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Do atheists indocrinate their children into their belief system?
- Thread starter S.A.M.
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The relation of already depressed people and suicide based on religous affiliation..hmmmmm
This is not 'areligious practice', which you'll find occurs both within and outside of religious families, is condoned and commanded in various religious texts and so on, (indeed beating naughty sons, (to death), was quite the yahweh commandment). To quote Spider:
"Abuse not related to religion doesn't count as abuse as a result of atheistic practices. If this isn't intellectually dishonest, it's at least intellectually sloppy"
Not to mention that you find abuse absolutely rife in the more religious nations. To cite an example we can look at India with around 92% religiosity and, according to BBC News, apparently 2 out of every 3 children being abused. 53% reported one or more forms of sexual abuse.
From there you changed the subject to suicide for some bizarre reason.
You also failed to answer the second part of my question which I was actually more interested in seeing a response to. If you get the time, thanks.
Religious ideas like thinking God made the world for us to use leads to abuse of the Earth. Religious people tend to drive bigger cars, use up resources, and go for broke in many areas of life because they think God has it all under control. They are killing the ecosystem, which is the biggest act of suicide of all. There is an even bigger act of mass death in the plan, and it's called armegeddon.
Do you think its related to religion?
You don't think it relevant that athiests are more prone to suicide? I'd say that constitutes abuse. :shrug:
I'd say its abusive when it damages the child and affects their physical, emotional, mental and social health.
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So your saying apocalyptical theist teach their kids that it's alright to live like its the last days, because it is? Just **** everything, pray to Jesus and be raptured? Some times I wish it was true: I got these really noise mormen "rabits" next door with their 11 kids, if they could be raptured I could finally get some sleep on sunday mornings.
So, forget all the bad things that religion does, look at the good things? Louis Farrakhan's organization campaigns against gang violence, encourages higher education... Mother Teresa helped poor children, Hitler made the trains run on time... The USSR pioneered space travel...
Wait a minute has SAM show a studies showing atheist have higher rates of suicide? I mean come on!: your telling me all those homosexuals that are horribly depressed because of the preference conflicts with their religion, don't skew the demographics in atheist's favor?
I think it's related to many issues: poverty, the parents own upbringing, people in general, and yes in many cases religion itself.. If you spend some time reading up on serial killers you'll find it quite consistent that their parents, (typically mother), was devoutly religious and beat the child etc because of that religiosity and uwavering belief in wrathful style gods. It's become a quite apparent stereotype of fundie religious nuts where any girl that wears a skirt is a whore, masturbation is a sin and demands the child be beaten or cut or stoned and so on.
You would need to look at the why. At a time when a person is extremely vulnerable, (teenage years), viewing this universe as an uncaring, unsympathetic one can be deeply depressing. A feeling of disillusionment, lost in a world hard to keep up with. Parents they don't like, 'friends' that don't understand them - nobody to really turn to. god is a good comfort blanket, and it's 'free' too.
You'll notice that religious establishments prey specifically on the vulnerable. One of my old sentiments is that the lottery winner goes to the Bahamas, the man whose wife cheated goes to church and it certainly appears consistent, (indeed it's why you find the poorer, more diseased etc nations have much higher religiosity).
Suicide or attempted suicide is not in itself an indication of 'abuse'.
I suppose it's a question of whether you find anyone brought up focused on a specific faith and that faith alone is socially healthy. It's a rare case that you'll find a religious jew hanging around with religious christians and vice versa - I dare say that such upbringing segregates people, ultimately because of what their parents believed in and shoved upon them without ever asking if they wanted them to. To cite a case witnessed in Ireland, the catholics can't even get along with the protestants and they both share the same source.
Question is, do you think it would be better if a child was left to mingle and find out about a whole range of religious beliefs without parent imprinting? I say yes, what say you?
Who cares if you tell your children lies, as long as it makes them happy? Getting their hopes up with stories of Santa Clause and then pulling the rug out from under them couldn't have any lasting effect on their psyche, could it? Of course, you could replace that lie with the one about heaven, it's the same thing, designed to create good behavior.
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Is Indian religion like that?
Atheists don't have supportive family and friends?
Why the poor impulse control, greater aggression and substance abuse history?
If you look at the results of the study:
Poor coping mechanisms?
While the richer ones have structural adjustments and arms manufacturers? That prey on the umm, vulnerable?
So you're saying that is a particular religious group had a higher suicide rate, you'd just shrug it off?
Sorta like Englishmen who immigrate to Spain and hang out with the ...?
Is it possible?
Of course, that's horsepucky. Clearly, families withhold the truth about suicides due to Islam. As if you didn't know.
Any 'religion' can be like that. It comes down to personal intepretation and how fundie a believer you are. For instance caste killing. Religion can always be a motivation for killing and abuse, (indeed you even linked to a case several pages back). Yes, before I hear your protests, anyone can kill or abuse etc etc - the issue is merely that you used the term 'areligious abuse' with something not specifically areligious.
Ignorant question unworthy of response.
While we could suggest that the majority, (teens), will rebel at some stage against their parents, establishments and whatnot, they would undoubtedly be less inclined to do so if they had the fear that a big eye in the sky was watching them and would burn them post haste if they dared do it. Of course it merely requires some form of religious justification and you'll find the religious are no different than anyone else. Indeed a large majority of rasta's smoke ganja as 'religious medication'.
No parachute.
Certainly. Do note that "the richer ones" does include religious establishments. Dare I mention the Vatican?
It depends if they're drinking 7up or 'flavor aid' or not. In short one would need to look at whether they are killing themselves because of their religious beliefs or not. I've yet to really hear or someone killing themselves because they believed in atheism :bugeye:
Certainly. Shall I take your statement as agreement? It's hard to tell because it's not really an answer to anything.
Most certainly.
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Its hard to tell exactly what constitutes areligious. People calling themselves atheists, writing a 5-Step plan to wipe out God and enabling a group called militant athiests are apparently following a religion.
Thats what you said. They commit suicide because they lack support. Do you think theists get unqualified support from their parents, friends, community?
That still does not explain the poor impulse control, aggression and younger age for attempted suicide.
Or the G8?
So we should ignore the fact that younger suicidees are athiest because they did not say so.
I tend to hang around with people at work regardless of religion, so I'm not the right person to ask. At home, I hang around with friends and neighbors also regardless of religion.
I wondered how true this is in athiests. How many friends do you have across the spectrum?
Plus, just see the interactions on this forum. So few atheists here are friendly to thiests as thiests.
hmmm you certainly have strange definition of "Abuse",,religion maybe,
but atheism,hardly!
oh really
how do you suppose all those believers got brainwashed in the first place?
do you think a kid brought up atheist with the knowledge of evolutionary facts
and modern science would suddenly give up reason and start worshiping some Imaginary Deity?
not a fng chance,
and all the preachers know it,thats why they are fighting tooth and nail against Science and atheism and even Evolution and want to replace it with Cretinism,
all in order to keep people STUPID so they can Control and exploit them better.
then I guess you better watch your kids every second of the day,24/7
and be ready to answer every question they may have right then and there, since with so much religious proselytizing everywhere you turn,
their young impressionable minds have very good chance to get infected with what I like to call"the Virus of loony beliefs" especialy when they are told shyt like:
YOU"LL BURN IN HELL unless YOU BELIEVE!!!!
here,you could start explaining to your kids which god is real and why
that shouldnt take long
www.godchecker.com
yeah you may be onto something,are you referring to those Muslim suicide bombers?
on the other hand
if you knew Death is the End,would you be so anxious to commit suicide?
or would it make you appreciate this Only life so much more?
me thinks if everyone KNEW we only live Once,there would be no more wars and fighting and more love and peace