assholes like you. Religion and God are like water and oil. They don't mix. Do you think God is religious, or that jesus is a Christian. Fuck that. REligion is a worm idea, it will suck all good things in you, you fuckin creep."

This is sooooooooo helpful. Thank you for clearing that up for us.

While you're at it you can go fuck yourself. This is a place for discussion.

This guy seems like the Atheist muscleman. While I agree with you Ax, I only do out of repeated theist stupidity. I know that beliefs differ and I do not intend to stereotype peoples like you and muscleman/whatsupall have done so well.

its ironic that Axs statement came right before whatsupall's im-so-stupid-so-im-going-to-stereotype-all-theists-even-though-I-live-in-my-own-little-world-and-probably-don't-even-know-more-than-6-or-7-actual-atheists" shpeil.

As a recap. You are both idiots, but so far even whatsupall has the edge over you Ax, because he has put a bit of effort into actually explaining things, whereas you have just tainted our side of the argument offering no counter arguements whatsoever.

If you have no interest in rational discussions, then you shouldn't be here
 
Jan Ardena:

For some reason my response to you didn't come up. Ill give you a short recap.

"The car is predestined, but the driver isn't.
In fact the car (universal/ material body) is under the control of the person (spiritual entity). "

Yes, where the car is the universe. The universe contains humans. If the car (in the example) has no freewill, than neither do humans. God would be the "person" in control of the car in this example. I think you have said that god does not control the universe, therefore I think you would argue againts god being the car's controller here.

Think about this:

1. If god knows the future PERFECTLY, then there is only one way that the universe can happen.

2. If there is only ONE WAY for the universe to happen, then there is no "choice" that can be (because you only have ONE thing to choose from, therefore no choice)

3. IF there is no choices a human can make, than freewill is impossible.

I'm sure you can agree that freewill cannot exist IF IF IF there is no possibility for choices, right?

"That almost rivals, love is nothing but a chemical reaction in the brain, which evolved out of our survival instinct."

Um, I don't know what you are trying to say. Are you trying to say that you believe that love evolved out of neccessity or are you being sarcastic?

"I disagree, knowledge does not need information, because you already know, information can lead to knowledge, but once you know, there is no need of information. "

What is your definition of "knowlege"?

"Yes and no, we are simultaneosly one and different. "

I see what you are saying, but it is metephorical. I've noticed that you talk in metephors A LOT! The way you write is great for an english class, but here (and anywhere) it just confuses the matter and give a vauge statement. It would be nice if you wound't make metephorical statements.

Taking your sentence litterally, It most obviously contradicts itself. Something cannot be the same thing and different things at the same time. An answer cannot be 'yes' and 'no' at the same time. Both of your answers are metephorical, and even though I know what you are trying to say, it remains vauge about what you actually think.
 
axonio98,

You are a monument to stupidity inspector. You and all other religion lovers. Fuck religion. Do you think God likes religious assholes like you. Religion and God are like water and oil. They don't mix. Do you think God is religious, or that jesus is a Christian. Fuck that. REligion is a worm idea, it will suck all good things in you, you fuckin creep.
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It is true that Religiona s abunch of doctrines or laws is stupid. However, I completly support the idea of a loving relationship between man and God.

A little note: Do not speak unkind words. You reap what you sow. If you sow unkind words you will reap unkind words.

Galatians 6:7
"7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. "

1 John 4:12
"12 No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us. "

1 John 3:11
"11 For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another;

1 Corinthians 13:4-7
"4 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant,
5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered,
6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;
7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. "
 
Originally posted by Cris
Marc,

Language conveys meaning. If God chose to use our language so that we may understand then he would have used words that have meanings that we can understand.

A day to us means 24 hours. Why would he choose a language that we can understand and then assign different meanings to the words?
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It is written in Psalms 90 v. 4 as well that a day is a thousand years to God. Why? Because this shows how sharp His mind is compared to us, how powerfull his thought is, YOU NEED WISDOM TO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING TO THIS....Check this...

I have explained this in other posts already...Someone who can run 28 mph, can be very fast to others thoughts, and very slow to other man as well...

If you work on a wine factory, when u are in a position where u have to watch 60 bottles per minute pass by and have to check for damaged labels. EVERY MINUTE FEELS LIKE AN HOUR, at this state you are required to work your mind harder. Now, try to lay back and relax, dont pay attention to the bottles that passes by. AND ONE HOUR WILL GO BY LIKE NOTHING...Or a better example is sleeping, 4 hrs will pass by like nothing, but pay attention and count every cars that passes by the freeway, every minute seems an hour...
My nephew thinks I can run really fast and quick, but my friends thinks im slow, because their mind is sharper than my nephews..

It is the matter of how sharp your mind is (or in this analogy "how hard your making your mind work").
To us, the world moves very slow when it rotates, it takes 96 hrs for earth to rotate 360 degrees, but if there was someone who have 96 times weaker mind than hours, then earth seemed to rotate as fast as an hour...
The bullet may be very fast and quick, which our mind isnt SHARP enough to catch it, but if theres someone who have a very very sharp mind, a bullet may very well travel as slow as a turtle, because that "someone" have so sharp of a mind, that he can pinpoint exactly every 0.000000009 of a second of every movement of the bullet, now that someone must have a very very sharp mind huh....
A BULLET MAY TRAVEL 1 SECOND IN 18 MILES, BUT TO THAT SOMEONE WHO HAVE A VERY VERY SHARP MIND, THAT BULLET TRAVELED 100 YEARS IN 18 MILES, SO A SECOND TO THAT SOMEONE IS A HUNDRED YEARS, BECAUSE OF HIS SHARP MIND...
"A DAY TO US IS A THOUSAND YEARS TO GOD", meaning God's thought and sharpness of mind is like a thousand times compared to our intelligence. BUT THEN AGAIN, BACK THEN THEIR VOCABULARY IS LIMITED, TODAY, WE CAN FIND MANY SYNONYMES FOR THE WORD "DRAWING", U CAN SAY "SKETCH" OR "OUTLINE", BUT BACK THEN THEY DONT, IF THEY TRIED TO DESCRIBE A FAT PERSON WITH BIG TEETH AND BIG EYES, THEY MIGHT HAVE TO SAY "I SAW A MAN AS HUGE AS AN ELEPHANT WITH A TEETH OF A LION AND AN EYE OF AN OWL", because that is the only way their vocabs can show them, though they dont mean it literally (Unlike some ppl here).
So once again, the bible might say God's mind is 1000 times more sharper than us, but the word "Thousand times" is translated from hebrew, and it may just mean "Alot more sharper than ours", BUT TO ME, GOD'S MIND IS QUINTILLION AFTER QUINTILLION TIMES SHARPER THAN OURS....Thats the VOCAB THAT IS AVAILABLE TODAY....:)
 
Time?

Originally posted by Cris
Marc,

Language conveys meaning. If God chose to use our language so that we may understand then he would have used words that have meanings that we can understand.

A day to us means 24 hours. Why would he choose a language that we can understand and then assign different meanings to the words?
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K Cris,

God reavealed Himself to us and we interpreted it using our language.

God didn't 'assign different meanings'. As the Evil Poet stated above, What'supy'all stated above; God stated in His revealed word that a day can mean any* amount of time to Him [2 Peter 3: 8; Psalm 90:4] - read them and you'll see - read them in a Bible - not some partial atheist website. My first intuition is that He was trying to make things simpler for us. He is basically telling us to open our minds to Who He is right there - that's how I see it - and that's how what'supy'all sees it.

And what'supy'all did the rest. Pay special* attention to the final part of his post about vocabulary available back in those days.
 
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