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I have met many. That you haven't does not change the argument although it probably has less meaning for you.
Basically we come down to suffering existing in heaven and suffering existing in hell. Can you explain to me what value there is in that? If I were to accept this, can you kindly provide me a reason to want to worship your god? If I am going to suffer either way, what possible difference does it make?
“ Originally Posted by StrangerInAStrangeLa
I am compelled to be useful because people have problems I can help with. If people didn't have those problems, I'd be fine with not being useful. ”
Absurd arrogant assinine assumptions.
You are a fool if you think you know me better than I do.
I have no idea how it would be yet you do?
You're fine with people being sick, uneducated, hungry & poor?
The purpose of life is to have problems?
Is this your idea of a joke?
I am compelled to be useful because people have problems I can help with. If people didn't have those problems, I'd be fine with not being useful. ”
Absurd arrogant assinine assumptions.
You are a fool if you think you know me better than I do.
I have no idea how it would be yet you do?
You're fine with people being sick, uneducated, hungry & poor?
The purpose of life is to have problems?
Is this your idea of a joke?
I would hope you would use your own intellect rather than look to other people for answers. But that is sadly a diminishing virtue these days. Everyone wants to be spoon fed and handed their beliefs on a platter.
I already answered the questions. You can approach any faith as you wish, I have, for instance, heard Francis Collins speak about his. The choice ultimately is whether you will focus on what others think or what you think about God, death, heaven and hell. Its not a new topic. There is tons of literature on the subject.
Can you kindly show me where you answered my questions? If it helps, I asked them on #242 and your latest response on #244 didn't address, let alone answer, any of them - it just kinda accused me of not having a brain. So where exactly did you answer them? Please highlight where you answered them or answer them now. Many thanks.
I don't remember saying you couldn't approach anything in any manner you want nor do I remember speaking about F. Collins. If we suffer in heaven and suffer in hell, what difference could it possibly make if we worship this god or not?
And I am asking, if you're paying attention, what difference such choice would make if you suffer in both locations. If you suffer in heaven and suffer in hell, of what value is the choice?
Kindly pay attention to what I am asking you and try to answer it whenever you get a spare moment. Many thanks.
Obviously, you're the spoonfeeding type. Here goes:
Why do you think you will suffer in heaven and hell?
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But if you could choose [say a treatment] whereby your son will not suffer due to pain, would you do it?
You'd never need to apply cold water, your son would never suffer any pain, not even if his hand was burned.
No, and I neither would I expect a benvolent omnipotent entity to do so.
But I will do what I can to:
- Heal burns
- Cure cancer
Because that's the logical, benevolent thing to do. Don't you agree?
Only if you think it is necessary to prolong individual mortality.
But objectively speaking, its rather irrelevant to the ecosystem. In fact, the logical course of action is to decimate populations that endanger the fragile balance of nature.
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If I were omniscient & omnipotent, that would not be the logical course of action.
If I were omniscient & omnipotent, that would not be the logical course of action.
We really are just monkey's throughing shit at each other...
All of this religious crap, makes me wish I was never born....
All of this religious crap, makes me wish I was never born....
Tsk, tsk, no shifting the ground. Perfectly predictable would perclude free will. Your understanding or not understanding of parts is irrelevant.
Or your analogy is weak and fails to actually make its point.
On post #234 in direct response to my assumption that there wouldn't be suffering in heaven, you stated that "We don't know anything about that", which gave rise to me looking at the alternative.
There either will be pain and suffering in heaven or there wont be. I have now questioned a position where there is but still have not received an answer concerning the issue from you. Kindly try again.
I personally find little choice but to contend that there will be serious suffering in heaven, (the reason for this can be found on www.snakeystew.com), however that isn't the reason it was questioned here. It was questioned here because of your earlier statements.
Kindly refrain from doing this, it does not aid discussion in any way whatsoever.
How is a position of suffering in heaven an alternative to a complete lack of knowledge about what happens? My own position is that we know nothing. If you think you will suffer or not suffer, perhaps you can tell me why you think that. Its your claim, after all.I fail to comprehend why I should explain your position.
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