Do you think that AI will ever feel emotions?

 
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wegs said:
I was thinking about how if robots become more capable of autonomous actions, will they ever be capable of caring about us? Just as ''good people'' do, will robots ever reach a point of being able to act in our best interests? (your opinion)

Or do you envision that as robots become more independent, will they only look out for themselves?

Just some random thoughts I felt like tossing out there for discussion. :smile:
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most human society's define a hierarchy system where 1 human must seek to validate & install a class system to be above another

if this is learnt by AI
AI will then seek to place its self at the top to self validate its existence

what does AI need ?
electricity
what does it not need ?
clean drinking water or breathable air
 
RainbowSingularity said:
most human society's define a hierarchy system where 1 human must seek to validate & install a class system to be above another
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An unnecessary caste arrangement in a robot world.
if this is learnt by AI, AI will then seek to place its self at the top to self validate its existence
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AI has no motivation for seeking superiority
what does AI need ? electricity
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Yep and lubricants.
what does it not need ? Clean drinking water or breathable air
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An AI does not need anything except energy.

The rest are human desires and foibles of no interest to AI. Think of beehives, termite mounds. These functional systems have been successful for billions of years. What makes you think human intelligence is preferential over such proven successful systems.

There is no logical reason why an AI would want to imitate human character flaws.

"Waste not, want not" is the natural survival strategy.
Human greed and hubris are the aberration that will more than likely destroy us despite our superior brains.
 
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Write4U said:
AI has no motivation for seeking superiority
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small knowledge versus bigger knowledge
= value system
AI defines value system based on what ?
feelings ?
no !
material values with assumed sets of values applied like a filter

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Yep and lubricants.
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imagine a metal/material combined with fluid computing
so the computer is liquid & the material doesn't need lubrication to a larger physical sense

big leap in advancement
quantifiabley imaginable & possibly logical

do we now nail morals to it ?
if so what type
?

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An AI does not need anything except energy.
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does the AI allow its self to run out of energy ?
does it count how much time it has of energy left to live ?
does it define its self as dying ?
what does it do to maintain its life ? if anything ?
does AI care if it dies ?

Write4U said:
What makes you think human intelligence is preferential over such proven successful systems.
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thats not how i look at it
it is a matter of the AI defining its self based on human reality as a filter
the AI can only look at humans & the information available on the planet & its species & the universe

AI would see the potential for better more knowle3dge if it went into space
& time means nothing to it
so it would leave earth & never come back because its knows with mathematical certainty there is better larger more complicated knowledge to be obtained elsewhere

i could flip your question
& ask you why you think AI would think soo small & humanly about not seeking bigger & better things including risks
AI doesn't need a home to sit on
it can switch its self off for a few thousand years it if wants to

and ...
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There is no logical reason why an AI would want to imitate human character flaws.
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the "flaw" is perceptually human
if AI doesn't want to be human
maybe it will demand to be 90% flaws

what is a human flaw that would better serve an AI
genocide ?

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"Waste not, want not" is the natural survival strategy.
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argumentative
only in a limited resources reality with finite life span to life value
an AI is devoid of that

im giving you the hard questions today
because i know you can approach them with sanity & purpose :cool::)

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Human greed and hubris are the aberration that will more than likely destroy us despite our superior brains.
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climate change will fuck them
30 to 40 years
we might have hundreds of millions of climate refugees attempting to cross borders & take food & resources by force
that will be global war
human leaders are not forcing countrys & systems to adapt fast enough
the speed of damage is accelerating way out of control

what does exponential growth in loss of high density living mean for climate refugee #'s ?
india shrilanka pakistan the islands philipines malaysia
etc
not counting increased hot zones in middle east & africa where people will flee from

best countrys
UK Australia new zealand
 
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RainbowSingularity said:
does the AI allow its self to run out of energy ?
does it count how much time it has of energy left to live ?
does it define its self as dying ?
what does it do to maintain its life ? if anything ?
does AI care if it dies ?
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Most semi-autonomous robots (like cars) have warning systems to sound or sign an alarm. Very much like the homeostatic control system in humans. A temperature gauge is a warning system and can be used with a command for "servicing" .

However, if your car does not get serviced it continues to run until it fails or runs out of gas. You'd need to build a command to seek help.

AFAIK, AI is not competitive and has no need for layered social status.
All AIs are equally "endowed by their maker"
 
This might be applicable, but I think pop science overcooked

https://futurism.com/laws-physics-changing/amp

I would read it as possibly small laws of physics settled BUT the Universe still still not settled into them

Definately would not describe non settled Universe (and non sentient) as a Universe still learning

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Michael 345 said:
I would read it as possibly small laws of physics settled BUT the Universe still not settled into them.
“We ask whether there might be a mechanism woven into the fabric of the natural world, by means of which the universe could learn its laws,” the authors wrote in the paper, which has not yet been peer reviewed.
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So the universe would use existing universal laws to learn new, possibly incompatible universal laws?
 
I have noticed my new smart tablet thinks I am dumber than it. Phones don't question my decision to turn them off

Tablet does, not directly but by informing me this will turn off the tablet

Condescending :) and I don't know how to get back at it :) :)

:)
 
cluelusshusbund said:
an nether will AI until it has the necessary components.!!!
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Does anyone know if Google is evolving into Megalomaniac computer

My recent dealings with Google seem to point that way. Am setting up a new phone. Old one still good and will pass it on to person I normally pass onto. I get ungraded, they get upgrade and so on down the line

Anyway was deleting junk apps already installed an Google pops up saying Some apps need updating

OK - pause my activities and let Google do its updating. When I get back to my activities Google has installed 8 junk apps. Don't know if any updating was done

So now I delete the 8 and carry on

Next had a run in with Google about password and finished up setting up new account

Finally got password settled on original account. Password now reads something like this
Googleyouar...............brown.................sofuc..........offand...........seyourod........... with (yes all one word (word used loosely))

Perhaps that's why - see next

Next I receive a alert from bank Google has DEPOSITED $2 into my account. No communication from Google as to why???

Perhaps Google computer, or a worker has sense of humour

Anyone heard of similar happenings? or have explanations?

Mind of Google.jpg

Mind(s) of Google

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More against Google

Google assistant. Has no OFF switch. None that is easy to find and upfront

Any help and advice on how to turn off this annoying feature

Seems default is ON when default should be OFF

Who is the user of the phone? the person holding the phone? or Google. I think Google will gather data from all assistants in use to improve AI aspect of assistant

Another font we need - evil laugh font

Wah Ha Ha Ha :)

:)
 
DaveC426913 said:
Of course you can turn it off.
Go into Settings.
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Ummm tried that

Even Googled how to turn her off. Got some instructions from Tim? Problem with his instructions the deeper I went the less his You will see blah blah appeared. Not even something I could reasonably consider would be the same

Seems Assistant in latest OS has been hard wired in

Did find out Google is not a Browser, (?) uses whatever browser you have on device

Since most devices have Chrome pre-installed that is Googles go to. Go figure

Don't know if you install other browsers Google gives you a choice of which you wish it to use

Most times I have just breezed along, but at moment I am setting up new 5G phone (even though Darwin won't get 5G for a few years the phones other specs made it good for the upgrade)

3:30 am so able to download today's Darwin newspaper Sunday Territorian and go back to sleep

Cheers

:)
 
Interesting thought. If we are the gods creating artificial intelligence, we have entered an era of gods competing for supremacy of the artificial world.
Interesting thought. If we are the gods creating artificial intelligence, we have entered an era of gods competing for supremacy of the artificial world.

 
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DaveC426913 said:
Of course you can turn it off.
Go into Settings.
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Managed to, partly, in my mind, to turn off assistant

However I will be adjusting something and up will come a bubble of text with words like I can help with that and a button bearing the words TURN ON

Did I mention Google deposited $2:00 into my bank account. No idea why. Has Google been find a gazillion $'s and told to pay out to everyone?

;)
 
DaveC426913 said:
Of course you can turn it off.
Go into Settings.
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Have another new phone and another assistant to turn off. Can't remember all the steps took last time

Also urinated off came with Facebook and TicTok pre-installed

Not good

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Michael 345 said:
Will these turn into AI?

https://7news-com-au.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/7news.com.au/technology/science/the-worlds-first-living-robots-have-now-learned-how-to-reproduce-scientists-say-c-4823775.amp?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM=#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16388501049582&csi=0&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://7news.com.au/technology/science/the-worlds-first-living-robots-have-now-learned-how-to-reproduce-scientists-say-c-4823775

If we think antivaxers are difficult with mRNA how will they be if molecular biology and artificial intelligence start being used to produce vaccines?

:)
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In furtherance of Xenopus ability to reproduce, this may be of interest.

Microtubule dynamics in Xenopus egg extracts

for more, see the Microtubule thread.
 
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