Fat People's View on Skinny

[Orleander]

Yeah right, this guy is simply gourgeous!

http://rosemeritavares.com/images/jpgs/scarredFace.jpg

...As long as your the one dating him!

Its not sexy to me if its done on purpose. Scaring for vanity's sake isn't attractive. Interesting, but not attractive.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

So is it the scar that makes them beautiful or is it simply a scar on a beautiful face? I say it is a scar on an already beautiful face. Scars marr beauty no doubt about it.

 

[Oli]

Didn't you read what I wrote in my previous post to you? IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU WOULDN'T GO AND TALK TO HER!! That doesn't make her any less beautiful because you prefer another type.

So what does beautiful mean then?
She does not attract me in any way shape or form.
Not sexually and not aesthetically.
She's as bland as a scrubbed-clean chopping board.

 

[draqon]

you know how we got sexism, racism, semitism, well whats the word for hating fat people?

fatsoism?

 

[Orleander]

So is it the scar that makes them beautiful or is it simply a scar on a beautiful face? I say it is a scar on an already beautiful face. Scars marr beauty no doubt about it.

for me scars are more manly. Powerful men get scars. Soldiers get scars.
(I'm totally ignoring the fact that stupid kids skateboarding off the roof of their house get scars). But yeah, I like scars. Or an eye-patch

 

[Silverfire]

I see no scar on that face. As a matter of fact the picture is touched to look FLAWLESS which proves my point.

look at her arm.

 

[visceral_instinct]

for me scars are more manly. Powerful men get scars. Soldiers get scars.
(I'm totally ignoring the fact that stupid kids skateboarding off the roof of their house get scars). But yeah, I like scars. Or an eye-patch

Same reason I like scars. They tell me that he is daring, or that he has fought his way through something.

 

[Bells]

But there are some norms since food supply levels have been steady.

But there are many who exist outside of the norm.

Some things have just always been consistent:

1) Waist to hip ratio

Again, it is individual. There are men who find absolute beauty in the Dolly Parton's of this world (big boobs and smaller hips) and others who find it ugly. Beauty is individual.

2) Clear eyes, good skin, good teeth

3) Proportions

Also considered when buying a horse.

There's a universal standard of beauty with a real biological basis. There will always be deviations, but it's there. People who fit that have a very real advantage. Babies respond more positively to people who are considered "attractive" in a mainstream way. We're programmed to feel a certain way about people because of how they look.

Are we?

So because I don't find Brad Pitt to be beautiful, I am somehow programmed wrong?

As for babies.. again, subjective. I have a friend who is drop dead gorgeous and modeled her way through law school. Stunning would be the word that many use to describe her. Yet when my youngest was a baby, he would scream in horror and terror each time she came near him. And I have a friend who is obese, what many would consider to be ugly and my son adored and would actually lunge to be held by him. She would be considered attractive in a "mainstream way" and he would never be considered so.

We are programmed to feel a response to people who are attracted to us, as individuals. Some people, the greater majority in fact, are sheep and will only find beauty in others because they are told that is what is beautiful. Kind of like the people who simply must have the latest in fashion, regardless of whether it is beautiful or not (I bring to mind the bubble skirt of the 80's and leg warmers worn with said bubble skirt), because they are told it is beautiful. Then when they look back, they ask themselves "what in the hell was I thinking"..

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

So what does beautiful mean then?
She does not attract me in any way shape or form.
Not sexually and not aesthetically.
She's as bland as a scrubbed-clean chopping board.

Beauty has an aesthetic value which is objective from personal preference.

 

[Oli]

Same reason I like scars. They tell me that he is daring, or that he has fought his way through something.

Or just been a prat who made a mistake

 

[draqon]

Same reason I like scars. They tell me that he is daring, or that he has fought his way through something.

or that he is an idiot, and next time there will be no scar...on a dead body.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

for me scars are more manly. Powerful men get scars. Soldiers get scars.
(I'm totally ignoring the fact that stupid kids skateboarding off the roof of their house get scars). But yeah, I like scars. Or an eye-patch

My soldier has no scars and he was in N. Ireland, Iraq, Falklands, Afghanistan etc. He's absolutely drop dead gorgeous...which is the only reason to date a soldier

no I'm just kidding but seriously having bodily scars depending on how severe is not the same as having a terrible scar on ones face.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

look at her arm.

Having scars on ones arm isn't the same as having it across your face. Notice how flawless the face is? Who's looking at her arm?:shrug:

Bells: So because I don't find Brad Pitt to be beautiful, I am somehow programmed wrong?

No but I bet you don't find him ugly.

 

[Orleander]

Same reason I like scars. They tell me that he is daring, or that he has fought his way through something.

oh yeah. I remember the first time I saw Moshe Dayan in National Geographic. I was fascinated. I was also 6

 

[Orleander]

Having scars on ones arm isn't the same as having it across your face. Notice how flawless the face is? Who's looking at her arm?:shrug:

But models are supposed to be the epitome of perfection. She has a ghastly 7 in scar on her arm. She didn't hide it either.

 

[Oli]

Beauty has an aesthetic value which is objective from personal preference.

Objective from personal preference?
Do you mean subjective?

 

[Bells]

No but I bet you don't find him ugly.

Ugly? No.

Then again, I always find it difficult to find 'ugliness' in people.

 

[takandjive]

Scars are a preference. If they're not creating an irregularity on an "important" place like the face or genitals, something that sends off a signal in our brains that says, "Fast one! Fast one!", then it's merely a preference. It establishes the person as "unique." Hey, I'm no better or different. What Lucy is saying is that no one thinks a partner with horrible burn scars on their face is the ideal.

I believe very strongly that loving someone may make them the most beautiful person in the world, but I also can be objective enough to know what's ideal and what's beautiful on a purely physical level. We can go, "Well, that's only PRETTY, and the only real beauty is love and peace and order," but can we be real for thirty seconds?

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Orleander: But models are supposed to be the epitome of perfection. She has a ghastly 7 in scar on her arm. She didn't hide it either.

she didn't need to. She's still beautiful with or without the scars. Why? Because she's beautiful. If the scar ran directly across her face she wouldn't be in that picture.

Oli: Objective from personal preference?
Do you mean subjective?

Objective.

Bells: Then again, I always find it difficult to find 'ugliness' in people.

This has nothing to do with what is 'in' people. This isn't about whether they are nice or have a sunny disposition and plant lavender in spring. This is about the physical feature and I am sure you haven't gone through your life and not looked at someone and thought 'that person is really quite ugly'. Or seen something and thought 'wow that is really an ugly object'.

Talkandjive: We can go, "Well, that's only PRETTY, and the only real beauty is love and peace and order," but can we be real for thirty seconds?

Here, here talkandjive. I agree completely.

 

[Oli]

Oli: Objective from personal preference?
Do you mean subjective?
Objective.

So I'm lying when I say I don't consider those women to be beautiful?