Does capitalism work?

Does capitalism work?

  • Yes

    Votes: 76 62.8%

  • No

    Votes: 45 37.2%
  • Total voters
    121
lixluke said:
1. Humans are entitled to everything they need to fulfill their triangle of life. The triangle of life is personal care, personal administration, and personal development. People must have a clean city environment and living space to exist. They must have all the proper amenities to take care of themselves. They must be free from harassment. They have the right to privacy, property ownership. Humans require a set of services to maintain a lifestyle in which they can develop themselves freely. They must have access to high levels of education, and centers in which they can pursue the maximum physiological functioning of their bodies. The have the right to be provided with food, natural remedies, and natural healing services that fulfills their physiological health.

4. Nobody has any obligation to anything. It is an entitlement.

5. Slave mentality is the mentality that wants to impose obligations on humans. It is an unnecessary obligation that only slaves desire because they are slaves. A truly brainwashed slave will not allow you to take of his shackles. In fact he will fight you sometimes to the death to keep his shackles.

6. A clear mind understands that freedom is freedom. Slavery is slavery. A slave mind considers slavery to be freedom. And freedom to be slavery. Ergo the burning desire to keep the shackles on.

7. The slave mentality is the reason everybody will argue with you to their graves about how people are obligated and that nobody deserves everything they need to fulfill their triangle of life.



11. Anybody that thinks creating jobs is a good thing is a jackass. The objective of technology is to reduce jobs, and increase free time for human development, and technological development. The more free time we have, the more we participate in developing ourselves and pursuing better technology. In a dysfunctional system, people have less free time. Most people use their free time to destroy themselves and destroy the environment. Any system that creates jobs is severely dysfunctional. THE PURPOSE OF TECHNOLOGY IS TO ELIMINATE JOBS.
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swivel said:
For some reason you seem to want everyone equally rewarded for unequal effort.
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Lixluke,

I want to know why I should shed the shackles of slavery imposed by capitalism, for the shackles imposed by the entitlement of the triangle of life.

And although you never directly say equal reward for unequal effort, it certainly is implied and indirectly stated when you state that humans are entitled to the triangle of life and state that nobody has any obligatin to anything.

Yet that is where I am confused about why I should accept the slavery imposed by the entitlements because wouldn't individuals be obligated to work to provide the entitlements? If enough individuals decided to do nothing as they are not obligated to do anything, how am I to recieve my entitlement to the triangle of life?

And isn't pursuing better technology a job? You say that eliminating technology should reduce jobs, but then turn it around and say that the objective of technology is to reduce jobs hence freeing up time to pursue technology--you seem to trade one job for another job.


I am just really confused.:confused: Stupid slave mentality.:(
 
lixluke said:
I would like to see anybody try to define human nature, and prove it with hard evidence.
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DISPROVE IT!


HAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Anyway.. one cannot prove nor disprove a definition. One can, however, prove or disprove whether a definition applies to a particular situation or not.

Ok. Just ignore this.
 
lixluke said:
I would like to see anybody try to define human nature, and prove it with hard evidence.
Furthermore, discontinue arguing misinterpretations. When you misinterpret something, and argue the misinterpretation, you are arguing nothing.
Hence the mindless rant by swivel about "you seem to want everyone equally rewarded for unequal effort" when nobody ever stated it. What a waste of time.

Comparing communism to capitslism is like comparing retards and parapalegics. It's pointless. In fact, compare them all you want. The facts still remain.
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What 'system' do you prefer then, above capitalism? Maybe you already posted it but I can't be bothered looking though all the previous pages.
 
"I want to know why I should shed the shackles of slavery imposed by capitalism, for the shackles imposed by the entitlement of the triangle of life."
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Because the oblogation is part of being human whether rich, poor, incarcerated, slave, president, celebrity. All huans are obligated to personal care.




"nd although you never directly say equal reward for unequal effort, it certainly is implied and indirectly stated when you state that humans are entitled to the triangle of life and state that nobody has any obligatin to anything."
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Only an idiot with no life would make such an implication.




"wouldn't individuals be obligated to work to provide the entitlements?"
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I have already stated that nobody is obligated. An obligtion is not a choice. Freedom is the choice.




"Yet that is where I am confused about why I should accept the slavery imposed by the entitlements"
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You do not know what real freedom is and what real slavery is. The fact that a person has the ability to think for themselves and freedom to choose what they want to do is freedom.

Preventing people from thinking for themselves and imposing obligations on people is slavery. The slave mentality always not sometimes always wants more jobs. I'm a slave give me a job. And they will stop at nothing to keep an institution that forces them to do the work so the rich do not have to lift a finger.




"If enough individuals decided to do nothing as they are not obligated to do anything, how am I to recieve my entitlement to the triangle of life?"
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You don't.




"And isn't pursuing better technology a job?"
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"You say that eliminating technology should reduce jobs"
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Learn how to read.
Since when does saying 'technology reduces jobs' = 'eliminating technology should reduce jobs'??




"but then turn it around and say that the objective of technology is to reduce jobs hence freeing up time to pursue technology--you seem to trade one job for another job."
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You seem to have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Lixluke,

Thanks for answering the questions I had. I am still confused, stupid, stupid slave mentality. Oh well.

The last question that I had should have been:

You said that technology eliminates jobs, but then seem to turn it around and say that it frees up time to pursue technology--isn't that trading one job for another job?
 
Does capitalism work? Yes - for the corporate entity, but not for the human.

The great problem with 'capitalism,' as opposed to a permaculturally-viable form of natural capitalism, is the commodity fetishism which reduces the human to the level of an inanimate object. Short-term profit does not mean long-term success.
 
To those who claim that capitalism does not work:
  • Do you know of any major nation which had a capitalistic system since circa 1890 to 1925?
For perhaps 100 to 200 years ending about 1915 to 1935, England & the US had a fair approximation to capitalism. In particular, the US did not have a colonial empire, making it truly a stand alone capitalist system.

Comparing before and after, capitalism did a damn good job of improving the life of the average person in the US & England.

The only successful socialist/communist systems seem to be Scandanavian countries (and perhaps Switzerland) who had decent living conditins for the average person before they developed into socialist/communist nations. Guess how they became decent places for the average person? Gee whiz, they basically had a capitalist system based on a strong work ethic.
 
I'm not saying capitalism doesn't work - rather that it will not be successful until it recognises respect for human nature and the environment as its core values.
 
Capitalism does work, but with painful flaws:

1. One of the biggest problems with capitalism is that, because control of the means of producing economic goods in a society resides in the hands of those who invest their capital for production, capital (The money or wealth needed to produce goods and services) has to accumulate before a nation becomes prosperous. This process could take years or even decades before capital has accumulated to an extent to where the masses can harness this capital.

2. Another problematic situation with capitalism: corporations are ruled by individual managers, who take part of the money of the workers, therefore exploiting the workers. :mad: :mad: You Might say that the manager is working harder than everyone else, but who's producing the products of the masses' everyday consumption? It's the worker, or, more known as, the proletariat.

3. Since Capitalism is an economic theory which stresses that control of the means of producing economic goods in a society should reside in the hands of those who invest the capital for production, & private ownership, this concentrates the means of production to rich people. What results is a modern form of Feudalism, since the means of production is concentrated to a small segment of society.

4. This is the worst problem with Capitalism:Since power is concentrated to an individual in a company, The person becomes corrupt.

In what way does a manager/CEO, become corrupt?

Lord Acton once said, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". This principle not only exists in the political world; it also exists in the economic & social world.

A manager/CEO is the one who benifits the most out of a company, because, when the people buy a manager/CEO's products, this goes to his/her account. Because of all the money a manager/CEO rakes in, PROFIT BECOMES THE ONLY MOTIVE IN BUSINESS DECISIONS. This leads us as a species to do some very odd things. Here's an example: let's just say that humans developed the technology to totally wipe out the AIDS plague. However, we refuse to use it, because our capitalist mentality insists that every person taking a medication must pay equally for it. It does not matter that the cost would be trivial to produce the medication to wipe out the plague now that the difficult work of developing the drugs has been done. Further, we don't wipe out AIDS because that would be unprofitable. Maximum profit demands keeping the virus around infecting new customers. And finally we don't wipe out AIDS because we don't have a way of allocating costs of projects that benefit every world citizen. We have spent about 4 billion on researching new AIDS treatments but only 0.1 billion on finding a vaccine to prevent new infections.

Other examples of profit becoming the only motive in business decisions can be the McLibel case (look it up on wikipedia)
 
Dinosaur said:
The only successful socialist/communist systems seem to be Scandanavian countries (and perhaps Switzerland) who had decent living conditins for the average person before they developed into socialist/communist nations.
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Actually finland was a pisspoor country with abysmal living conditions.
 
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