Do you believe god communicates with me?

[EmptyForceOfChi]

Hereis a part of the text from one of the links you provided.


The true meaning of “As-Salam Alaikum” is not a mere “Hi”, “Hello”, “How are you” as we are accustomed to using today – it has a much deeper meaning than just a standard greeting. In actuality, there are three meanings for this greeting:



1. As-Salam, as we know, is one of the names of Allah. Thus, when we say “As-Salam Alaikum” we are actually saying that may the trait of Allah (as-Salam or peace and tranquility) be upon you and may He protect you;



2. As-Salam is also in the meaning of submission or surrender. Thus, when we say “As-Salam Alaikum” we are actually saying that we submit to what you would like for us to do (obviously within the limits of the Shariah.);



3. As-Salam is also in the meaning of protection or safety. Thus in this meaning, when we greet another believer with “As-Salam Alaikum” we are actually guaranteeing our believing brother or sister protection from any evil from ourselves and that we will not do a single thing to harm them – either physically or even spiritually. Not only would we not harm them with our hands, but we will also not cause them grief with our tongue...


This is what i was referring too when i said it doesnt just mean simply "Peace be upon you"


peace.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

A person can be totally honest with you, and still be 100% wrong about something.

True if they themselves have been mis-slead and lied too. your right.


peace.

 

[gmilam]

This is what i was referring too when i said it doesnt just mean simply "Peace be upon you"


peace.

And, "a couple of other things". What a clown.

 

[spidergoat]

Yeah I should Verify more I have actualy become the most trusting in people I have ever been, ive turned into a little boy again or something .


But when I say As salam Alaikum to people I actualy mean it 100% I also expect them to do the same, I expect every muslim to be 100% honest with me all the time. But I like being like this trusting people it feels very nice but I do admit it leaves me very open to sneaky little decievers who might want to try and take advantage of my "Trust"


Peace.

You're part of the tribe now, your peeps would never do you wrong.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

And, "a couple of other things". What a clown.

What was the need for that? It does mean what I said it means.... Read point 3 from his own link that he provided to refute my own point.....

 

[Dywyddyr]

Hereis a part of the text from one of the links you provided.

None of which supports your claim that it means

it means "i will not lie to you" "I trust you will not lie to me"

Looks like someone's lied to you about that, too.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

You're part of the tribe now, your peeps would never do you wrong.

Heh. But if I say As salam Alaikum im bound by my own words to believe them I can't say As salam Alaikum and then just go against it.

What's the point of an Oath if you dont live up to it, living up to your words is very important and shows a mans true colours.

Like when I put peace at the bottom of my post it's not just some random word i actualy am wishing peace upon you.


Peace.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

None of which supports your claim that it means

Looks like someone's lied to you about that, too.

Please read point 3 of your own link. What do you think point 3 meansif not talking about lying?

 

[fedr808]

Well I don't think it's random, but lets trace back evolution and the universe to it's starting point, what caused the first effect?.

What useless crap is in your body?, i have heard people call many things in nature useless before but i don't see anything as pointless they might have reasons for existing that i don't understand.


Ask yourself a question, why are you alive?


peace.

Better question yet, why shouldn't I be alive?


Hatred

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

3. As-Salam is also in the meaning of protection or safety. Thus in this meaning, when we greet another believer with “As-Salam Alaikum” we are actually guaranteeing our believing brother or sister protection from any evil from ourselves and that we will not do a single thing to harm them – either physically or even spiritually. Not only would we not harm them with our hands, but we will also not cause them grief with our tongue...

 

[Dywyddyr]

Please read point 3 of your own link. What do you think point 3 meansif not taliing about lying?

You tell me.
Ever heard of Taqiyya or Kitman?

 

[birch]

Yeah a few people have used this same argument when talking to me in the past, but they didn't quite use the same props and characters.

Like those little russian dolls where one is inside another inside another. what do you call those dolls i forget?. But the same principle applies. I can't really argue against these things except by adding another doll or container to the picture, but then it would just go around in circles and end up back at square one.

My own logic can't even explain god to me yet i still believe, I Don't actualy have a choice in the matter.I actualy understand this now Faith isnt as simple as people make out. It isn't just faith in the unseen it is something more.

Even if i were to disprove everything in the bible and quran right now i couldn't force myself to become an atheist and i can't explain why. It'slike god forced me to believe in him and i have to deal with it.


peace.

that's the beauty of faith or a philosophy. it's like a creation or work of art to express yourself.

as long as you understand it's a faith.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

Better question yet, why shouldn't I be alive?


Hatred

You have been given life so you should be alive.. and why are you ending your post with "Hatred" hate is a very strong word and a very negative one.

 

[Dywyddyr]

living up to your words is very important and shows a mans true colours.

Quite:

Man I told you im not answering your question until you tell me what your philosophy on the universe and existence is.
Im refusing to answer you, like directly saying "No", Give me your philosophy or im not doing it.

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2728352&postcount=292

Still waiting...

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

You tell me.
Ever heard of Taqiyya or Kitman?

Yes I have, and why are you being wierd you know what point 3 means and you know it means your saying you wont lie to people. causing people grief in any way with your tongue what do you think lying is?

Look at the grief it just caused when i was lead to believe mecca is the center, so this guy did cause me grief of some sort with his tongue and so did the other people who have claimed it to be the center int he past to me.

So yes they broke point number 3 of the oath.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

that's the beauty of faith or a philosophy. it's like a creation or work of art to express yourself.

as long as you understand it's a faith.

Yeah I understand it's faith.

peace.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

Quite:

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2728352&postcount=292

Still waiting...

I told you im not answering you until you link me to your detailed explanation, don;'t tell me my understanding is bunk without offering me a equally good alternative.

I have not read your answer so im not giving you mine quit asking without providing me a link to your explanation fo the universe.


I wont tell you again because i have repeated myself like 4 times now.

 

[Dywyddyr]

Yes I have, and why are you being wierd you know what point 3 means and you know it means your saying you wont lie to people.

No, it doesn't.
Since under Taqiyya lying is allowed if one thinks it's in a good cause. Among other things.

causing people grief in any way with your tongue what do you think lying is?

Take a good look at that link.

Look at the grief it just caused when i was lead to believe mecca is the center, so this guy did cause me grief of some sort with his tongue and so did the other people who have claimed it to be the center int he past to me.
So yes they broke point number 3 of the oath.

And how many other lies have you been told "in a good cause"?

 

[Dywyddyr]

I told you im not answering you until you link me to your detailed explanation

I gave an explanation.

I have not read your answer so im not giving you mine quit asking without providing me a link to your explanation fo the universe.

Ah right. This is how you "keep your word". By not reading my posts.

So much for your true colours.
And I repeat: you made the claim. Support it.
It shouldn't be conditional on what I think.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

No, it doesn't.
Since under Taqiyya lying is allowed if one thinks it's in a good cause. Among other things.


Take a good look at that link.


And how many other lies have you been told "in a good cause"?

So how did this not cause me grief? how did it benefit islam to lie to me? it actualy was bad for islam because if i were somebody with weak imaan then i might have left islam becauseof that very reason.

What about a shakey new convert? if they found out all of that was a bunch of lies they might have actualy abandoned their deen and islam all together. So i don't see how lying to other muslims is a benefit to islam it's actualy the opposite.


Peace.