You truly are a total moron. Just because you cannot fill a single one of those EASY MORONIC requirements does not mean anybody else cannot fill all of them and more witht their eyes closed and hands tied behind their back. You are a total dumb pea brained retard from the planet fool.
Does capitalism work?
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A country that closes its borders and is xenophobic, self-sustaining... doesn't do business with anyone outside - period.
The point being that picking cotton or whatever would most likely pay more were it not for the whole "cheap labor from mexico" thing. We allow our labor to be imported because it's cheap. We buy push manufacturing jobs over seas because it's cheaper...
So lixdix's "should be" decress would be far more likely a natural result of capitalism were "true first world countries" necessarily isolationist and unable to take advantage of cheap foreign labor.
Then again, the cheap foregn labor wouldn't do the work were it not better pay than they could get elsewhere. It would follow that in the long term all current foregn sources of cheap labor will increase in their "world count" (1st world, etc.) over the long term, as they're slowing sucking up the wealth of the other countries, a smidge at a time.
The only reason foreign labor is cheap is because American terrorists do not allow them to use their own resources for themselves. They create false debts, and impose sanctions and payments that prevent them from doing anything free.
Their labor is ours. Their resources are ours. Not because they cannot do things on their own, but because we make sure their labor and resources are ours with our big guns. The USA along with the axis of evil USA/England/Israel are the source of global poverty throughout the earth.
Their labor is ours. Their resources are ours. Not because they cannot do things on their own, but because we make sure their labor and resources are ours with our big guns. The USA along with the axis of evil USA/England/Israel are the source of global poverty throughout the earth.
The company desires the office job more than the janitor job, because the guy in the office produces more value for the company than the janitor does.
Hence office guy gets paid more.
Incentive is for level headed people such as myself who work hard in the lower jobs to move up for more pay.
In your system, people like myself would work my way DOWN the system to make more money. First I start out as a CEO because hell, it pays the least and no one wants it. Next, I am a regional manager. After that, a store manager. Then, an assisant manager. Next, hourly supervisor. Of all this experience I built up, I think I can be a shelf stocker! Hell, I cannot wait until I am cleaning shit out of a toilet!
It's working your way UP through hard work that produces results. What is the incentive for moving up from shelf stocker to hourly supervisor? I got the same shit I hear from you when it happened to me. I was a shelf stocker for one year at my first ever "real job." After that year, I was promoted from level 3 to level 7, an hourly supervisor. I got complaints from people I used to work with stocking shelves. "I worked here longer." "He's still new!" "The managers are unfair." "He kisses asses." "I work harder than he does." All the excuses.. all of them bad. 1) Working longer doesn't imply promotion. 2) So what if I am "new?" I knew more about the store than most of them did. 3) The managers work in the interest of the store, not to make your crying stop 4) I don't kiss ass. 5) BS they worked harder than me. Clockout time for us was 8 pm... I was struggling to clock out by 8:30 most days. I took shorter lunches and I busted people's balls for being slow and taking super-long smoke breaks. When asked to stay longer, I was always willing to do so. Not for the store, but for myself to make my work easier the next day.
The system works... you just fail.
What you talk about is socialism.. which looks great on paper, but in practice it's a failure.
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phoenix2634
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No.
Andy should most definitely be paid more than either Mike or Joe.
Andy is responsible for hiring and training Mike and Joe. Andy is responsible for all aspects of running the business. If Andy fails to do his job, then Mike and Joe are out of a job.
The only thing Mike and Joe are responsible for is producing the goods or service.
ONLY AN IDIOT WOULD BELIEVE THAT ANDY IS SITTING AROUND DOING NO LABOR.
I would really like to see Cool Skill start a business, and pay himself $10,000 a year (since he does nothing) and pay his laborers the rest of the money. Hell, pay the janitor $40,000 a year. And he does more work than the truck driver.. so pay the truck driver $15,000.. he does only a little bit more than cool skill does.
Hi All
it has been good reading the comments...
Actually nowadays i put people off who want to run their won businesses, i dont think it is great at all. the level of responsiblity is very high and the amount of hours you put into work is obsene.... My wife is constantly on my back nowadays for working to long hours, which have actually got a little longer now, with the more posts i put up here!!!
To be honest i am thinking about somehow releasing my shares and resigning as the company director, so i can become a teacher or perhaps a programmer (like i used to do) as i am always worried...
When the business is going well i worry about acheiving our deadlines, when the business is a bit slow i worry about keeping my staff in jobs and getting new work in...
I work between 55 and 65 hours a week, could probably work more if it wasnt for my wife nagging so much... hey hey i have just worked it out, i pay myself approximately £10 - £13 per hour (not sure what that is in Dollars)depending on how many hours i do?? is it worth it, hell i could get paid that much for being an analyst or more for being a programmer, not even a high level programmer
Oh well it looks like i am the fool cool skill....
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take care
zak
it has been good reading the comments...
Actually nowadays i put people off who want to run their won businesses, i dont think it is great at all. the level of responsiblity is very high and the amount of hours you put into work is obsene.... My wife is constantly on my back nowadays for working to long hours, which have actually got a little longer now, with the more posts i put up here!!!
To be honest i am thinking about somehow releasing my shares and resigning as the company director, so i can become a teacher or perhaps a programmer (like i used to do) as i am always worried...
When the business is going well i worry about acheiving our deadlines, when the business is a bit slow i worry about keeping my staff in jobs and getting new work in...
I work between 55 and 65 hours a week, could probably work more if it wasnt for my wife nagging so much... hey hey i have just worked it out, i pay myself approximately £10 - £13 per hour (not sure what that is in Dollars)depending on how many hours i do?? is it worth it, hell i could get paid that much for being an analyst or more for being a programmer, not even a high level programmer
Oh well it looks like i am the fool cool skill....
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take care
zak
Why not you get out?
Andy is an idiot for the opposite reason. He should make Mike his Operations Manager, then learn to play golf.
Uh, I like it here? You don't, so go. Worse, you denigrate it beyond contempt. You're disgusting, and you should leave.
Everyone that I have known that runs their own business that has not failed has been a hard worker. They all put in at least 50 hours a week to it. A lady I do misc. work for puts in 60 hours a week (monday through saturday)... my friend's grandmother puts in about the same for a bikini shop she started... she used to have 3 but cound not find responsible managers (goes with what Wes said earlier), my uncle works full-time for a trucking company and puts another 30 hours into his business (he's always working in the middle of the night, along with weekends)... just a few people. They all do nothing according to CS.
In other words, you cannot answer my questions.
That's what I thought. What I'm wondering is what the hell lixluke think "isolationism" is...
He said he is against isolationism, which makes absolutely no sense considering the nature of his arguments....
Which is why I think he is a very confused boy....
It doesn't work that way. And here is why. The countries that have cheap labour have a very uneven income distribution in which a lot of people can barely survive and a few people have too much. On top of it, those poor people are taxed like hell and all the money they give to the government goes to pay huge debts which the government aquired to support the few people with money and power. So basically, those people are slaves of their government's debt. The reason why I am personally outraged about that kind of situation is that many of those governments were established by the west. Dictators all over the world were endorsed by the United States (and in some cases UK) to protect the west's interests. In turn, those few dictators the US put in power in those countries can enjoy an easy plentiful life with the debt they create for their people.
Examples of those dictators are Saddam Husseim (I hope you knew that), and other dictators from Indonesia, Chile, Brazil, South America in general (all the south american ones were during the cold war), all over Middle East and in some parts of Asia and Africa.
I think he talks about communism...
He have socialism in Canada, and it's nothing like lixluke's idea...
That's basically what I proposed...
I know somebody that gets paid a shitload of money and does absolutely nothing! The GOVERNOR GENERAL OF CANADA!!
Oh wait! No, he actually stamps papers!!!!!