DaveC426913
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Good. Saying hello or saying 'You're beautiful' falls outside street harrassment and sexual harrassment.Any laws about street harassment and sexual harassment targets the abusers, Dave. Not everybody.
Good. Saying hello or saying 'You're beautiful' falls outside street harrassment and sexual harrassment.Any laws about street harassment and sexual harassment targets the abusers, Dave. Not everybody.
Godot said:Did I misinterpret their exchange?
I'll ask again. Is it impolite to politely compliment a stranger on their appearance?
That would be the question. Care to have a go at the objective version?From their definitions.
DaveC said:You know something Bells, we've been addressing a lot of things in this thread. It's 638 posts long, with who knows how many participants. It's meandered across quite a few subdiscussions.
This thread is not owned by you or by anyone else. You don't get to call the shots, and you don't get to bully anyone else into silence.
If I want to discuss an aspect of male-female interaction (which is well within scope of the thread title) other than sexual harrassment with B/S and Godot, then I'll do that.
Now that will be entirely enough of that.
That is essentially what you said and implied, Dave.No.
I don't know why opponents keep having to put words in mouths to make their case.
Ah, it all makes so much sense now..You know something Bells, we've been addressing a lot of things in this thread. It's 638 posts long, with who knows how many participants. It's meandered across quite a few subdiscussions.
This thread is not owned by you or by anyone else. You don't get to call the shots, and you don't get to bully anyone else into silence.
Then start a thread about 'an aspect of male-female interaction'.If I want to discuss an aspect of male-female interaction (which is well within scope of the thread title) other than sexual harrassment with B/S and Godot, then I'll do that.
Good. Saying hello or saying 'You're beautiful' falls outside street harrassment and sexual harrassment.
Depends. Has she been flirting with you across the bar?godot said:I'll ask again. Is it impolite to politely compliment a stranger on their appearance?
You seem puzzled by the "implied threat" part of that. I refer you to the extended descriptions of real life by others here, if you are unaware of the threats faced by any woman in - say - the US, during an encounter with a male stranger who has imposed his attentions on her uninvited and inconveniently.For one: When you are interrupting them and forcing them to pay attention to you via implied threat, in pursuit of your own agenda.
Tautologically, obviously not. You can't be both polite and impolite at the same time. If you're harassing somebody, you're not being polite, and if you're being polite then you're not harassing.Godot said:Is it impolite to politely compliment a stranger on their appearance?
Good. Saying hello or saying 'You're beautiful' falls outside street harrassment and sexual harrassment.
He's wrong. It's easy and common to harass women with such greetings and commentary.bowser said:"Good. Saying hello or saying 'You're beautiful' falls outside street harrassment and sexual harrassment."
I agree with you on this point.
I don't see that as being harassment. But Bells and I traveled this road earlier and couldn't agree. I see it no more intrusive than is any other compliment.He's wrong. It's easy and common to harass women with such greetings and commentary.
Tiassa said:Yes. It is invasive.
Tiassa said:According to whom?
Randwolf said:That would be the question. Care to have a go at the objective version?
iceaura said:For one: When you are interrupting them and forcing them to pay attention to you via implied threat, in pursuit of your own agenda.
James R said:Then again, it could be that my definition of "polite" encompasses things that yours does not. Maybe you think "polite" only refers to one's manner of speech, for example, and not to one's intentions, general demeanor, physical behaviour and the like.
Bells said:What gives you the right to accost a stranger on the street, who is going about her daily life, to stop her thoughts and what she is doing, to give her your opinion of how she looks, Dave? What makes your opinion of how she looks, more valid than her right to walk down the street without being accosted by you?
Nobody has done this. But you did retreat to the absurd position that no restriction on free speech is acceptable. Either you think that we should allow slander, libel, and yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, or you think that there should be some restrictions on speech acts, just not ones that protect women.No.
I don't know why opponents keep having to put words in mouths to make their case.
Well, that is what the word means in its most basic definition. It can also mean to approach someone and sexually solicit them, generally it is a manner of approaching someone in a way that the recipient of the approach deems unfriendly and unwanted. As such, street harassment falls under any definition of the word accost. Hence it's usage in this thread.By 'accost', do mean in an angry, aggressive, or unwanted way?
Yeah. I knew that would get you to whip on your mod hat.You will respect the topic at hand, or you will sit out the rest of the discussion.
Well, that is what the word means in its most basic definition. It can also mean to approach someone and sexually solicit them, generally it is a manner of approaching someone in a way that the recipient of the approach deems unfriendly and unwanted. As such, street harassment falls under any definition of the word accost. Hence it's usage in this thread.
So you trolled to try and get a reaction?Yeah. I knew that would get you to whip on your mod hat.
Mods can troll as much as they want. They can call other people trolls as much as they want, ignore reports, and generally be horribly disrespectful and bullying, all in the name of furthering their own monologue - about respect and not being silenced.
Any dissenting actual contribution though, and suddenly they whip on their hat and disallow it.
This is not a discussion; it is a Mod-controlled soapbox.
I'm out.
I'm way out.
Silence me.
Nope.Are you suggesting that men should never approach or speak to unknown females?
When do you think, Godot?When, if ever, is it appropriate to compliment a woman on her appearance?
Because you are not approaching them in a manner that objectifies them.
Bowser said:I don't see that as being harassment. But Bells and I traveled this road earlier and couldn't agree. I see it no more intrusive than is any other compliment.
Of course not. I typed the words you quoted, and not those others you suggested for some reason, on purpose.godot said:"For one: When you are interrupting them and forcing them to pay attention to you via implied threat, in pursuit of your own agenda."
Are you suggesting that any interruption is considered harassment or that it depends solely on your intent?