I definitely understand that some do... but every guy? Not at all. I know plenty of guys who aren't like that. The most extreme case was my ex-boyfriend. He never had promiscuous sex in his life. He was already 32 when we met. Throughout his whole life, girls threw themselves at him and he shrugged them off because he would rather not have sex at all than have promiscuous sex. Did I mention he was HOT and a model throughout his 20's. I'll post pictures if you don't believe me lol.
Getting a prostitute for your son. Acceptable or no?
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I definitely understand that some do... but every guy? Not at all. I know plenty of guys who aren't like that. The most extreme case was my ex-boyfriend. He never had promiscuous sex in his life. He was already 32 when we met. Throughout his whole life, girls threw themselves at him and he shrugged them off because he would rather not have sex at all than have promiscuous sex. Did I mention he was HOT and a model throughout his 20's. I'll post pictures if you don't believe me lol.
I think it was traditionally considered part of a boy's education, so the boy wouldn't seem completely inept on his wedding day. In a more innocent age, it might even have been a good idea. Nowadays, with internet porn, TV, movies, and teens having sex at younger and younger ages, it's no longer needed. Not to mention that the risk of HIV has turned sex with a prostitute into a much more dangerous proposition.
Who are you talking about? The whore? It's how she makes a living. Surely she's enough of an actor to convince an 18 year old boy.
well, iceaura apparently its what some guys are used to, can't tell the difference, or just don't care.
As I mentioned a bit ago in this thread, my first time was with a hooker (no parent was involved). I was 20, I wanted to try it out and I didn't even have a girlfriend, let alone a sexual relationship with someone; so when an unexpected opportunity arose, after some hesitation, I took it. After I did it, I waited 10 years; it's not that I couldn't have paid for another within those 10 years until I did it again, with my second girlfriend. I won't say that I wasn't tempted, but I wanted the second time around to be with someone who I was sure wasn't doing it for the money.
I don't regret my decision, but I also believe that had I known more concerning how to approach girls I would have gladly skipped the hooker deal in favour of doing it with a girlfriend. As it is, I'm still not the best at this whole relationship thing, but atleast I can now say that I have a little experience
Do you love your kid or not? Do you believe in teaching integrity?
It's more respectful to women to pay prostitutes directly, than to try to turn innocent virgins into whores.
Orleander, so what you are saying is that integrity is less important than getting laid? That it's better to lie, cheat, steal, deceive, manipulate, to get what you want? I disagree, I think disrespect for women is pathetic, because actual women get hurt when people adopt your behavior, while prostitutes are just doing a job and I see it no different from any other job really.
Only on the first page, but it's legal in Nevada.
Some people in the world actually respect women. Is that a surprise?
Women are not sex objects, rather than use innocent women for sex, why not be a man and pay for it directly? You'll be paying for it one way or the other, either in broken hearts, lies, and deception, or with gifts, money, etc.
The guys who pay in gifts are gentlemen, the guys who pay in lies and deception are players. The difference between a gentleman and a player is that a gentleman actually respects womens emotions, a player does not.
As I mentioned a bit ago in this thread, my first time was with a hooker (no parent was involved). I was 20, I wanted to try it out and I didn't even have a girlfriend, let alone a sexual relationship with someone; so when an unexpected opportunity arose, after some hesitation, I took it. After I did it, I waited 10 years; it's not that I couldn't have paid for another within those 10 years until I did it again, with my second girlfriend. I won't say that I wasn't tempted, but I wanted the second time around to be with someone who I was sure wasn't doing it for the money.
I don't regret my decision, but I also believe that had I known more concerning how to approach girls I would have gladly skipped the hooker deal in favour of doing it with a girlfriend. As it is, I'm still not the best at this whole relationship thing, but atleast I can now say that I have a little experience
The problem with sex with a girlfriend is, girlfriends have emotions you have to consider, while the hooker does not. This usually means the hooker will be better at pleasing you for that one night stand, but if its a girlfriend then you'll have to see her annoying face day after day after day, you get my point?
So the role is, make love to your girlfriends, have sex with your prostitutes and or mistresses. But love and sex are separate and apply to separate situations.
Getting laid has nothing to do with love, so don't bother finding a girlfriend for those purposes, it's a waste of your time and hers and will probably make her stalk you.
And despite what all players say, the women who offer themselves up for casual sex, who accept drinks and gifts in exchange for a one night stand,
these situations are morally equal to going to a hooker and just giving her the $100. The difference is one is designed to be stealthy because the people involved are embarassed about their sexuality for whatever reason.
Look, if any of you really want to get laid, just join a sex club. You pay a fee up front, you might have to get checked out for STDs, but you'll for sure get laid.
As far as relationships go, you bait a girl with your physical appearance, wealth or power, then you seduce her by winning her heart and mind. It's simple as that really, and most women are attracted to powerful men, so be powerful, get your education, make money, or enlist. Finally be able to respect womens emotions, because you have to win their heart too if you want to keep a woman longer than a month or two.
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Well, you said something, that's a good start- last time I got no responses at all
.It's not unheard of- there's a movie or 2 out with the theme of the relatively old male virgin- here's one who hadn't yet done the deed at 40. I never saw it, but I saw previews for another which I can't remember the name of.
Personally I believe that sexual services are bought and sold in part because of the differences between men and women- only women can get pregnant and it's a big deal. In this new day and age, men are beginning to be more responsible (some are even forced to be more responsible), but at the end of the day, the fact remains that when kids arrive, if things go wrong, the woman is usually the one that has to deal with it.
I am, ofcourse, not taking into account the gay issue. By all means, someone can try to work out that angle ;-). One thing's for sure, sexuality in general can be seen as taboo, certainly for 'children', and if you grew up like me, who always wanted to do the 'right' thing, sexuality was definitely something that was difficult to deal with (what is right for children to do, when, with whom, etc.- heavy subjects for anyone with a deeply engrained conscience and mine started early).
At 20, I guess you could say that I'd gotten tired of the mores of my mother, which in many ways weren't really even her mores- they were more her parent's mores as well as the religion she'd decided to adopt at the time (islam, it was my own as well from about 11 to 16). In point of fact, I never heard her parents talk about sexuality; this is a way of adopting mores- it's more about what is not said then what is. Anyway, life didn't really seem worth living with all the restrictive mores I seem to have grown up with and I figured that either my life should end or I should change my mores; and so I did.
That's not to say that I no longer think about what is ethical- it's more that I'm never going back to Kansas (oz reference).
I don't think of having your heart broken as being lied to, used, cheated, etc. You just fall out of love, move apart, grow up, etc.
And what EXACTLY do you mean 'your behavior'?
LMAO :roflmao:
Are you seriously saying a person has sex 2x in 30 years because of respect for women? It has NOTHING to do with the woman. It had everything to do with him.
And if you ask draqon and mike, a man who pays in gifts is being used by a shallow gold digger.
scott3x said:As I mentioned a bit ago in this thread, my first time was with a hooker (no parent was involved). I was 20, I wanted to try it out and I didn't even have a girlfriend, let alone a sexual relationship with someone; so when an unexpected opportunity arose, after some hesitation, I took it. After I did it, I waited 10 years; it's not that I couldn't have paid for another within those 10 years until I did it again, with my second girlfriend. I won't say that I wasn't tempted, but I wanted the second time around to be with someone who I was sure wasn't doing it for the money.
I don't regret my decision, but I also believe that had I known more concerning how to approach girls I would have gladly skipped the hooker deal in favour of doing it with a girlfriend. As it is, I'm still not the best at this whole relationship thing, but atleast I can now say that I have a little experience
The problem with sex with a girlfriend is, girlfriends have emotions you have to consider, while the hooker does not.
Uh.. hookers are still girls. They can even be girlfriends. But for whatever reason, they chose to have sex for money.
You seem to be suggesting that girlfriends have annoying faces; not a supposition I agree with.
Ah, words. For the purposes of the above, I was using sex and making love interchangeably. Ideally, I'd like every sexual experience to be a 'make love' one.
Well, sex is a mechanical act while love is (in my view) more of a spiritual/emotional one; however, I think one can combine both; making love, as you say.
Again, words. Some people may use the term 'getting laid' and 'making love' interchangeably. Anyway, as I mentioned above, I would prefer every sexual encounter I have to be one that involves love.
This I believe I can agree with. As a matter of fact, I believe that if the purpose of the drinks, etc., is to fool a woman who is not 'that kind of girl' into that one night stand, I believe that being with a prostitute may well be a better option. I've never been the type of guy who wanted to fool anyone. I won't say I haven't done it, but as a general rule, the reason was because I was very afraid indeed of saying the truth. The only time I can remember lying to someone I loved was when I was 16 and a mutual friend asked me point blank if I loved her, in front of her. I'd barely spoken to her. I simply couldn't admit it like that, especially since I was terrified that she'd cut me up with that knowledge. So I said no in a pained voice, and then got out of the room as quick as possible. I later told the same guy that I'd lied and why and cried and all that. It was way later and I wasn't even going to the same school anymore. I'm fairly sure that she knew that I loved her; I even believe there was a time when she might have loved me. But this is all speculation on my part.
Sounds good (I assume you mean that the hooker is the stealthy one- that's the way I found things to be anyway).
I paid a hooker once, at 20, to see what sex was like. Didn't have it again until my second girlfriend, at 30. Do I sound like the type of guy who just wants to get 'laid'?
I'm not judging, I just don't know what to say. I grew up in a very sexually restricted home as well. But it would have been against my nature to wait 10 years between 'experiences'
Have you been sippin' on the bottle of Ignorance?
What's your freakin problem anyway?
I've never had a hooker. I've never, during any post in this thread stated that I've had one. I've made plenty of speculative and hypothetical statements, but nothing stating anything I've done.
I see no problem with it.
Just as TimeTraveler mentions, if the boy wants some no strings attached that seems like a pretty good idea.
I agree that it has everything to do with me and what created the way I am. I also believe I have a deep respect for women. This doesn't mean that I get along with every woman I meet. In point of fact, however, most of the women I've met and had a relationship with, I met first (and sometimes only) online. On a scale of 1 to 10 in face to face first time meet shyness, I definitely approach a 10.