Empirical Evidence of God

[akoreamerican]

yes that question is unanswered but that's how it always is, isnt it?

 

[Capracus]

yes that question is unanswered but that's how it always is, isnt it?

But they’re the kind of questions that left unanswered preclude the definite presumption of what created what.

 

[akoreamerican]

But they’re the kind of questions that left unanswered preclude the definite presumption of what created what.

It's probably not for us mortals, yet

 

[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

To my knowledge no one has satisfactorily answered what created us. The individual partials that make up our bodies. If you can't answer that don't you dare say there is no God

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Until some god gets up the courage to come out of hiding & show itself, do not say there is a god.

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[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

what is the reason for this conclusion? Because it seems to me that since we exist, since the universe exist there must be someone, something that created what exists. You would have to believe that if you believe in cause and effect

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what is the reason for this conclusion? Because it seems to me that since we exist, since the god exists there must be someone, something that created what exists. You would have to believe that if you believe in cause and effect

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[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

You can't say it does not exist just because you can't explain it. That is not science

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You can't say god does exist just because you can't explain things. That is not science

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[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

Are you saying the universe does not need a creator? That it sprang out by itself?

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Are you saying the god does not need a creator? That it sprang out by itself?

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[akoreamerican]

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what is the reason for this conclusion? Because it seems to me that since we exist, since the god exists there must be someone, something that created what exists. You would have to believe that if you believe in cause and effect

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You seem to be smoking something at the moment, I suggest you enjoy the moment and not get yourself all rattled up.

 

[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

You seem to be smoking something at the moment, I suggest you enjoy the moment and not get yourself all rattled up.

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Your eyes are glazed. Have you been eating donuts?

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[akoreamerican]

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Your eyes are glazed. Have you been eating donuts?

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Do you claim to have clairvoyance? Cause I'm ignoring you now

 

[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

The evidence is us, it is our existence. The evidence is the existence of the universe

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God is the evidence of its creator.

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[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

Do you claim to have clairvoyance? Cause I'm ignoring you now

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If that is what you need rather than answer or admit you cannot answer.

You would need some psychic power to know there is a god.

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[akoreamerican]

You seem to be fixated on me for some reason. Please calm down

 

[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

You seem to be fixated on me for some reason. Please calm down

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I do not seem to be fixated on you outside of your dreamworld.

Why is it that theists imagine atheists are angry or rattled or need to calm down.

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[akoreamerican]

going to sleep bye

 

[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

going to sleep bye

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You are asleep. WAKE UP!

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[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

 

[Write4U]

If a god and the universe were the same, then what created the god/universe?

God and the universe obviously are not the same. The chronology does not match the equation.
There is only one acceptable definition which answers the question of creation without invoking a magical sentience. Or if you wish can indeed be equated to the definition of God, but without the added baggage of "sentience".

The definition of Potential in its most fundamental form is; "That which may become reality".
It satisfies all requirements of a precondition to creation.
It is the "common denominator" of all things, past, present, and future, in that it always precedes reality in every form even if we assume a multiverse.

 

[Write4U]

You seem to be fixated on me for some reason. Please calm down

Don't resort to such meaningless remarks. It comes close to ad hominem.

 

[Capracus]

God and the universe obviously are not the same. The chronology does not match the equation.

I don’t think there’s anything obvious about the ultimate nature or preconditions of our universe or gods. For all we know our universe could be a god’s left testicle or ovary.

The definition of Potential in its most fundamental form is; "That which may become reality".
It satisfies all requirements of a precondition to creation.
It is the "common denominator" of all things, past, present, and future, in that it always precedes reality in every form even if we assume a multiverse.

I don’t see the point in making a distinction between that which may become reality and reality itself. Reality is that which exists, regardless of its conditional form.