Did Nothing Create Everything?

SetiAlpha6 said:
They have been looking in the wrong place.
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And, you know that how exactly?

As I mentioned before, Saudi Arabia has just opened up their country for Tourism of the Mountain of God, the Split Rock, the Golden Calf Altar Site, the Blackened Peak of the Mountain of God, the Altar of Moses, the Cave of Elijah at the Mountain, the Caves of Jethro in Midian, the Oasis at Elim, the numerous Petroglyphs left by the Hebrews in the area, and the Gravesite from the events that occurred at the Mountain. All of it is just sitting out there.

All of these Sites in Saudi Arabia match the Exodus Account in the Bible perfectly.
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Perfectly? Lol. And, you know that how exactly? And, all the other scholars in the world don't know that?

Here are a few links on the topic...

https://www.foxnews.com/world/saudi-arabia-christian-tour
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Fox news? Lol

https://livingpassages.com/christian-tours/saudi-arabia/
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https://doubtingthomasresearch.com/

http://realmountsinai.com/explore

https://splitrockresearch.org/
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Those are non-science, religiously biased sites. Why would anyone give them any credibility?

The Google Earth Coordinates for the Altar of Moses at The Mountain of God are...
Latitude: 28°35'5.22"N
Longitude: 35°22'43.48"E

Just copy and past the following coordinates...
28°35'5.22"N, 35°22'43.48"E
into the Search Bar in Google Earth and hit enter.

In the left hand panel, at the very bottom under "Layers" check the "Terrain" box to turn on 3-D Terrain. If you want, you can also check the "Google Earth Community" box as well. Oh and maybe also check the "Photos" box.

Zoom out and take a look around, if you wish!

The Golden Calf Altar Site is at...
28°34'53.05"N, 35°23'46.42"E

The Blackened Peak from the Presence of God is at...
28°35'0.91"N, 35°20'55.47"E

The Split Rock is at...
28°43'35.75"N, 35°14'10.53"E

A possible location for the Burning Bush is...
28°37'3.22"N, 35°19'41.80"E

The Caves of Jethro in Midian are at...
28°29'17.60"N, 34°59'59.09"E

The Well of Moses is at...
28°29'8.01"N, 35° 1'7.12"E

I have on the ground photos of most of it.
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That's fine, but they show no evidence. They're just places on the Earth.
 
SetiAlpha6 said:
They have been looking in the wrong place.
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(Q) said:
And, you know that how exactly?



Perfectly? Lol. And, you know that how exactly? And, all the other scholars in the world don't know that?



Fox news? Lol



Those are non-science, religiously biased sites. Why would anyone give them any credibility?



That's fine, but they show no evidence. They're just places on the Earth.
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Ok, no problem! You can certainly pretend that none of it exists if you would like to. That seems to be the main approach for most folks here. Just stay with the herd.
 
(Q) said:
How could anyone possibly disagree. Oh wait, scholars don't disagree, it is only those who know nothing of Egyptian history and literature that do.

Btw, the conclusion was drawn by scholars, folks far more educated than you or I on the subject.
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Yes, they are certainly educated more than I am.
Scholars do disagree about almost everything you can think of on the topic.
 
paddoboy said:
Science is not about proof.
The evidence for the evolution of spacetime is supported by much evidence, so much so, that the Catholic church recognises the BB model along with the evolution of life.
The second point that I mentioned previously is how we should define nothing. Perhaps the closest we can get to nothing is the quantum foam the BB arose/evolved from.
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I don’t know, and I mean that!

This stuff is probably beyond me.

But, how do we prove that Quantum Foam ever existed?

Thank You!
 
SetiAlpha6 said:
I don’t know, and I mean that!

This stuff is probably beyond me.

But, how do we prove that Quantum Foam ever existed?

Thank You!
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We can't and don't. As I said this is still speculative science and before that first planck instant of time at t+10-43 seconds and at the quantum/Planck level/era that we can only as yet speculate on. Of course while the Catholic church recognises the BB, they also understand that it does not go back to the exact instant, and they [speculatively of course] put that down to the work of God or whatever.
 
SetiAlpha6 said:
Ok, no problem! You can certainly pretend that none of it exists if you would like to. That seems to be the main approach for most folks here. Just stay with the herd.
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Yeah, I and every other scholar who understands Egyptian history and literature are pretending. Good one. I understand those places exist, but just because they exist isn't evidence of the Exodus.
 
SetiAlpha6 said:
Yes, they are certainly educated more than I am.
Scholars do disagree about almost everything you can think of on the topic.
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The important thing is that they disagree with you, that they know far more than you, that they understand Egyptian history and literature far better than you. It's no different than if you were saying the Earth was flat and you have plenty of evidence.
 
(Q) said:
Yeah, I and every other scholar who understands Egyptian history and literature are pretending. Good one. I understand those places exist, but just because they exist isn't evidence of the Exodus.
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Ok, great! Since you already know about them.
That should mean that I can ask you questions about the specific Sites to get your own opinion on specific details.

Do you mind if I do that?
 
SetiAlpha6 said:
Ok, great! Since you already know about them.
That should mean that I can ask you questions about the specific Sites to get your own opinion on specific details.

Do you mind if I do that?
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Sure, go right ahead.
 
SetiAlpha6 said:
Probably not the strongest case ever...
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Indeed, your standard of evidence is very low.
... but nothing would have stopped them from joining the group to escape the slavery they were all living under.
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Who knew how the pharaoh would react? Remember that he did send his army to bring the Hebrews back. It would have been quite a gamble for any non-Hebrew slaves to pretend to be Hebrews.
 
SetiAlpha6 said:
OK, thanks.
There might be hints of multi-ethnic slaves in the Exodus from Egypt, in the Bible, and that is certainly possible, but may not be provable.
In the Exodus Account some of the people worshipped other Gods and had a difficult time worshipping the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
This could indicate that some of them were from other ethnic backgrounds.
Probably not the strongest case ever, but nothing would have stopped them from joining the group to escape the slavery they were all living under.
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You can believe whatever you like, of course. But by the standards you just used, it would be simple to prove that the Harry Potter series was real. (After all, London exists - and so do owls!)
 
sideshowbob said:
Indeed, your standard of evidence is very low.

Who knew how the pharaoh would react? Remember that he did send his army to bring the Hebrews back. It would have been quite a gamble for any non-Hebrew slaves to pretend to be Hebrews.
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Right, they had no way of knowing Pharaoh would pursue them, so they had no reason not to leave along with the Israelites.

There were different classes of workers/slaves.

Some probably enjoyed their lives in Egypt very much and did not want to leave.

But if they were beaten, abused, degraded, and stripped of all humanity, why would they stay and continue to be treated like dogs, when an opportunity came up to be set free?

I would leave if I were them!
 
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SetiAlpha6 said:
Check out...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_in_biblical_archaeology

if you are interested.
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I did. That is a list of accounts of historical events that are also mentioned in the Bible.

Let's look at Harry Potter.

Harry Potter's owl is named Hedwig. Made up name? Definitely not! St. Hedwig was a woman who devoted her life to the protection of the poor orphans and widows - just like Harry Potter! If you don't believe me, check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedwig_of_Silesia. See, there is proof that Harry Potter is true.

Harry Potter's Patronus is a deer. Plain old fiction? Again, no. Deer are an essential part of Celtic mythology. They represent purity, and the appearance of a deer represents the beginning of a quest - which Harry Potter was definitely on. More proof that Harry Potter is true.

If you want to, check out https://www.thethings.com/15-historical-references-harry-potter-fans-probably-missed/. It's a list of historical events and people that are also mentioned in the Harry Potter series.
 
SetiAlpha6 said:
Right, they had no way of knowing Pharaoh would pursue them, so they had no reason not to leave along with the Israelites.
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As I already mentioned, the Bible says no such thing. You can make up any kind of nonsense you want but it doesn't support the Bible at all.
 
SetiAlpha6 said:
Check out...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_in_biblical_archaeology

if you are interested.

Just found this article...

https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain...s-reveal-history-behind-biblical-david-761720

Not yet sure if it is reliable or not?

Thanks!
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Yes, thank you for that source, have a look at what it says...

Ipuwer Papyrus – poem describing Egypt as afflicted by natural disasters and in a state of chaos. The document is dated to around 1250 BCE[22] but the content is thought to be earlier, dated back to the Middle Kingdom, though no earlier than the late Twelfth Dynasty.[23] Once thought to describe the biblical Exodus, it is now considered the world's earliest known treatise on political ethics, suggesting that a good king is one who controls unjust officials, thus carrying out the will of the gods.
 
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