Does capitalism work?

Does capitalism work?

  • Yes

    Votes: 76 62.8%
  • No

    Votes: 45 37.2%

  • Total voters
    121
FACT
1. Might makes right means that all capitalism and laws rely on the rich to manipulate them for higher profit. The poor are but slaves with NO rights unless the rich say so.

Prove it. So far you have done a bad job of this. Why not do this: make a list and number all your premises. Then, show your logic in making this conclusion. We'll debate each questionable premise and even the logic.

2. All humans labor so that the rich do not have to lift a finger.

Lies. Bill Gates has done more for Microsoft than any person working there.

3. If a rich person steals money from a poor person. Then CS goes up to the rich person, and steals money from the rich person so he doesn't have to lift a finger: This does not mean that CS is going up to poor people, and stealing their money.

Give examples of the rich stealing from the poor. Real life examples. Then, you must show it happens more often than it does not. Unbias statistics, perhaps. I will then believe number 3.
 
"Prove it."
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Get real.


"Lies. Bill Gates has done more for Microsoft than any person working there."
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Wrong.
"Prove it." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
 
"Prove it."
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Get real.

What the fuck good is you soup box communism that will solve all of our problems if you won't bother giving serious thought into treating us all like humans that question your statements? We ask you questions and critique some of your facts and you return with "idiot" or "get real."


"Lies. Bill Gates has done more for Microsoft than any person working there."
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Wrong.
"Prove it." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

He was smart enough to go to Harvard. He had the balls to drop out of Harvard to start a business. He nearly failed. Later on, he created thousands of jobs and he gives more to charity than any man alive.
 
So you admit that he is a total leech.

Ok then asshat. Should everyone go into business for themselves and hire no one to help get things done? If I need 10 people to dig a big ass hole in the back of wesmorris's yard to bury you and other likeminds in it, should I have to call 10 different people? If I collect $1,000 for the work from wesmorris, should I pay each guy $100 and I get nothing since my only job is to find work for other people? Surely I would help dig the hole if I have time. but just assume my only job, 8 hours a day, is to find more work for people.

People get a portion of the money made by others because the first person generally provides the work for them. It's not like I find a guy building a deck for his neighbor and I come by asking for 10% of his pay. I did nothing for him and he is doing nothing for me. On the other hand, if I gave this guy the job and I constantly do on a weekly basis, then I feel (and he feels) that if he wants to get more labor from me, he should pay me a portion. Otherwise, what is my incentive to give him work if I get nothing out of it?

People like Bill Gates constantly make big picture decisions that affect the company's lifespan, how much money it pulls in, and most importantly other people's jobs and lives. If I make a decision that pulls in an extra $10 million and creates 100 new jobs, I think I am entitled to collect a reward from that. If not, why should I do anything? Whether I work hard or not, I'll get the same outcome... no reward.
 
Well he is close. I was trying to find statistics online and a few contradicted eachother. Either way, he gives a shit load of money..

i think the figures(not entirely sure) would show that his foundation gives the most money to charity not himself. a while back someone gave most of his fortune to the foundation, upwards of 15mil i think
 
Ok then asshat. Should everyone go into business for themselves and hire no one to help get things done? If I need 10 people to dig a big ass hole in the back of wesmorris's yard to bury you and other likeminds in it, should I have to call 10 different people? If I collect $1,000 for the work from wesmorris, should I pay each guy $100 and I get nothing since my only job is to find work for other people? Surely I would help dig the hole if I have time. but just assume my only job, 8 hours a day, is to find more work for people.

People get a portion of the money made by others because the first person generally provides the work for them. It's not like I find a guy building a deck for his neighbor and I come by asking for 10% of his pay. I did nothing for him and he is doing nothing for me. On the other hand, if I gave this guy the job and I constantly do on a weekly basis, then I feel (and he feels) that if he wants to get more labor from me, he should pay me a portion. Otherwise, what is my incentive to give him work if I get nothing out of it?

People like Bill Gates constantly make big picture decisions that affect the company's lifespan, how much money it pulls in, and most importantly other people's jobs and lives. If I make a decision that pulls in an extra $10 million and creates 100 new jobs, I think I am entitled to collect a reward from that. If not, why should I do anything? Whether I work hard or not, I'll get the same outcome... no reward.
Scumbags like Billy Gates have no right to do anything. He only oppresses others because of our flawed crappytalist system that allows the rich to oppress the poor. And you already admitted that he creates work. Nobody should be rewarded for creating work retard.
 
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Nobody should be rewarded for creating work retard.

You should make a file on your political philosophy and give us a link, because your posts just confuse the hell out of me, while fascinating me at the same time. I'm sure you won't though.
 
You should make a file on your political philosophy and give us a link, because your posts just confuse the hell out of me, while fascinating me at the same time. I'm sure you won't though.

He's confusing me and he offers little support for his claims. He's told me the same statements over and over without offering evidence or reasoning. I'm about to give up on this thread and just assume CS answered all of my questions in a way that pleases me. He probably refuses to answer them because he is probably hiding some deep infatuation with capitalism, he just does not want to slip up and show us. He likes looking at himself as the extemist that will save the world.
 
It's true that Microsoft has an oppressive policy against competition...

*shrug*
This is the only oppression I can really see. Although I don't see the use of having billions of dollars sitting in a bank account...
 
He's confusing me and he offers little support for his claims. He's told me the same statements over and over without offering evidence or reasoning.

Agreed. I have a feeling I'm not going to learn much about capitalism, communism, or anything in between from this thread. :confused:
 
You should make a file on your political philosophy and give us a link, because your posts just confuse the hell out of me, while fascinating me at the same time. I'm sure you won't though.
Should we thank Bill Gates and other rich friends?
Saying you should thank Bill Gates is like saying you should thank the siphonophora for attaching itself to your face.
 
Did you guys know Gates is only leaving .01-.001%(can't remember which one) of his furtune to his kids? The rest is being donated to charitable orginizations.
 
You should make a file on your political philosophy and give us a link, because your posts just confuse the hell out of me, while fascinating me at the same time. I'm sure you won't though.
1. Humans are entitled to everything they need to fulfill their triangle of life. The triangle of life is personal care, personal administration, and personal development. People must have a clean city environment and living space to exist. They must have all the proper amenities to take care of themselves. They must be free from harassment. They have the right to privacy, property ownership. Humans require a set of services to maintain a lifestyle in which they can develop themselves freely. They must have access to high levels of education, and centers in which they can pursue the maximum physiological functioning of their bodies. The have the right to be provided with food, natural remedies, and natural healing services that fulfills their physiological health.

2. The earth has 3 types under economics. Capitalism, communism, and other such moronic ideas are worthless under real economic principals. Destruction, life support, and healing. Just like any disease.
A. An economy destroying the earth.
B. An economy keeping earth at a specific dependent condition so that it continually relies on medication. Thereby the medicators hold the power over the planet.
C. An economy with he purpose of healing and nurturing the planet.

Any person can call any economic system "functioning". Whether dictatorship or democracy. But really, an objective method of measuring "functioning" must be related to the degree the system accomplishes C.

4. Nobody has any obligation to anything. It is an entitlement.

5. Slave mentality is the mentality that wants to impose obligations on humans. It is an unnecessary obligation that only slaves desire because they are slaves. A truly brainwashed slave will not allow you to take of his shackles. In fact he will fight you sometimes to the death to keep his shackles.

6. A clear mind understands that freedom is freedom. Slavery is slavery. A slave mind considers slavery to be freedom. And freedom to be slavery. Ergo the burning desire to keep the shackles on.

7. The slave mentality is the reason everybody will argue with you to their graves about how people are obligated and that nobody deserves everything they need to fulfill their triangle of life.

8. There are 2 methods of healing, and a third important factor. Natural healing using natural treatments. Then there is pharmaceutical healing. The third important factor is personal care. If the human does not put things in their body or participate in activities that cause physiological problems, there is less to heal. A tremendous amount of medication is used to medicate people so that they may continue participating in damaging behavior. They only take medicine so that they can continue to partake in damaging behavior.

9. Controlling the thoughts, emotions, and actions does not mean you are a robot. Any system that does not promote thinking for yourself is a dictatorship. Any system that promotes thinking for yourself is the a free system. The lack of control over thoughts, feelings, and actions means you are a robot. Humans fear personal control because they feel they will turn into cold robots. The fact is, the less control they have over themselves, the more automatic they are.

10. There are 2 measurements of a "functioning" economy that compliment one another. The first is the healing of the earth. The better earth is taken care of, the better off all of society is. The second is the complete state of the individual. The higher the population of high state individuals, the more functioning the economy. A high state individual is one with high level of physiological health. Providing people with access to all of the proper amenities to develop themselves is actually more cost effective than not doing so. When a person does not have access to methods of personal development, they become sick, dumb, and out of control. Taking care of them is all the more difficult.

11. Anybody that thinks creating jobs is a good thing is a jackass. The objective of technology is to reduce jobs, and increase free time for human development, and technological development. The more free time we have, the more we participate in developing ourselves and pursuing better technology. In a dysfunctional system, people have less free time. Most people use their free time to destroy themselves and destroy the environment. Any system that creates jobs is severely dysfunctional. THE PURPOSE OF TECHNOLOGY IS TO ELIMINATE JOBS.

12. Apologism is the slave meme. The slave meme states views a clearly solvable problem, and states that it is impossible to solve it. The slave meme is about impossibility. The slave meme thinks in speculations about why things will NEVER work instead of solutions to various problems. The slave meme is not practical. It is a brainwashed mentality. They are programmed to make everything impossible so they cannot go beyond the mental shackles that bind them. You can present an easily solvable problem to a slave, and their brain will not function on how to solve the problem. Their brain only functions to come up with excuses about not why the solutions might need to be altered, but excuses about how the problem will NEVER EVER EVER be solved no matter what. This is how brainwashed slaves think. Slaves do not think in logic. They think in speculations. Not rational speculations, but speculations that will come up with every possible reason why a problem cannot be solved.

13. City design is always evolving. The people that believe I always have to have complete city designs that will solve all of earth’s problems are assholes. The only thing I can do is design as best I can. I cannot know how well the designs will work until they are tested. As we test designs, we can deal with problems, and find solutions. I have created city designs for the planet that can accommodate the human population smoothly. Of course we can never know if it will work until it is tested.

A brainwashed Slave Meme individual cannot be consulted because they do not speak with rationality. They simply argue at any method of solving problems no matter what so that they can hold on to the shackles they are comfortable with. The only way to have a rational discussion is with anybody that understands the problem, and understands that the problem needs to be solved. Not anybody that makes excuses for the problem, and does not even consider it a problem. Slaves accept problems as a fact of life they can do nothing about. And they call them selves realists because they have this idiotic attitude. Real realists have a more realistic view because they approach problems as unacceptable and are ready and willing to take action to solve them.
 
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