People generally seem to be failing to evaluate opinions in their own context. For example:
"attempting to claim that judging others for having differing views isn't condemning someone for who they are"
This seems to assume that behavior cannot be distinguished from identity. This is a reductionist view, in which the whole (identity) is thought to be entirely accounted for by the parts (behaviors). The failure here is that the person (apparently conservative, for lack of a better label) likely does not share such a view. Where the reductionist is likely to assume any comment about behavior is equally about identity, the holist is capable of seeing the behaviors as separate from the irreducible identity.
This seems to be the sole basis on which the reductionist condemns the criticism of behavior as a demonizing of the individual. It is simply a false assumption that their own reductionist context has any real bearing on the holistic opinion. We might surmise that this is an inability to fathom philosophically opposing context or that people are actively "playing dumb" as justification for hyperbolic rhetoric.
So you would claim a behavior is not an intrinsic part of a persons identity then?
So you would claim a behavior is not an intrinsic part of a persons identity then?
It's a little more complex than that, even if we only limit our view to the Bible......Marriage has always been understood as a union between male and female....
The context of such opinions is typically in the vein of behavior which the person does not consider intrinsic. Keep in mind that those who espouse dualism (which is fairly central to the Christianity you claim) would generally consider all strictly biological behavior as extrinsic to the identity (ever remember reading anything about "sinful flesh"?).
Labels are not identities. Labels are, at best, descriptions, approximations and/or caricatures of identities. To say that I am an artist is a description of what I do, not who I am. Behavior is what you do, while identity is who you are. Now if you are a reductionist, you consider who you are to be reducible to what you are composed of (what you are), as a physical organism and perhaps believe that behavior is largely a matter of stimulus/response mechanisms.
Non-conformist!
Non-conformist!
Non-conformist!
Non-conformist!
Non-conformist!!
Non-conformist!!!
NON-CONFORMIST!!!!
Wow..You hang around in a science forum and you don't even know THIS?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...esearchers-claim-controversial-new-study.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...s-inherited-through-mens-mothers-1485079.html
No..that ISN'T how it's seen.The majority now views homosexuality as totally morally acceptable.
So I'm not allowed to have and express an opinion on it?
??You are expressing an opinion on it.
You are free to do so. You can denigrate blacks, gays, women etc. However, you will then (rightly) be labeled a racist, homophobe and/or misogynist. If you don't like that, then your two options are:
1) Stop being racist, homophobic or misogynistic
2) Deal with the fact that other people recognize that in you
No, you are homophobic because you compare gays to dogs.
spidergoat,
It's a little more complex than that, even if we only limit our view to the Bible...
1. Polygynous Marriage
Probably the most common form of marriage in the bible, it is where a man has more than one wife.
2. Levirate Marriage
When a woman was widowed without a son, it became the responsibility of the brother-in-law or a close male relative to take her in and impregnate her. If the resulting child was a son, he would be considered the heir of her late husband. See Ruth, and the story of Onan (Gen. 38:6-10).
3. A man, a woman and her property — a female slave
The famous “handmaiden” sketch, as preformed by Abraham (Gen. 16:1-6) and Jacob (Gen. 30:4-5).
4. A man, one or more wives, and some concubines
The definition of a concubine varies from culture to culture, but they tended to be live-in mistresses. Concubines were tied to their “husband,” but had a lower status than a wife. Their children were not usually heirs, so they were safe outlets for sex without risking the line of succession. To see how badly a concubine could be treated, see the famous story of the Levite and his concubine (Judges 19:1-30).
5. A male soldier and a female prisoner of war
Women could be taken as booty from a successful campaign and forced to become wives or concubines. Deuteronomy 21:11-14 describes the process.
6. A male rapist and his victim
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 describes how an unmarried woman who had been raped must marry her attacker.
7. A male and female slave
A female slave could be married to a male slave without consent, presumably to produce more slaves.
and of course …
8. Monogamous, heterosexual marriage
What you might think of as the standard form of marriage, provided you think of arranged marriages as the standard. Also remember that inter-faith or cross-ethnic marriage were forbidden for large chunks of biblical history.
The context of such opinions is typically in the vein of behavior which the person does not consider intrinsic. Keep in mind that those who espouse dualism (which is fairly central to the Christianity you claim) would generally consider all strictly biological behavior as extrinsic to the identity (ever remember reading anything about "sinful flesh"?).
Labels are not identities. Labels are, at best, descriptions, approximations and/or caricatures of identities. To say that I am an artist is a description of what I do, not who I am. Behavior is what you do, while identity is who you are. Now if you are a reductionist, you consider who you are to be reducible to what you are composed of (what you are), as a physical organism and perhaps believe that behavior is largely a matter of stimulus/response mechanisms.
I don't think it's complex at all.
Two questions. Are all these marriages between man and woman (en), male and female?
Do you see any same sex marriage in this list?
jan.
(Q),
So I'm not allowed to have and express an opinion on it?
Being concerned about what people do, or even expressing concern isn't the same as ''having a say'' in what other people do (unless one expresses it for public consumption).
You are very vocal about religious people, and quite often express your dislike, why is it okay for you to do that, and not okay for me to express things I don't agree with or even dislike?
So I'm homophobic because you say so? You're going to have to do better than that.
jan.
I'll take that as you can't find any.
jan.
Then why is it any of your business what I do and say?
jan.
I'll take that as you can't find any.
jan.
I'll take that as you can't find any.
jan.
BTW, you of all people here are one of the few who don't have the right to ask for peer reviewed papers in science especially when you are incapable of providing that yourself for any of your beliefs and claims.
So why is Jessica Dutro being sent to jail?According to the Bible it is a sexual perversion. Am I correct?
So if ''sexual perversion'' is mentioned in it's pages, do you think it's possible it would include homosexuality?
jan.
A 25-YEAR-OLD mother has been found guilty of murdering her 4-year-old son because she believed he was gay.
The Oregon jury took a little more than an hour to reach its verdict Wednesday in the trial of Jessica Dutro. Sentencing was set for April 18.
The Oregonian reports that Zachary Dutro-Boggess died on August 16, 2012, of intestinal tears caused by abdominal trauma. He collapsed at the homeless shelter where his family was living southwest of Portland at which point Dutro called 911. His birthday was just a day earlier.
Zachary died two days after the beating.
In a Facebook message to her boyfriend, Brian Canady, Dutro said the boy was going to be gay and it made her angry.