Does capitalism work?

Does capitalism work?

  • Yes

    Votes: 76 62.8%
  • No

    Votes: 45 37.2%

  • Total voters
    121
13. City design... The only thing I can do is design as best I can. I cannot know how well the designs will work until they are tested. As we test designs, we can deal with problems, and find solutions.

So you think that architects and engineers design buildings, then build them to check to see if they work or not???

The design process is an attempt to foresee any and all problems that might exist with the design and construction. If someone sees something wrong with the design, they don't just bitch n' moan, then build it anyway!!

I've pointed out several of the flaws in your "city designs", yet you've not addressed them at all .....other than to call me an asshole or other derogatory term. You make claims of knowing how to make a new world, a new city work, yet a few simple questions make you rant n' rave and turn to name-calling.

No, Lixluke, I don't welcome you back!

Baron Max
 
13. City design is always evolving. The people that believe I always have to have complete city designs that will solve all of earth’s problems are assholes. The only thing I can do is design as best I can. I cannot know how well the designs will work until they are tested. As we test designs, we can deal with problems, and find solutions. I have created city designs for the planet that can accommodate the human population smoothly. Of course we can never know if it will work until it is tested.

I thought you were an expert in city design.
 
So you think that architects and engineers design buildings, then build them to check to see if they work or not???

The design process is an attempt to foresee any and all problems that might exist with the design and construction. If someone sees something wrong with the design, they don't just bitch n' moan, then build it anyway!!
No kidding. There are rational flaws and irrational flaws.
You have pointed out nothing that has any relevance.
 
You have pointed out nothing that has any relevance.

Hmm, I didn't point it out, you did! I was just responding to what you pointed out and attempted to show your flawed thinking.

But then, ...we should all know by now that nothing you post is flawed thinking ...since you know all, see all, hear all and can do all. You're THE MAN!! Anyone who doesn't worship you should be taken out and shot.

Baron Max
 
Hmm, I didn't point it out, you did! I was just responding to what you pointed out and attempted to show your flawed thinking.

But then, ...we should all know by now that nothing you post is flawed thinking ...since you know all, see all, hear all and can do all. You're THE MAN!! Anyone who doesn't worship you should be taken out and shot.

Baron Max
Boo hoo. Are you done crying and throwing tantrums?
 
Boo hoo. Are you done crying and throwing tantrums?

I wasn't throwing a tantrum, I was worshipping your greatness and superb intellect ....and if I could see your body, I'm sure that it's in perfect shape and well-toned and muscular. No, no tantrum ....pure, unadulterated worship and undying admiration.

Baron Max, your devoted follower and worshipper.
 
Scumbags like Billy Gates have no right to do anything. He only oppresses others because of our flawed crappytalist system that allows the rich to oppress the poor. And you already admitted that he creates work. Nobody should be rewarded for creating work retard.

The poor will always appear oppressed in every political and economic system. The fact that they exist seems to belie a problem somewhere. It is like the anthropic fallacy. Humans exist, and then we wonder how perfect the universe is that allows such a fact.

The problem with your arguments, which all seem to hinge on the plight of the poor, is that every single economic system in history has had a huge population of the poor and wretched. You need to find something that DIFFERS between these systems to show how one is inferior to another.

From where I sit, it seems to me that the poor in a capitalist system have it much better than the Russian communist poor, where 200 million or so people starved to death. Those are real people, even though the hugeness of that number almost makes it impossible to grasp the horror. As a matter of fact, I would posit that starvation rates would be as good an indicator of economic success as anything else. The reason is simple, if you are at various levels of poverty, your base need for sustenance will always prevail. It will be the last thing you go without.

When the United States played around with planned economies from ~1920-40 saw the largest rates of starvation here. The divergence away from capitalism literally starved people to death. Without even looking at the statistics, but having seen enough graphs and charts in my weekly Economists, I can tell you that capitalism succeeds in feeding its members better than any other system of economics ever devised.

Does it create absolute equality? No. And that is the crux for you and the anti-meritocratic. For some reason you seem to want everyone equally rewarded for unequal effort. The bizarre thing is that this seems morally justifiable to you somehow. Richness and Poorness seems arbitrary and unfair, rather than seeing how many people work their butts off for rewards, and how many sit around doing nothing and gaining little.

Finally, and perhaps the best measure of an economic system's worth is to look at the flow of people into and out of various economic entities. Capitalist countries have a need for walls to keep immigrants out, while socialist and communist countries have always had a problem erecting walls to keep emigrants IN their countries. Vietnam, Russia, Cuba, Mexico, China, and East Berlin all come immediately to mind. It is hard to argue with the fact that people risk their lives to get OUT of one system and again risk them to get INTO another.

Oh... but I'm sure all these people are morons, and you know what is best for them, and if only everyone would adopt all of your sensibilities the universe would be a gloriously noble place. :)
 
The poor will always appear oppressed in every political and economic system. The fact that they exist seems to belie a problem somewhere. It is like the anthropic fallacy. Humans exist, and then we wonder how perfect the universe is that allows such a fact.

The problem with your arguments, which all seem to hinge on the plight of the poor, is that every single economic system in history has had a huge population of the poor and wretched. You need to find something that DIFFERS between these systems to show how one is inferior to another.

From where I sit, it seems to me that the poor in a capitalist system have it much better than the Russian communist poor, where 200 million or so people starved to death. Those are real people, even though the hugeness of that number almost makes it impossible to grasp the horror. As a matter of fact, I would posit that starvation rates would be as good an indicator of economic success as anything else. The reason is simple, if you are at various levels of poverty, your base need for sustenance will always prevail. It will be the last thing you go without.

When the United States played around with planned economies from ~1920-40 saw the largest rates of starvation here. The divergence away from capitalism literally starved people to death. Without even looking at the statistics, but having seen enough graphs and charts in my weekly Economists, I can tell you that capitalism succeeds in feeding its members better than any other system of economics ever devised.

Does it create absolute equality? No. And that is the crux for you and the anti-meritocratic. For some reason you seem to want everyone equally rewarded for unequal effort. The bizarre thing is that this seems morally justifiable to you somehow. Richness and Poorness seems arbitrary and unfair, rather than seeing how many people work their butts off for rewards, and how many sit around doing nothing and gaining little.

Finally, and perhaps the best measure of an economic system's worth is to look at the flow of people into and out of various economic entities. Capitalist countries have a need for walls to keep immigrants out, while socialist and communist countries have always had a problem erecting walls to keep emigrants IN their countries. Vietnam, Russia, Cuba, Mexico, China, and East Berlin all come immediately to mind. It is hard to argue with the fact that people risk their lives to get OUT of one system and again risk them to get INTO another.

Oh... but I'm sure all these people are morons, and you know what is best for them, and if only everyone would adopt all of your sensibilities the universe would be a gloriously noble place. :)
Worthless drivel.

1. Nothing you say has is in the least bit realistic.
2. Everything you say has no basis.
3. You don't even know what equally rewarded for equal effort means. By the way, I would love for any presumptuous asshole that assumes "you seem to want everyone equally rewarded for unequal effort" to show me where I ever stated that.
4. You do not know what capitalism is.
5. Nothing you say changes the facts presented.

Worthless drivel. Get lost.
 
When it is not some rant such as "it is falwed because of human nature"
Whatever that slave meme religion is that constantly portrays human nature as something that has nothing to do with human nature is not an argument. It has no basis in logic. Yet it is all fanatical slaves use.
 
All Hail Lixluke ....Knower of all things, Intellectual Giant of the Earth, Expert in all things human and otherwise, ......

And he spends time here at sciforums?? Why would such a superior being spend time with us lowly, uneducated, ignorant, unwashed peasants?

Baron Max
 
When it is not some rant such as "it is falwed because of human nature"
Whatever that slave meme religion is that constantly portrays human nature as something that has nothing to do with human nature is not an argument. It has no basis in logic. Yet it is all fanatical slaves use.

What is human nature?
Is it something other than what history, nature, science and experience reveal it to be?
 
Human nature is, like the rest of nature: the strong survive, the weak die.

In essence capitalism is evolution at work.
 
I would like to see anybody try to define human nature, and prove it with hard evidence.
Furthermore, discontinue arguing misinterpretations. When you misinterpret something, and argue the misinterpretation, you are arguing nothing.
Hence the mindless rant by swivel about "you seem to want everyone equally rewarded for unequal effort" when nobody ever stated it. What a waste of time.

Comparing communism to capitslism is like comparing retards and parapalegics. It's pointless. In fact, compare them all you want. The facts still remain.
 
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